Game of Thrones (TV Show)

[the AntiPusher]

^ I was in utter shock as Snow died too. I was fairly indifferent towards him the first 2 seasons because I found everything with the Night's Watch to be extremely boring. But the last few seasons the story lines have been much more interesting and he's become more and more bad ass while remaining one of the few good and principled characters on the show.

Part of the show's brilliance is how the characters are always evolving, almost most are complex. Honestly I have a few favorite characters and one might be my favorite a couple weeks and another might be after that. Some you might hate at first and then you start to like them. It was kind of that way with Stannis. I found his end to be well done, he had made an awful choice which led to his men abandoning him, his wife killing herself, and the Red Bich leaving him. At the end he accepted his fate and realized he definitely deserved it. I also thought it was great that Brienne got some revenge.

That's part of why it's so great. Snow was definitely one of the best characters...but the best show I've seen will go on just fine without him.

Forget about the show "will be fine with him , what about me! That's was my top dawg. Jon Snow is the kind of guy I would want to marry one of my two lovely daughters, LOL.
Getting back to the show, without Snow and Stannis , there is only Ramsey and Bolton punkass to deal with the White walkers or Danrays Dragons.

 

[Kirijax]

Last night was not the first time nor will it be the last time the Game of Thrones had me doing my Steve Carell impression. :snicker

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8[/video]

 

[DarthFed]

^ I was in utter shock as Snow died too. I was fairly indifferent towards him the first 2 seasons because I found everything with the Night's Watch to be extremely boring. But the last few seasons the story lines have been much more interesting and he's become more and more bad ass while remaining one of the few good and principled characters on the show.

Part of the show's brilliance is how the characters are always evolving, almost most are complex. Honestly I have a few favorite characters and one might be my favorite a couple weeks and another might be after that. Some you might hate at first and then you start to like them. It was kind of that way with Stannis. I found his end to be well done, he had made an awful choice which led to his men abandoning him, his wife killing herself, and the Red Bich leaving him. At the end he accepted his fate and realized he definitely deserved it. I also thought it was great that Brienne got some revenge.

That's part of why it's so great. Snow was definitely one of the best characters...but the best show I've seen will go on just fine without him.

Forget about the show "will be fine with him , what about me! That's was my top dawg. Jon Snow is the kind of guy I would want to marry one of my two lovely daughters, LOL.
Getting back to the show, without Snow and Stannis , there is only Ramsey and Bolton punkass to deal with the White walkers or Danrays Dragons.

Jon learned too well from his old man. Always doing what's right is a sure way to get a Stark killed. This fake family is 10 times more tragic than the Kennedy's at this point.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Still the best show I've ever seen, and the two battles in episodes 8 and 9 were breathtaking, but the subplots in this season have been an absolute mess and so many things were poorly executed. Disappointing by the show's impeccable standards.

That said, it still did a lot of things right and Cercei's walk of shame was a terrific scene.

 

[DarthFed]

Out of curiosity what did you see as the bad subplots this season? The only thing I thought could have been more interesting was Jaime and Bronn's travels to Dorne, but even that finished with a flurry. Arya's transition into a "faceless" assassin was pretty boring but that seemed unavoidable. I'm not sure what would have made that more interesting. And again it progressed in a major way last night.

 

[Kirijax]

The whole Daenerys character has become terribly boring for me. The episode where she rode her dragon was cool, but she's boring as a character. They killed Jon Snow, so why not have the Dothracki horde trample her under their horses, killing her and leaving Drogon looking for another Targaryen. And then we find out that Tyrion is actually half-Targaryen and he ends up riding Drogon into Westeros, frying Cersei, the Boltons, the red witch and the White Walkers and claiming the Iron Throne. Now THAT would be a satisfying ending for me.

