Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

Doctors Front and Kieran...your thoughts now..

U.S. hospitals are once again 'at a breaking point' with delta and omicron

The omicron-driven surge is arriving at hospitals as they are still battling the delta variant and trying to manage the ongoing shortage of personnel.

www.nbcnews.com

My thoughts are people need to wake the fuck up. The media are lying through their teeth to you. Omicron is the common cold according to practically every report out there. Watch this.

 

[Front242]

 

[Front242]

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/vaxx-promoters-resemble-timeshare

"The relentless vaxx ad and incentive campaigns should, themselves, raise suspicions. If it were so clear that the injections protected people against death, why does the government have to try so hard to sell the shots? Why are they injecting anyone who’s under 70 and healthy? Worst of all, why do they want to vaxx kids, who are at functionally zero risk?

Covid vaxx opponents aren’t the only ones who think that vaxxes don’t work well. Tens of millions of vaxxers who wear masks and/or avoid other people show their lack of faith in vaxxes every day. Actions speak louder than words.

In addition to vaxxes’ distinctly limited effectiveness, and their chronological linkage to tens of thousands of near term deaths and other serious injuries already caused, the shots will likely end up actually causing even broader, longer term harm.

According to the Covid data analyst, Alex Berenson, the British are now finding that Covid shots interfere with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the Coronavirus spike protein, but also other pieces of the virus. Specifically, the vaccinated don’t seem to produce antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, i.e., the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in the unvaxxed.

This means the vaxxed may be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein even after they’ve been infected. It also means the virus is likely to select for mutations that will give the virus a much larger vulnerable population to infect. In general, researchers suggest that vaxxes impair robust long-term, post-infection immunity.

Following mutations, boosters of a newly “extinct” form of the spike protein are an especially poor idea. The body naturally lowers antibody levels to prevent antibody dependent enhancement (“ADE”), an immune system overreaction), because humans have evolved to enable our immune systems to 'know' that viruses mutate. Boosters can counteract your natural immune system, increasing the levels of antibodies they should be reducing, thus risking ADE."

 

[El Dude]

Fauci is a medical scientist who had more data in March 2021 than he had in 2020 October, November, December, January 2021. Fauci has saved the lives of hundreds of million. You, Front , the reluctant Vaccine vaccas Kieran and BB have saved how many??? Or have y'all just pushed a right wing view of the vaccine because it fits the narrative of your friends and families because your issues with Big PHARMA? Never one damn stat that gonna help a single soul from any of you but something that supports a selfish so called RIGHT to choose what goes into your bodies but not that you are infecting others (but acourse, there's no proof that a non vaccinated person that you know of has infected another person.) I would be interested to know how many times you have known EVERY single thing that had medically entered your body since all of you have been considered to be adults and render on judgement.No real empathy for those medical professionals who has to put their lives in jeapordy to most likely to treat people like yourselves who questions Science because again it fits your narrative..Maybe medical professionals should be given the RIGHT not to treat those who feel this is is a bullshit virus and bullshit vaccine. I know if I was a medical professional I would prefer to have that RIGHT.

Fauci hasn't saved hundreds of millions of lives - he's directly or indirectly responsible for a lot of the death and chaos in the world right now, not to mention his mishandling of American health care and research in general, and his atrocities with AZT. He is not who you think he is, and may be quite the opposite. I know it is hard to even consider that thought, because he rolled his eyes at Trump and therefore is a hero to the groupthink MSM mob, but if you look beyond the surface at all, you will see a long history of corruption and abuse.

Not buying the mainstream (Big Pharma directed) narrative, or even being anti-vax, is not a "right wing view." That's part of the false narrative that the disinfo media promulgates. It is a view that some in the right wing have, but that doesn't mean it is a right-wing view. But more so, it isn't a political view at all - or shouldn't be. I think it is only political to those who don't have the capacity or interest in thinking for themselves. Meaning, those who just want to go along with what their "tribe" thinks (whether on the left or right). But there are more and more on the left who are waking up, but you just don't hear from them because they're not allowed on CNN or MSNBC, or in the Opinions section of the New York Times.

But I don't expect you to buy any of the above, because you clearly believe the mainstream narrative 100%. It is really too bad.

