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Remilekun Jibade said:
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What majority proclaimed such lie besides the same group of haters circle jerking among themselves?
Serena was tested at all the GS in 2014. Here is the list of players and the number of tests done in 2014: http://www.itftennis.com/media/199333/199333.pdf Serena was tested in-competition at each of the GS (4) and randomly at (2) other events, and then was tested 7 more times out of competition. You can still continue to believe your lie though.


I still could not wade through your dumb logic. Sorry.

But that panic room thing again? Really? :laydownlaughing

As a matter of fact do you have any reputable news source of Serena Williams hiding in any panic room other than the slanderous and rumor mongering TMZ story that got circulated through the blogs. TMZ started a rumor and dense people like you ran away with it. :lolz:


LOL at providing the testing results. I've seen those already and please tell me where it says she was tested for that dizzy episode at Wimbledon? It doesn't say where the tests were performed, genius. Those 4-6 in competition could have been at mickey mouse tournaments for all anyone knows.

Insanity :eyepop For all anyone knows there could be multiple Serenas. :lolz:


But seriously where does it says players should be tested just because they are dizzy on court? Was Shuai Peng tested after she collapsed on court at the USO in 2014? Also isn't PED supposed to make you energetic and active instead of fatigued and unable to play? Please tell us what you think happened because the tournament doctor that diagnosed viral illness was clearly lying according to you?

Once again, this is not all about Serena Williams so of course Peng should have been tested. The reason for this recent trend of cramping and collapsing from these supposedly fit athletes is they are using diuretics to mask PEDs. The diuretics cause them to urinate out the PEDs but the result of your body being drained of water is then dehydration which leads to cramping. The authorities are too dumb to realize this and put it down to poor fitness or humidity :cover Edited to say of course not all cramping is down to PEDs, but certainly a lot is and needs to be investigated.
 

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In his 10-year tenure over the program, Mr. Miller said that a case involving Ms. Mattek-Sands — the American tennis player whose files were published on Wednesday — was the only one WADA had overturned.

Her application for drugs to treat “adrenal insufficiency” — hydrocortisone and DHEA — was approved in 2013 by the tennis federation but revoked in 2014 by WADA, which believed DHEA would enhance her performance.

Stuart Miller, director of the International Tennis Federation’s antidoping program, approved Ms. Mattek-Sands’s applications for exemptions. He said that of the hundreds of applications he had approved in his 10-year tenure at the federation, hers were the only ones overruled by WADA.


Dr. Rogol said DHEA, a precursor of testosterone, should never be approved for use by a female athlete.

“It’s going to be turned, likely, into relatively small doses of testosterone, which of course for a woman, even small doses are performance enhancing,” Dr. Rogol said. “Women’s testosterone levels are normally perhaps a tenth of men’s, so if you boost them up to a fifth or a fourth of men’s, there likely will be an advantage.”

Dr. Rogol called the Court of Arbitration’s expert “spot on” in his reasons for ultimately ruling against Ms. Mattek-Sands.

I think it tells you that tennis is a little bit more insular,” he said of the federation’s initial approval.

Read full article at NY times .

Also, BMS's doctor is one Dr. Serrano who has openly admitted to working with thousands of steroids using atheletes. :cover

The court’s decision against Ms. Mattek-Sands included footnotes expressing its surprise at what it called an The boy crazier than I thought. Stuart miller approves exemption in 2013 for BMS for DHEA (testosterone), it gets overturned by WADA in July 2014 and Stuart Miller approves it again in August 2014 and that too for the same player :lolz: Again WADA overturned it.
 

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so Azarenka when she collapsed was on something...or Jankovic when she was playing every event without tiring...criss crossing the globe without sweating...must have been on something according to some folks on this forum..
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
In his 10-year tenure over the program, Mr. Miller said that a case involving Ms. Mattek-Sands — the American tennis player whose files were published on Wednesday — was the only one WADA had overturned.