But knowing GOT, it's never gonna happen. They'll probably have Varys kill Tyrion or something. :cover

 

[Federberg]

^I have to say.. having just watched the last show of the season, I'm a bit disillusioned. There have been major deviations now. I can only assume that George Martin the useless so and so, is not reliable to drive the actual story correctly anymore. In the book Jon Snow wasn't killed for that reason. Arya is far more deadly, here they make her seem like just a pathetic girl. The queen defeats Cersei by political machinations which was much more interesting that the nonsense we've seen in the last few episodes. I simply can't understand why they've done this. It happens time and time again with good series, at some point there seems to be creative exhaustion. Why they had to do it this way is beyond me. The only reason I can see is that &%$er of a writer is to busy eating jelly donuts and counting his benjamins! :devil :nono

 

[Kirijax]

^I have to say.. having just watched the last show of the season, I'm a bit disillusioned. There have been major deviations now. I can only assume that George Martin the useless so and so, is not reliable to drive the actual story correctly anymore. In the book Jon Snow wasn't killed for that reason. Arya is far more deadly, here they make her seem like just a pathetic girl. The queen defeats Cersei by political machinations which was much more interesting that the nonsense we've seen in the last few episodes. I simply can't understand why they've done this. It happens time and time again with good series, at some point there seems to be creative exhaustion. Why they had to do it this way is beyond me. The only reason I can see is that &%$er of a writer is to busy eating jelly donuts and counting his benjamins! :devil :nono

It's become two separate stories for me now. The book and the Tv are sorta related but each going off on their own. Both are great I think. I've just started reading Book 5 but I love both.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Out of curiosity what did you see as the bad subplots this season? The only thing I thought could have been more interesting was Jaime and Bronn's travels to Dorne, but even that finished with a flurry. Arya's transition into a "faceless" assassin was pretty boring but that seemed unavoidable. I'm not sure what would have made that more interesting. And again it progressed in a major way last night.

Question, where the Hell is Little Finger

 

[Kirijax]

Out of curiosity what did you see as the bad subplots this season? The only thing I thought could have been more interesting was Jaime and Bronn's travels to Dorne, but even that finished with a flurry. Arya's transition into a "faceless" assassin was pretty boring but that seemed unavoidable. I'm not sure what would have made that more interesting. And again it progressed in a major way last night.

Question, where the Hell is Little Finger

I figured he's gotten out of King's Landing and is on his way back to Winterfell? I can't even remember what he was scheming at this point. Or maybe he's holed up with the Queen of Thorns, both getting ready to take advantage of Cersei's SHAME!

 

[brokenshoelace]

Out of curiosity what did you see as the bad subplots this season? The only thing I thought could have been more interesting was Jaime and Bronn's travels to Dorne, but even that finished with a flurry. Arya's transition into a "faceless" assassin was pretty boring but that seemed unavoidable. I'm not sure what would have made that more interesting. And again it progressed in a major way last night.

Everything that happened in Dorne fell so flat throughout the season, with the exception of the final kiss of death, which was well handled. But the part where Marcella tells Jaime she's happy he's her father was a major "meeeeeeeeh" moment for me. It felt way too forced. She hasn't seen him in years and seemed indifferent to him. Now she's happy her uncle banged her mother and she was the result just so they could share this last fatherly love moment before she dies? It felt too forced.

I thought the Stannis stuff was poorly executed throughout the season as well. Yes, burning his daughter was an act of desperation (and I don't care that it apparently deviated from the book) but it was so out of nowhere and uncharacteristic. It felt purely there for shock value. And one thing I loved about this show for the first 4 seasons is, despite the horrific events that happen, very little came off as purely for shock value. That, unfortunately, was.

Then after such a slow build to Stannis' march to Winterfel they rush the hell out of that and again, it falls so flat.

The Arya stuff was boring throughout the season but I never minded it that much because there was little way to make that exciting, but the payoff was pretty satisfying so I have no complaints there.

Also, as someone pointed out above, Danny is becoming super boring and quite irritating. Though at least that changed with that awesome last scene in episode 9 and whatever it is the Dothraki will do with her.