But I'm honestly confused. Do you not realize that the vaccinated can get covid and transmit the virus? And what really confuses me is if the vaccine is so great, why are you so concerned? Meaning, if you are quintuple-vaxxed and the medical professionals you speak of are vaxxed, why should they worry about getting covid? And how do the un-vaxxed pose a special threat to them? And if they pose a threat, maybe the vax isn't all that it is chalked up to be?

I mean, either you trust the vax or you don't. If you do, then no worries - you'll be fine, right? If you trust the vax, then let it do its job, and let everyone decide for themselves what their best path of self-care is. If you don't trust the vax, then why would you insist that everyone take it? Either way, why are you so keen on mandates?

 

[El Dude]

This is an excellent bit. Love Jimmy Dore and Max Blumenthal, and the old British Youtube guy is just a gem.

 

[Front242]

Not for me, thanks, but posting for anyone who might care or be interested.

US Army claims it is close to developing vaccine against all Covid variants and coronaviruses​

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...accine-omicron-variants-us-army-b1980687.html

^ They should edit to all variants for now 'cos that's a dumb claim for something constantly mutating.

 

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[Moxie]

Same thoughts as before, bro, only more so. Difference between this year and last year is that we have millions of people vaccinated, but still the hospitals are struggling. If I’m reading you right, it’s even worse this year, when it really shouldn’t be.

I’m glad I caught covid from this perspective: I’m in no hurry to think about the booster. I want The Science to know much more about it this time, unlike when I got my second jab in June and they said it “might last a lifetime”, and “there might not be a need for boosters.”

Of course, if we just allow Pfizer to set the pace, then we’ll be having boosters every three months until Kingdom come. They’re in no hurry to create a vaccine that actually does what they originally said that this one does. They were wrong about it, but so what? Look at how good it is for Pfizer, to earn a thousand bucks a second, and the suckers they’re selling to don’t even have the guts to tell them, “scram, fella! Come back to me when you get it right!”

Pfizer don’t create cures, they create profit systems that work for their shareholders.

As for your love of Fauci, I can only think that this is part of your unquestioning acceptance of your political inheritance rather than anything else, which is nothing to do with me.

Now that woke me a little from my blissful hibernation but I’ll go back into my slumber if there’s nothing else…

Funny, when I got my second jab, also in June, here, there was already talk of a booster. No one ever promised me that it might last a lifetime, and certainly we thought by then it could be annual, like a flu shot. Obviously different intel, depending on where you live. But go back to sleep, and we'll wake you when the tennis resumes in January. Merry Christmas to you and the missus!

 

[Moxie]

What the "hospitals overflowing" narrative ignores is that this happens quite frequently, like just in 2018:

Hospitals Overflow as Flu Epidemic Spreads Unabated

Deaths continue to rise as this year’s record season worsens.

www.bloomberg.com

Meanwhile, we have data like this:

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age

And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

alexberenson.substack.com

If you're link-phobic: it describes how over the last six months, the all-causes mortality rate of the vaccinated over 60 years old in the UK is DOUBLE that of the unvaccinated.

Hmm.

Actually, it's people UNDER the age of 60. (10-59.) I know you just mis-typed that. No foul. But do read some of the comments, particularly the first one by someone called "Viv." Decent point to say that 10-59 is quite an age range. Don't you think there's too little information for the author to say that the only conclusion he can draw is from "vaccine mortality?" I think so. For one thing, from what I can tell, they are still only vaccinating children over 12 in the UK. And only recently. Plus, we might assume that people who got vaccinated tend to be at a higher risk level, right? Meaning they already have co-morbidities. I know you to be cautious with your stats, so I think you should be here, too. I'm not saying there is not something to be explored here, just to say that it's not really a complete study.

Also, I will say that I agree that there has been too much hysteria over Omicron. I didn't think there was in the US, but now I do think there is. But this doesn't stop me from protecting the more vulnerable in my family. Still better safe than sorry. And let's face it, even if it's a mild case, who wants it? In my family, we postponed our Christmas, and I ttink that was wise.

