kskate2 said:Instead of fining him, they should make him sit (unpaid) a few games too.
I'm watching Heat/Knicks on TNT. Guess what? Even after his 50,000 fine, they are sitting J.R. :clap
kskate2 said:Instead of fining him, they should make him sit (unpaid) a few games too.
DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
At the end of the year before he tore his Achilles his level was outstanding. His games against New Orleans, Golden State, and Portland were brilliant.
47 at Portland on the second night of a back-to-back, when everyone says it's much tougher for your body to respond once you're in your mid-30s?
That is awesome. Give Kobe (aka "Vino") some props.
DarthFed said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
At the end of the year before he tore his Achilles his level was outstanding. His games against New Orleans, Golden State, and Portland were brilliant.
47 at Portland on the second night of a back-to-back, when everyone says it's much tougher for your body to respond once you're in your mid-30s?
That is awesome. Give Kobe (aka "Vino") some props.
Kobe did play great last year, but Lebron has been far and away the best player in the NBA for 5 years now. Kobe hasn't even been the 2nd best player for many of those years.
calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
At the end of the year before he tore his Achilles his level was outstanding. His games against New Orleans, Golden State, and Portland were brilliant.
47 at Portland on the second night of a back-to-back, when everyone says it's much tougher for your body to respond once you're in your mid-30s?
That is awesome. Give Kobe (aka "Vino") some props.
Kobe did play great last year, but Lebron has been far and away the best player in the NBA for 5 years now. Kobe hasn't even been the 2nd best player for many of those years.
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for large portions of the season - how can you deny this? Overall LeBron was the best player, if you're just going by the numbers. But if you actually just watched the games and didn't go strictly by the numbers, you could see that Kobe was actually better than Durant for much of last season. I am not going to give LeBron automatic props for how the modern NBA game makes it a piece of cake for him to walk out and get 25, 8, and 8 by just showing up for work. The pace of the NBA game is slow and structured, and it favors LeBron's largely mild style of play where he can just work the ball around, get a few fast breaks, hit 2 or 3 jumpers, and then drive when he wants and get an automatic foul call. If you think this is somehow better than what Kobe did at the end of last season, please go ahead and explain yourself.
But make no mistake - if Kobe hadn't hurt the Achilles, he probably would have taken the Lakers to the Finals with the West being wide open as it was, and there he would have given LeBron all he could handle. He is much more of a Jordan-esque competitor than LeBron is. LeBron's performance against San Antonio was largely laughable, and he is lucky that Leonard missed that free throw.
I like LeBron's game and I feel bad for him that he is on such an awful, talent-depleted team that depends on him and knee-impaired Dwayne Wade almost entirely, but let's not act like he has been far and away the best player just because the structure of the NBA game and his teammates' futility pad his stats.
calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
LeBron is an excellent basketball player. I have almost always defended him against his critics. And like I said, I feel bad for him that he has never been part of an actual team at the NBA level. That said, it is kind of difficult to absolve him for his performance against the Spurs last year, when he severely underperformed until the lame duck Game 7 that was a fait accompli.
That said, that was not the issue. What I said was that for significant portions of last season (such as the end of the season), Kobe was the best player in the NBA. I stand by that. LeBron deserved the MVP but there were times when Kobe was better. That's all I was saying.
As for JR Smith, he is the most talented player in the NBA if allowed to play at a free-flowing pace. His coaches in NY have brainwashed him into thinking that it is better to catch and hold the ball, instead of just catching and shooting. This has resulted in him being too hesitant and therefore very uncomfortable, hence the ugly field goal percentage this season.
calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
LeBron is an excellent basketball player. I have almost always defended him against his critics. And like I said, I feel bad for him that he has never been part of an actual team at the NBA level. That said, it is kind of difficult to absolve him for his performance against the Spurs last year, when he severely underperformed until the lame duck Game 7 that was a fait accompli.
That said, that was not the issue. What I said was that for significant portions of last season (such as the end of the season), Kobe was the best player in the NBA. I stand by that. LeBron deserved the MVP but there were times when Kobe was better. That's all I was saying.