I'm bitter about Jon dying, though that's Martin's "fault." Nevertheless, despite not reading the books, I feel it's one shocking death too many. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense, because the male Starks have proven to be morons and terrible at politics, but the show/books are losing literally every character people are invested in and despite the rich universe and wide array of interesting characters, it's a very risky path to completely detach yourself from season 1/book 1. I mean, as each character bites the dust, you want people like Cersei, Tyrion, Danny, Arya and Jon Snow to remind you that "hey, this is still the same show that started in season 1."

Don't get me wrong, I love the character evolution. No show does it as well (few shows do anything as well as anything GOT does), but even as a major fanboy of the show, I'm growing a touch numb to certain things and that's not a good sign.

I was heartbroken when Ned Star, Robb Stark and Oberyn died. I was bitter when Jon Snow died, and not in a good way. It's not the same.

Again, this could be purely a personal issue, but a lot of people have been pretty critical of this season, though much of the criticism is BS (the criticism of the Ramsey-Sansa rape scene is nonsensical. Really? THAT is going too far? Have you seen this show? That one scene actually made sense).

Also, at some point, you grow weary as a viewer when you know there's not even naïve hope to latch on to. Everyone you like will die, everyone that is good will die, and there's not even a glimmer of hope. Though that's also why this show works. But at some point, you do need at least a few moments of temporary closure to balance things out. You don't want to feel that the writers are sadistic for the sake of torturing you as a viewer.

To be clear, this season was still better than most seasons most other shows produce. But I'm purely judging it by Game of Thrones standards. With that said, I can't believe I have to wait another year. Now THAT is heartbreaking. Still by far the best show on television, and comfortably the best ever. I just really hope they rebound well.

 

[DarthFed]

Out of curiosity what did you see as the bad subplots this season? The only thing I thought could have been more interesting was Jaime and Bronn's travels to Dorne, but even that finished with a flurry. Arya's transition into a "faceless" assassin was pretty boring but that seemed unavoidable. I'm not sure what would have made that more interesting. And again it progressed in a major way last night.

Everything that happened in Dorne fell so flat throughout the season, with the exception of the final kiss of death, which was well handled. But the part where Marcella tells Jaime she's happy he's her father was a major "meeeeeeeeh" moment for me. It felt way too forced. She hasn't seen him in years and seemed indifferent to him. Now she's happy her uncle banged her mother and she was the result just so they could share this last fatherly love moment before she dies? It felt too forced.

I thought the Stannis stuff was poorly executed throughout the season as well. Yes, burning his daughter was an act of desperation (and I don't care that it apparently deviated from the book) but it was so out of nowhere and uncharacteristic. It felt purely there for shock value. And one thing I loved about this show for the first 4 seasons is, despite the horrific events that happen, very little came off as purely for shock value. That, unfortunately, was.

Then after such a slow build to Stannis' march to Winterfel they rush the hell out of that and again, it falls so flat.

The Arya stuff was boring throughout the season but I never minded it that much because there was little way to make that exciting, but the payoff was pretty satisfying so I have no complaints there.

Also, as someone pointed out above, Danny is becoming super boring and quite irritating. Though at least that changed with that awesome last scene in episode 9 and whatever it is the Dothraki will do with her.

I'm bitter about Jon dying, though that's Martin's "fault." Nevertheless, despite not reading the books, I feel it's one shocking death too many. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense, because the male Starks have proven to be morons and terrible at politics, but the show/books are losing literally every character people are invested in and despite the rich universe and wide array of interesting characters, it's a very risky path to completely detach yourself from season 1/book 1. I mean, as each character bites the dust, you want people like Cersei, Tyrion, Danny, Arya and Jon Snow to remind you that "hey, this is still the same show that started in season 1."

Don't get me wrong, I love the character evolution. No show does it as well (few shows do anything as well as anything GOT does), but even as a major fanboy of the show, I'm growing a touch numb to certain things and that's not a good sign.

I was heartbroken when Ned Star, Robb Stark and Oberyn died. I was bitter when Jon Snow died, and not in a good way. It's not the same.