 

[Kieran]

Funny, when I got my second jab, also in June, here, there was already talk of a booster. No one ever promised me that it might last a lifetime, and certainly we thought by then it could be annual, like a flu shot. Obviously different intel, depending on where you live. But go back to sleep, and we'll wake you when the tennis resumes in January. Merry Christmas to you and the missus!

New York Times.

It was also reported in the Daily Mail. I wrote about this here on the forum a few weeks ago. “The Science” doesn’t know enough about the vaccines or the virus, so a bit of humility from the health tyrants and governments is in order, if they want to persuade the populace to follow their diktats. A bit of humility from anyone who believes in forced vaccination, too, as they do in Austria and Germany. From February in Austria, they start to fine people who haven’t been jabbed. Not a small fine, either.

Does anyone know if the booster will keep its potency for longer than the double jab? That is, does the booster last longer than 3 scabby months? I wouldn’t believe “The Science” if they told me it does.

Merry Christmas to you too, sister! And to everyone else! Keep well!

 

[Front242]

New York Times.

It was also reported in the Daily Mail. I wrote about this here on the forum a few weeks ago. “The Science” doesn’t know enough about the vaccines or the virus, so a bit of humility from the health tyrants and governments is in order, if they want to persuade the populace to follow their diktats. A bit of humility from anyone who believes in forced vaccination, too, as they do in Austria and Germany. From February in Austria, they start to fine people who haven’t been jabbed. Not a small fine, either.

Does anyone know if the booster will keep its potency for longer than the double jab? That is, does the booster last longer than 3 scabby months? I wouldn’t believe “The Science” if they told me it does.

Merry Christmas to you too, sister! And to everyone else! Keep well!

Happy xmas to all also. The amazing booster begins to wane even faster. 10 weeks lol! Omicron boosters will be out in April is my guess. April Fools!

Fourth Covid vaccinations likely after warnings of waning immunity

New analysis shows that immunity provided by boosters against the omicron variant starts to fall after 10 weeks

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[El Dude]

Actually, it's people UNDER the age of 60. (10-59.) I know you just mis-typed that. No foul. But do read some of the comments, particularly the first one by someone called "Viv." Decent point to say that 10-59 is quite an age range. Don't you think there's too little information for the author to say that the only conclusion he can draw is from "vaccine mortality?" I think so. For one thing, from what I can tell, they are still only vaccinating children over 12 in the UK. And only recently. Plus, we might assume that people who got vaccinated tend to be at a higher risk level, right? Meaning they already have co-morbidities. I know you to be cautious with your stats, so I think you should be here, too. I'm not saying there is not something to be explored here, just to say that it's not really a complete study.

Also, I will say that I agree that there has been too much hysteria over Omicron. I didn't think there was in the US, but now I do think there is. But this doesn't stop me from protecting the more vulnerable in my family. Still better safe than sorry. And let's face it, even if it's a mild case, who wants it? In my family, we postponed our Christmas, and I ttink that was wise.

Whoops, yes, under 60 - that's what I meant.

I agree 10-59 is a wide range, but it doesn't lessen the shock of that all-causes mortality rate. And sure, some of that might be accounted for by the group who vaccinated tending to be older and more vulnerable, but certainly not all or even most of it. The UK has a high vaccination rate, so there's a wide swathe who are both vaxxed and unvaxxed.

What is striking about the Omicron hysteria is that it should be a cause for optimism: the virus has mutated to a more benign form. More virulent, yes, but milder. We were always all going to get it eventually - most virologists believe it will become endemic - so a milder strain should be good news. Instead it is being used to push vaccines, re-start lockdowns, and increase profits for the usual parties.

 

[El Dude]

This, I think, should be huge news: from an actual mainstream publication.

Opinion | How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate

They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration.

www.wsj.com

For those who only trust mainstream sources, this should at least put a question in one's mind about their hero, Fauci.

 

[Moxie]

Whoops, yes, under 60 - that's what I meant.

I agree 10-59 is a wide range, but it doesn't lessen the shock of that all-causes mortality rate. And sure, some of that might be accounted for by the group who vaccinated tending to be older and more vulnerable, but certainly not all or even most of it. The UK has a high vaccination rate, so there's a wide swathe who are both vaxxed and unvaxxed.