Her application for drugs to treat “adrenal insufficiency” — hydrocortisone and DHEA — was approved in 2013 by the tennis federation but revoked in 2014 by WADA, which believed DHEA would enhance her performance.

Stuart Miller, director of the International Tennis Federation’s antidoping program, approved Ms. Mattek-Sands’s applications for exemptions. He said that of the hundreds of applications he had approved in his 10-year tenure at the federation, hers were the only ones overruled by WADA.


Dr. Rogol said DHEA, a precursor of testosterone, should never be approved for use by a female athlete.

“It’s going to be turned, likely, into relatively small doses of testosterone, which of course for a woman, even small doses are performance enhancing,” Dr. Rogol said. “Women’s testosterone levels are normally perhaps a tenth of men’s, so if you boost them up to a fifth or a fourth of men’s, there likely will be an advantage.”

Dr. Rogol called the Court of Arbitration’s expert “spot on” in his reasons for ultimately ruling against Ms. Mattek-Sands.

I think it tells you that tennis is a little bit more insular,” he said of the federation’s initial approval.

Read full article at NY times .

Also, BMS's doctor is one Dr. Serrano who has openly admitted to working with thousands of steroids using atheletes. :cover

The court’s decision against Ms. Mattek-Sands included footnotes expressing its surprise at what it called an The boy crazier than I thought. Stuart miller approves exemption in 2013 for BMS for DHEA (testosterone), it gets overturned by WADA in July 2014 and Stuart Miller approves it again in August 2014 and that too for the same player :lolz: Again WADA overturned it.

Now this is more like it. Rothenberg is useful for a change. We need more write ups like this that examine specific medical exemption instead of the mud in the wind slander going on.
 

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Remilekun Jibade said:
GameSetAndMath said:
In his 10-year tenure over the program, Mr. Miller said that a case involving Ms. Mattek-Sands — the American tennis player whose files were published on Wednesday — was the only one WADA had overturned.

Her application for drugs to treat “adrenal insufficiency” — hydrocortisone and DHEA — was approved in 2013 by the tennis federation but revoked in 2014 by WADA, which believed DHEA would enhance her performance.

Stuart Miller, director of the International Tennis Federation’s antidoping program, approved Ms. Mattek-Sands’s applications for exemptions. He said that of the hundreds of applications he had approved in his 10-year tenure at the federation, hers were the only ones overruled by WADA.


Dr. Rogol said DHEA, a precursor of testosterone, should never be approved for use by a female athlete.

“It’s going to be turned, likely, into relatively small doses of testosterone, which of course for a woman, even small doses are performance enhancing,” Dr. Rogol said. “Women’s testosterone levels are normally perhaps a tenth of men’s, so if you boost them up to a fifth or a fourth of men’s, there likely will be an advantage.”

Dr. Rogol called the Court of Arbitration’s expert “spot on” in his reasons for ultimately ruling against Ms. Mattek-Sands.

I think it tells you that tennis is a little bit more insular,” he said of the federation’s initial approval.

Read full article at NY times .

Also, BMS's doctor is one Dr. Serrano who has openly admitted to working with thousands of steroids using atheletes. :cover

The court’s decision against Ms. Mattek-Sands included footnotes expressing its surprise at what it called an The boy crazier than I thought. Stuart miller approves exemption in 2013 for BMS for DHEA (testosterone), it gets overturned by WADA in July 2014 and Stuart Miller approves it again in August 2014 and that too for the same player :lolz: Again WADA overturned it.

Now this is more like it. Rothenberg is useful for a change. We need more write ups like this that examine specific medical exemption instead of the mud in the wind slander going on.

Stuart Miller approved DHEA for BMS in 2013. Later in July 2014 the approval was revoked by WADA. In August 2014, Stuart Miller approves DHEA again and that too for the same player. What does this tell you about the integrity of Stuart Miller? This Stuart Miller is the same person whose signature you see on Serena's form too.
 