Again, this could be purely a personal issue, but a lot of people have been pretty critical of this season, though much of the criticism is BS (the criticism of the Ramsey-Sansa rape scene is nonsensical. Really? THAT is going too far? Have you seen this show? That one scene actually made sense).

Also, at some point, you grow weary as a viewer when you know there's not even naïve hope to latch on to. Everyone you like will die, everyone that is good will die, and there's not even a glimmer of hope. Though that's also why this show works. But at some point, you do need at least a few moments of temporary closure to balance things out. You don't want to feel that the writers are sadistic for the sake of torturing you as a viewer.

To be clear, this season was still better than most seasons most other shows produce. But I'm purely judging it by Game of Thrones standards. With that said, I can't believe I have to wait another year. Now THAT is heartbreaking. Still by far the best show on television, and comfortably the best ever. I just really hope they rebound well.

Good point about the final scene with Myrcella. I see where you're coming from there. I wouldn't necessarily say she was indifferent to him, she just didn't want to go home without her fiance. But to say she's happy to be a product of incest did seem out there and forced as you say.

I disagree in regards to the action with Stannis being rushed or out of character. Throughout the show he has begrudgingly accepted the "dark magic" from the Red Witch. In season 2 there were a bunch of human sacrifices meant to gain favor with "The Lord of Light". Usually he refuses at first but is talked into it after a big setback. He didn't take her along to Blackwater Bay and after the resulting disaster he listened to her and allowed his bastard nephew to be tortured (and would've probably sacrificed him if Davos didn't set him free). And Rob Stark and Joffrey died soon thereafter as the Red Witch promised. So when there was a big setback before the siege of Winterfell it was not surprising at all that he would do the worst thing imaginable. And for once the Witch was wrong, Stannis lost everything and realized by the end that he deserved to die. He wasn't going to beg, he wasn't going to make excuses, and he knew after it was too late that he was wrong throughout; a broken man who accepted his fate. I thought it was handled well.

The plot with Dany this season was interesting for the first time in awhile. For once it seems that they were actually moving the plot forward even if it did not involve starting a march on King's Landing. However I agree that the character herself has taken a bit of a hit. I haven't read books 4 or 5 so I won't outright criticize the actress (Emilia Clarke) but Clarke was amazing as the scared, innocent girl who turned into a strong woman who let her idiot brother get crowned, stepped into fire to give birth to 3 dragons, etc. It seems that she is all over the place now and the character has suffered as a result and it's made the action boring and unconvincing at times. This season was more interesting just due to the rebellion and the action with Jorah and Tyrion near the end.

I'm bitter and shocked about Jon getting killed off too. I'm still pissed off today much like I was after the Red Wedding for a couple weeks. But at the same time that was outstanding TV. If you hadn't read the books there was no way in hell anyone saw that coming and it was executed great even if it was a cliche parallel to Caesar and Brutus at the end. Outstanding stuff. The bitterness will eventually go away. I remember last year you mentioned that there are so many great characters and story lines that it doesn't matter who gets killed off, the show survives just fine without it. I completely agree and think it still stands true.

I think there are two types of people who are extra critical of this season:

1. The ones who can't handle the horrible things that happen on the show. (a little girl getting burned at the stake, another rape scene with the sadistic Ramsay and a girl who was just 14 when the show started, Cersei's walk of shame, etc)

2. The book readers who think the show has to be exact with the books and will criticize damn near any deviation.

For the first group...well the show is not for those with weak stomachs. It is a show (a damn amazing one at that) and sometimes bad and wildly entertaining things will happen.

For the second group, I think that they should consider that Martin is often consulted on parts of the show. I think if he was strongly against anything he'd have the power to more or less veto it. And the other thing is that they are now pretty much caught up with the books and it seems inevitable that they will be ahead of the books when all is said and done so Martin is possibly more involved with what's going on than we think in that he likely has an ending in mind for the plot and main characters and I'd be surprised if they have a completely different ending on the show from what Martin envisions. And regardless, this is an outstanding show and most of the people I know who have both read and watched it think the show is better than the books. Certainly I think that's the case for the first 3 seasons vs. what I read.