What is striking about the Omicron hysteria is that it should be a cause for optimism: the virus has mutated to a more benign form. More virulent, yes, but milder. We were always all going to get it eventually - most virologists believe it will become endemic - so a milder strain should be good news. Instead it is being used to push vaccines, re-start lockdowns, and increase profits for the usual parties.

I do agree with you that Omicron might well be a cause for optimism. I'm feeling that way...that this thing is waning into a normal flu. I hope so. And, while I posted earlier that I didn't think my news sources here were being especially alarmist, I will retract that, now. And I don't agree with that kind of scaremongering, though my general sources ARE also willing to say that it might be more contagious but less virulent. And I even have doctor friends who say that it's time to just get on with our lives, though they say that within the context of vaccination. I do mostly agree with that and adhere to it. But when risk of contagion is high, I still think that individual choices in terms of prudence are in order. In my family, due to travel and vulnerability of a family member, we have decided to postpone our Christmas get-together. Which I'm fine with. When there is a bad flu going around, which there is, there's nothing wrong with choosing to protect your more vulnerable. The reason I always took/take an annual flu shot was to protect my elderly parents as my #1 on the list. Whatever we variously think about how much this was a pandemic, a lot of people got it, and a lot of people died from it. I will be perfectly happy when this one settles into a manageable flu, but until then, I'm willing to be cautious for the sake of others. And I recognize that that is my individual choice.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Fauci hasn't saved hundreds of millions of lives - he's directly or indirectly responsible for a lot of the death and chaos in the world right now, not to mention his mishandling of American health care and research in general, and his atrocities with AZT. He is not who you think he is, and may be quite the opposite. I know it is hard to even consider that thought, because he rolled his eyes at Trump and therefore is a hero to the groupthink MSM mob, but if you look beyond the surface at all, you will see a long history of corruption and abuse.

AP
If Faucci is present day The Angel of Death as you and others classified him? Why have he worked for four or more administrations? Why would a President put him in charge if there's a chance that this scientist's medical judgement would compromise at the very least, their entire presidency? Are you and Front "smarter" than 5 decades of US government officials? If so why are you not in charge of the CDC or have a medical professional scientists credentials.

Not buying the mainstream (Big Pharma directed) narrative, or even being anti-vax, is not a "right wing view." That's part of the false narrative that the disinfo media promulgates. It is a view that some in the right wing have, but that doesn't mean it is a right-wing view. But more so, it isn't a political view at all - or shouldn't be. I think it is only political to those who don't have the capacity or interest in thinking for themselves. Meaning, those who just want to go along with what their "tribe" thinks (whether on the left or right). But there are more and more on the left who are waking up, but you just don't hear from them because they're not allowed on CNN or MSNBC, or in the Opinions section of the New York Times.

But I don't expect you to buy any of the above, because you clearly believe the mainstream narrative 100%. It is really too bad.

But I'm honestly confused. Do you not realize that the vaccinated can get covid and transmit the virus? And what really confuses me is if the vaccine is so great, why are you so concerned? Meaning, if you are quintuple-vaxxed and the medical professionals you speak of are vaxxed, why should they worry about getting covid? And how do the un-vaxxed pose a special threat to them? And if they pose a threat, maybe the vax isn't all that it is chalked up to be?

I mean, either you trust the vax or you don't. If you do, then no worries - you'll be fine, right? If you trust the vax, then let it do its job, and let everyone decide for themselves what their best path of self-care is. If you don't trust the vax, then why would you insist that everyone take it? Either way, why are you so keen on mandates?

AP
This is what you do you, Continue to twist words so your anti COVID vaccine trolls will like it to fit their narratives. I have NEVER said I'm against the vaccine. Show me where I said it? Why I'm so keen on mandates, ? Duh...this is an airborne pathogens. This is not something you get by only touching but spreading the virus via your airborne pathogens that everyone produces naturally unless you are deceased. To lessen the chance of transmission, mask and social distancing mandates are necessary. Get It. As for not taking the vaccine vaccination shot, if you, front and the reluctant vaccas don't want to or it's your choice, why not should someone who does trust the science has to be subjective to get transmission from the unvaccinated. Is it being Bias, I don't care. If it was something like leprosy, would you be so quick to say, it's my choice, I doubt it.