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no one cares about internet quarterbacks....most of them are idiots
 

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Stuart Miller approved DHEA for BMS in 2013. Later in July 2014 the approval was revoked by WADA. In August 2014, Stuart Miller approves DHEA again and that too for the same player. What does this tell you about the integrity of Stuart Miller? This Stuart Miller is the same person whose signature you see on Serena's form too.

Yup, Serena and Stuart Miller are in cohort. They run ITF and WADA and all of sport together. :reel:

Did you even read the article you posted? The process works. TUE applications are indeed looked into by competent experts at multiple levels. Yes, Miller of ITF approved Mattek-Sands application, which was judged to be in good faith by the way, but WADA's TUE committee, comprised of 3 anonymous experts (meaning more heads) rejected it. That doesn't mean Miller is incompetent or has no integrity (according to him that was his WADA's only rejection), it just means in this particular case he didn't have the full expertise on DHEA that the WADA and CAS committees had that allowed them to denied the application accordingly. That's exactly how the system should function.

I know you think that tennis and all of sport has been corrupted by Serena Williams since 1999 but you should at least give these experts some benefit of doubt in how they carry out their work.
 

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So we are of the opinion WADA would throw golden girl Sharapova to the sharks, but a lot of the tennis establishment has been chomping at the bit to throw Serena under the bus, and they wouldn't do that? If WADA had a problem with anything an athlete presents in the TUE process they can reject it. Clearly, they didn't have a problem with most of what was presented to them. The only one I take issue with where Serena is concerned is during the French Open 2015. Most of hers appear to be when she was either injured or when the tour was on break from what I could see.
 

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And Serena's TUE at the French Open last year actually only affected the final match. It was effective from June 5 to June 10. The FO final was on June 6. She was sick throughout the tournament by the way and even vomited during the semifinal match against Bacsinszky on June 4.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2015-06-05/ill_serena_still_the_favourite.html
 

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Remilekun Jibade said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Stuart Miller approved DHEA for BMS in 2013. Later in July 2014 the approval was revoked by WADA. In August 2014, Stuart Miller approves DHEA again and that too for the same player. What does this tell you about the integrity of Stuart Miller? This Stuart Miller is the same person whose signature you see on Serena's form too.

Yup, Serena and Stuart Miller are in cohort. They run ITF and WADA and all of sport together. :reel:

Did you even read the article you posted? The process works. TUE applications are indeed looked into by competent experts at multiple levels. Yes, Miller of ITF approved Mattek-Sands application, which was judged to be in good faith by the way, but WADA's TUE committee, comprised of 3 anonymous experts (meaning more heads) rejected it. That doesn't mean Miller is incompetent or has no integrity (according to him that was his WADA's only rejection), it just means in this particular case he didn't have the full expertise on DHEA that the WADA and CAS committees had that allowed them to denied the application accordingly. That's exactly how the system should function.

I know you think that tennis and all of sport has been corrupted by Serena Williams since 1999 but you should at least give these experts some benefit of doubt in how they carry out their work.

Stuart Miller is indeed a moron unless you're one of those who believe Troicki and Cilic were innocent and that he handled that situation and all the silent bans to date well. Give him a pat on the back, he's doing a great job. The players are tested a whole 4-6 times per year in competition and around 7-10 times out of competition which often is just urine tests which detect only a fraction of substances and you think he's doing a good job?! Sorry, but testing in tennis (or should I say complete lack of) is a complete joke and he has the authority to do something about it but he can't be bothered 'cos he think it's all working just fine.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
See this article titled doping legally .

It states "Cortisone and corticosteroids — for which Serena and Venus tested positive — increase airflow to the lungs by opening the airways, and also reduce pain during high intensity exercise.".
It is a respected newspaper and not a tabloid.