 

[Federberg]

The sad thing is, that in the books, the Arya bits (for me at least) are by far the most interesting. You can tell she's going to be one hell of an assassin eventually. But they just butcher her and make her seem like some sort of petulant psychopath in the series :nono

 

[brokenshoelace]

I disagree in regards to the action with Stannis being rushed or out of character. Throughout the show he has begrudgingly accepted the "dark magic" from the Red Witch. In season 2 there were a bunch of human sacrifices meant to gain favor with "The Lord of Light". Usually he refuses at first but is talked into it after a big setback. He didn't take her along to Blackwater Bay and after the resulting disaster he listened to her and allowed his bastard nephew to be tortured (and would've probably sacrificed him if Davos didn't set him free). And Rob Stark and Joffrey died soon thereafter as the Red Witch promised. So when there was a big setback before the siege of Winterfell it was not surprising at all that he would do the worst thing imaginable. And for once the Witch was wrong, Stannis lost everything and realized by the end that he deserved to die. He wasn't going to beg, he wasn't going to make excuses, and he knew after it was too late that he was wrong throughout; a broken man who accepted his fate. I thought it was handled well.

See I agree with all of this, had it not been for one scene. The one where just a couple of episodes before Shereen was burnt, she and Stannis share a moment in which he gives her the "you're my daughter" speech. It just seemed like an awfully quick turn around, hence out of character. It's not that Stannis is beyond taking that path. In fact, that's pretty consistent with everything else he's done. But it's his daughter, one who just a few episodes ego, the show gave us a backstory about from Stannis' own mouth, telling her what she means to him, etc...

The plot with Dany this season was interesting for the first time in awhile. For once it seems that they were actually moving the plot forward even if it did not involve starting a march on King's Landing. However I agree that the character herself has taken a bit of a hit. I haven't read books 4 or 5 so I won't outright criticize the actress (Emilia Clarke) but Clarke was amazing as the scared, innocent girl who turned into a strong woman who let her idiot brother get crowned, stepped into fire to give birth to 3 dragons, etc. It seems that she is all over the place now and the character has suffered as a result and it's made the action boring and unconvincing at times. This season was more interesting just due to the rebellion and the action with Jorah and Tyrion near the end.

Yes. To be clear, what I have an issue with is just the character itself, not the events. In fact, the events have been far more interesting than the last two seasons combined where it was basically just Danny freeing up slaves in a different city. Also, the dragons have done something relevant for the first time in a while which was also cool.

I'm bitter and shocked about Jon getting killed off too. I'm still pissed off today much like I was after the Red Wedding for a couple weeks. But at the same time that was outstanding TV. If you hadn't read the books there was no way in hell anyone saw that coming and it was executed great even if it was a cliche parallel to Caesar and Brutus at the end. Outstanding stuff. The bitterness will eventually go away. I remember last year you mentioned that there are so many great characters and story lines that it doesn't matter who gets killed off, the show survives just fine without it. I completely agree and think it still stands true.

And I still believe that as well. But, you always need to keep a few links to your roots, and Jon Snow as a very important one. The lack of male Starks remaining is a bit of a detachment from the original "protagonists," if there is such a thing on this show.

I think there are two types of people who are extra critical of this season:

1. The ones who can't handle the horrible things that happen on the show. (a little girl getting burned at the stake, another rape scene with the sadistic Ramsay and a girl who was just 14 when the show started, Cersei's walk of shame, etc)

2. The book readers who think the show has to be exact with the books and will criticize damn near any deviation.

For the first group...well the show is not for those with weak stomachs. It is a show (a damn amazing one at that) and sometimes bad and wildly entertaining things will happen.

For the second group, I think that they should consider that Martin is often consulted on parts of the show. I think if he was strongly against anything he'd have the power to more or less veto it. And the other thing is that they are now pretty much caught up with the books and it seems inevitable that they will be ahead of the books when all is said and done so Martin is possibly more involved with what's going on than we think in that he likely has an ending in mind for the plot and main characters and I'd be surprised if they have a completely different ending on the show from what Martin envisions. And regardless, this is an outstanding show and most of the people I know who have both read and watched it think the show is better than the books. Certainly I think that's the case for the first 3 seasons vs. what I read.