As for JR Smith, he is the most talented player in the NBA if allowed to play at a free-flowing pace. His coaches in NY have brainwashed him into thinking that it is better to catch and hold the ball, instead of just catching and shooting. This has resulted in him being too hesitant and therefore very uncomfortable, hence the ugly field goal percentage this season.
DarthFed said:Lebron averaged 25, 11 and 6 in the Finals last year. Hardly a disaster especially with pretty much no help.
DarthFed said:And so your point is that Kobe deserves credit because he played like the best player in the world multiple games last year. That's all well and good, does that mean we give a % of best player out.
DarthFed said:J.R. Smith is nothing bro, the last thing I'd call him is hesitant.
DarthFed said:Do you not notice him jacking up tons of shots at a low %?
DarthFed said:He has shot a low % his entire career.
DarthFed said:If Melo wasn't there to hog up even more shots it'd be ridiculous.
Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:DarthFed said:A big part of what sticks out when I think of MJ is the fact that he was still the best basketball player in the world at age 35. For any very physical sport (yes I'm excluding golf here) it is pretty incredible for the best player in the world to be 35 years old. NFL QB's are also a grey area as they don't necessarily have to be even decently athletic to be a great QB (case in point Peyton Manning). I don't think we will see that in basketball again, even from Lebron or any future mutants of the game. Again tough to compare it to tennis but you aren't going to see 35 year old men rule the sport any time soon. That's the skill together with the will of MJ...
Kobe was the best player in the NBA last year for significant portions of the season, at age 34.
This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:This is more outrageous than anything you ever said about tennis. Congrats, you've outdone yourself.
Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
LeBron is an excellent basketball player. I have almost always defended him against his critics. And like I said, I feel bad for him that he has never been part of an actual team at the NBA level. That said, it is kind of difficult to absolve him for his performance against the Spurs last year, when he severely underperformed until the lame duck Game 7 that was a fait accompli.
That said, that was not the issue. What I said was that for significant portions of last season (such as the end of the season), Kobe was the best player in the NBA. I stand by that. LeBron deserved the MVP but there were times when Kobe was better. That's all I was saying.
As for JR Smith, he is the most talented player in the NBA if allowed to play at a free-flowing pace. His coaches in NY have brainwashed him into thinking that it is better to catch and hold the ball, instead of just catching and shooting. This has resulted in him being too hesitant and therefore very uncomfortable, hence the ugly field goal percentage this season.
It's an 82 match season + post season. So yeah, Lebron won't look like the best player in the world in each and every match.
calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Broken_Shoelace said:calitennis127 said:Well, you know nothing about basketball in that case. Nothing needs said.
Yup, I know nothing about Basketball if I think Lebron James has been the best player in the world, by a country mile, for a few years now.
PS: This is coming from a guy who thinks JR Smith is the most talented player in the world and the NBA coaches conspire to make Chris Paul look good. Okay Cali. Okay.
LeBron is an excellent basketball player. I have almost always defended him against his critics. And like I said, I feel bad for him that he has never been part of an actual team at the NBA level. That said, it is kind of difficult to absolve him for his performance against the Spurs last year, when he severely underperformed until the lame duck Game 7 that was a fait accompli.
That said, that was not the issue. What I said was that for significant portions of last season (such as the end of the season), Kobe was the best player in the NBA. I stand by that. LeBron deserved the MVP but there were times when Kobe was better. That's all I was saying.
As for JR Smith, he is the most talented player in the NBA if allowed to play at a free-flowing pace. His coaches in NY have brainwashed him into thinking that it is better to catch and hold the ball, instead of just catching and shooting. This has resulted in him being too hesitant and therefore very uncomfortable, hence the ugly field goal percentage this season.
It's an 82 match season + post season. So yeah, Lebron won't look like the best player in the world in each and every match.
Brother Broken, I am only telling you this because I know you can take it, and I also know you'd be the first to poke fun at someone if they made a mistake like this and you saw it.
Basketball contests are referred to as "games", not "matches". What you just said sounds as awkward as saying "It's a 10-month season with about 100 games for the Top 4. So yeah, Federer (or Nadal, or Djokovic) won't look like the best player in each and every game". In that case, you'd obviously be referring to matches.
But it's no biggie. Sometimes you just have to inform a Canadian, eh?
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