Not only that but here's more about cortisone. This is why we're seeing so many tennis players go from being out of shape to extremely muscular in a very short space of time. Can't think of anyone right now :popcorn

https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/771635353748779008

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Venus and Serena never tested positive for illegal drugs...Venus only used the medication at the height of her strugge with Sjogren from 2011-2013 and stopped...and this was in the off season.
Serena used her medication in the off season and briefly when she came from IW when she was struggling with knee injury then at Madrid when she had elbow injury after losing to Petra and when she was clearly struggling after her semi final at RG ...she informed WADAand itf...be enlightened by this link..
http://www.rusada.ru/doping-control/therapeutic-use
 

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http://www.itftennis.com/media/223971/223971.pdf...another link for your education..
 

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Thanks, I was so enlightened by the first link which is to a Russian site stating "Applications with the relevant documentation shall be forwarded by fax (fax number : (495)-788-40-60) or by post (Russia, Moscow 125284, 6A Begovaya Street)" :cover and here's the correct link for the second one http://www.itftennis.com/media/223971/223971.pdf which tells us what exactly about anything?
 

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On the other hand, here is an actual enlightening link people should read. And this one works too and isn't a Russian site.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/damian-reilly/in-defence-of-drug-cheats_b_7894350.html
 

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Front242 said:
GameSetAndMath said:
See this article titled doping legally .

It states "Cortisone and corticosteroids — for which Serena and Venus tested positive — increase airflow to the lungs by opening the airways, and also reduce pain during high intensity exercise.".
It is a respected newspaper and not a tabloid.

Not only that but here's more about cortisone. This is why we're seeing so many tennis players go from being out of shape to extremely muscular in a very short space of time. Can't think of anyone right now :popcorn

https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/771635353748779008

CrVmP-NUEAQRcaZ.jpg

And why aren't all the ordinary people taking cortisone as medication become extremely muscular? It seems in your head and only in your head these drugs suddenly lose their medical function as soon as they are taken by athletes and are now nothing but PEDs. :rolleyes:
 

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Front242 said:
On the other hand, here is an actual enlightening link people should read. And this one works too and isn't a Russian site.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/damian-reilly/in-defence-of-drug-cheats_b_7894350.html
this is an opinion and not factual...biased opinion to be honest.:rolleyes:
 

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this must be a war on black people by ruskies...they showed the sisters medical records to shame them and Simone Biles who was probably born with drugs in her system because of her drug addicted mother and as a child in foster care was put on these adhd drugs to control her...without her permission or knowledge...now they have hacked Colin Powell...
trying to diminish successful black people...
 

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Remilekun Jibade said:
Front242 said:
GameSetAndMath said:
See this article titled doping legally .

It states "Cortisone and corticosteroids — for which Serena and Venus tested positive — increase airflow to the lungs by opening the airways, and also reduce pain during high intensity exercise.".
It is a respected newspaper and not a tabloid.

Not only that but here's more about cortisone. This is why we're seeing so many tennis players go from being out of shape to extremely muscular in a very short space of time. Can't think of anyone right now :popcorn

https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/771635353748779008

CrVmP-NUEAQRcaZ.jpg

And why aren't all the ordinary people taking cortisone as medication become extremely muscular? It seems in your head and only in your head these drugs suddenly lose their medical function as soon as they are taken by athletes and are now nothing but PEDs. :rolleyes:

Am I the one who banned it ? No, it was WADA. If it's a prohibited substance it's because it's performance enhancing so you can go roll your eyes to WADA instead. I've never taken cortisone so I've no idea and every human has different genetics and therefore react differently to drugs but if tons of athletes are taking it, and they banned it, you can be sure there was a reason for the ban, namely it's performance enhancing for muscle and stamina.
 

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tossip said:
this must be a war on black people by ruskies...they showed the sisters medical records to shame them and Simone Biles who was probably born with drugs in her system because of her drug addicted mother and as a child in foster care was put on these adhd drugs to control her...without her permission or knowledge...now they have hacked Colin Powell...
trying to diminish successful black people...

Actually no, that's just you. You've posted an absolute ton of comments like this about supposed racism. Last time I checked, Bethanie Mattek-Sands was still white.
 
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