I completely agree with this. However, for the purposes of this season, even though I haven't actually read the book, the best parts to me, seemed those who happened to stay true to the book. I'm not a book elitist (again I haven't read them though I'm going to change that this summer), and I don't mind them deviating, but the execution is all that matters. And personally, I felt some of it was less air tight than usual.

Nevertheless, I completely co-sign with your take on the two kinds of people who have taken huge issues with this season. The first kind especially, is particularly irritating.

 

[britbox]

"All men must die" is the catchphrase. I think Tyrion will last the longest because George Martin has indicated in various interviews that Tyrion is the character he most personally identifies with... and that's good - Peter Dinklage is superb and the character is one, if not the best in the show.

Gotta admit, I was caught short by the Jon Snow killing - I liked his character, but he lacked street smarts and pragmatism, much like Ned Stark. If he was smart, he'd have dealt with Thorne long ago.

There are so many rich characters in the show that they can suffer these losses. Some of my faves bit the dust - Ned, The Hound, Jon... even Tywin was a strong character I liked... but plenty to fall back on.

Daenerys has become a bore in the last two seasons. They need to ramp that storyline up in Season 6. Freeing slaves in faraway lands has come full circle.

 

[tented]

I think I may have to exit this thread because it may be a great potential that someone who have read the books may leak some of the events that may occur later in the series. This is not an attack on anyone on this thread, it's been fun but too much has been mentioned regarding the books.

I think I may have to exit this thread because it may be a great potential that someone who have read the books may leak some of the events that may occur later in the series. This is not an attack on anyone on this thread, it's been fun but too much has been mentioned regarding the books.

I'm getting the same feeling, AP, but I don't think anyone has officially included a spoiler, but there have been a few close calls recently.

For those interested, there is a separate thread for the books:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2310

You may include as many spoilers as you like in that one, but let's please keep the focus on the TV show only here.

Yes if you've read the books how about we make a rule that you won't mention any future characters or hint at any big events that hasnt happened on the show yet. I read up to the end of season 3 (midway through the third book) and probably will hold off on reading the rest until the show is over. The books are great...but the show is epic. I rather watch it first.

As to fan theories that is different. I don't see harm in discussing them since we don't know for sure yet. Theories on Jon Snow's parents are popular amongst readers. And I do think that the popular theory will end up being true.

I agree with both of these: no discussion of the books (including left out characters, anything which deviates, etc.); stick to the series; theorizing what may come next, etc. (but within the context of the series) is OK.

I've skipped a few recent posts because I saw the word "books", so I'm posting this as a reminder we agreed to leave them out of this thread.

 

[Kirijax]

Still digesting the final episode after a few days. I've tried to just keep the book and TV show chat separate, but it's quite a bit different now anyways. Just avoid talking about characters not on the TV show helps.

I agree that the scene with Jaime and Myrcella seemed forced. The scene with Stannis and Shireen seemed for sincere and genuine than that happened on that ship. When Myrcella apparently died from Ellaria's Kiss of Revenge, there was no real surprise there. Almost expected it.

Stannis really got what he deserved in the end. If he really is dead that is. When Brienne found Stannis in the forest and was chatting away, did anyone else expect an arrow or something to suddenly stop her dead in her tracks? Until she swung the sword, I was like "Hurry up! Stop talking! Just do it!" And then we don't see the killing blow. I wonder if Stannis just may be alive. Maybe he'll survive somehow and then catch up with Melisandre and choke the living daylights out of her. But then again, after all the family members he killed, he does deserve it. So I guess the only living Baratheon that we know of is Gendry, who is still rowing that boat out there somewhere.

It's really interesting that in this show called a Game of thrones, no one is really in charge. Are there any real kings left? Tommen is just a puppet and who knows is pulling the strings in King's Landing now. Balon Greyjoy is still over at The Pyke I suppose. Prince Doran is not really a king nor does he claim to be does he? Joffery is dead, Ron in dead, Stannis is dead, Brenly is dead, Robert is dead, man is sucks to be a king in this show.

Cersei managed somehow anyhow to get back to the Red Keep. I guess she still has to go on trial and it's not going to go well for her so I'm guessing she'll demand trial by combat? Do those rules still apply to the Sparrow's rules? If there is a trial by combat, that Frankenstein monster thing (apparently his name is Robert Strong) will be her champion. Who would fight for the Sparrows? And who is in charge at the Red Keep know? Uncle Kevan? So much unanswered questions!

I'm still having trouble with the plunge off the battle wall that Sansa and Theek took. Soft snow landing huh? I'll bet Theon breaks a leg, Sansa leaves him there, Ramsay finds Theon and takes him back to his dungeon for some more fun, while Sana runs into Brienne and we get to see a Brienne-Ramsay fight. Yes, please!

I'm having trouble understanding what is keeping the Lannisters in power. They are out of gold, EVERYBODY knows Tommen does not a drop of stag blood in him, Cersei is powerless, Jaime only has one hand, Tyrion in gone and Tywin is dead. Why is this family still even alive? The city should be jumping on the Tyrell bandwagon so fast. But Mace is an idiot, Olenna is too old and Loreas and Margery are locked up. They may not be in that good of a position either.

So Daenerys is "captured" by Dothraki hordes. I'm assuming these are the guys that abandoned her after Drogo died? But once they find out about her wealth, dragons, armies and power, seems like the Dothraki will follow her again. Presto! Instant army once again. Man this Daenerys woman comes up with armies faster than I can pop microwave popcorn. It's a gift. And what's up with dropping the ring in the grass? If Jorah and Darrio find that thing, I'm gonna throw my microwave popcorn at the screen. I can't even find my keys in my house so don't expect me to believe those chaps can find a ring like that. That's what you call "Step One of Getting Ready to Jump The Shark."

Finally Jon. Melisandre is going to resurrect him and when he wakes us, he's going to be this.

Melt the White Walkers, burn King's Landing down, slowly, and I do mean slowly burn Melisandre and Ramsey, and a brouhaha fire fight with Targaryen dragons. That would be cool. Too superhero I guess.

So many possibilities.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I think I may have to exit this thread because it may be a great potential that someone who have read the books may leak some of the events that may occur later in the series. This is not an attack on anyone on this thread, it's been fun but too much has been mentioned regarding the books.

I think I may have to exit this thread because it may be a great potential that someone who have read the books may leak some of the events that may occur later in the series. This is not an attack on anyone on this thread, it's been fun but too much has been mentioned regarding the books.

I'm getting the same feeling, AP, but I don't think anyone has officially included a spoiler, but there have been a few close calls recently.

For those interested, there is a separate thread for the books:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2310

You may include as many spoilers as you like in that one, but let's please keep the focus on the TV show only here.

Yes if you've read the books how about we make a rule that you won't mention any future characters or hint at any big events that hasnt happened on the show yet. I read up to the end of season 3 (midway through the third book) and probably will hold off on reading the rest until the show is over. The books are great...but the show is epic. I rather watch it first.

As to fan theories that is different. I don't see harm in discussing them since we don't know for sure yet. Theories on Jon Snow's parents are popular amongst readers. And I do think that the popular theory will end up being true.

I agree with both of these: no discussion of the books (including left out characters, anything which deviates, etc.); stick to the series; theorizing what may come next, etc. (but within the context of the series) is OK.

I've skipped a few recent posts because I saw the word "books", so I'm posting this as a reminder we agreed to leave them out of this thread.

No details of the books were shared. Just that the show has deviated from them.

 

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No details of the books were shared. Just that the show has deviated from them.

This post has quite a few details, IMO, and goes against the notion of separating the TV show from the books.

 

[Kirijax]

No Game of Thrones today. What to do? :nono