 

[El Dude]

AP
If Faucci is present day The Angel of Death as you and others classified him? Why have he worked for four or more administrations? Why would a President put him in charge if there's a chance that this scientist's medical judgement would compromise at the very least, their entire presidency? Are you and Front "smarter" than 5 decades of US government officials? If so why are you not in charge of the CDC or have a medical professional scientists credentials.

Because the government should be trusted, big pharma and big medicine should be trusted, and o politician or president has ever been corrupt? Haha. Actually, my view is that the (almost) ALL are, that in order to get into a high political office you have to, at the least, sell out.

As for Fauci, read RFK's book and then come back and tell us what you think of Fauci. But for now, you just seem like one of the many groupthink libs that were impressed because he rolled his eyes at Trump.

AP
This is what you do you, Continue to twist words so your anti COVID vaccine trolls will like it to fit their narratives. I have NEVER said I'm against the vaccine. Show me where I said it? Why I'm so keen on mandates, ? Duh...this is an airborne pathogens. This is not something you get by only touching but spreading the virus via your airborne pathogens that everyone produces naturally unless you are deceased. To lessen the chance of transmission, mask and social distancing mandates are necessary. Get It. As for not taking the vaccine vaccination shot, if you, front and the reluctant vaccas don't want to or it's your choice, why not should someone who does trust the science has to be subjective to get transmission from the unvaccinated. Is it being Bias, I don't care. If it was something like leprosy, would you be so quick to say, it's my choice, I doubt it.

Reading comprehension, AP. I never said that you were anti-vaccine, but that you clearly display a certain dissonance - which you repeat here. Again: If the vaccine is so effective, so important to take, why must everyone take it? If you trust the vaccine, you should be good. The only reason to insist that everyone takes it is if the vaccine isn't that effective. Are you saying (admitting) that it isn't that effective?

And again, you parrot the "trust the science" thing, yet you ignore the science, or the science that doesn't fit your narrative. The vaccinated can transmit the virus. It is like you turn a blind eye to that fact.

 

[the AntiPusher]

El Dude wrote " If you don't trust the vax, then why would you insist that everyone take it? Either way, why are you so keen on mandates?"

AP
This is what you do you, Continue to twist words so your anti COVID vaccine trolls will like it to fit their narratives. I have NEVER said I'm against the vaccine. Show me where I said it? Why I'm so keen on mandates, ? Duh...this is an airborne pathogens. This is not something you get by only touching but spreading the virus via your airborne pathogens that everyone produces naturally unless you are deceased. To lessen the chance of transmission, mask and social distancing mandates are necessary. Get It. As for not taking the vaccine vaccination shot, if you, front and the reluctant vaccas don't want to or it's your choice, why not should someone who does trust the science has to be subjective to get transmission from the unvaccinated. Is it being Bias, I don't care. If it was something like leprosy, would you be so quick to say, it's my choice, I doubt it.

Reading comprehension, AP. I never said that you were anti-vaccine, but that you clearly display a certain dissonance - which you repeat here. Again: If the vaccine is so effective, so important to take, why must everyone take it? If you trust the vaccine, you should be good. The only reason to insist that everyone takes it is if the vaccine isn't that effective. Are you saying (admitting) that it isn't that effective?

And again, you parrot the "trust the science" thing, yet you ignore the science, or the science that doesn't fit your narrative. The vaccinated can transmit the virus. It is like you turn a blind eye to that fact

Reading Comprehension my ass Now you change your words. Where did I EVER say I don't trust the vaccine?

 

[El Dude]

Reading Comprehension my ass Now you change your words. Where did I EVER say I don't trust the vaccine?

Yes, reading comprehension - and I didn't change my words. This is what I actually said, from the two posts:

But I'm honestly confused. Do you not realize that the vaccinated can get covid and transmit the virus? And what really confuses me is if the vaccine is so great, why are you so concerned? Meaning, if you are quintuple-vaxxed and the medical professionals you speak of are vaxxed, why should they worry about getting covid? And how do the un-vaxxed pose a special threat to them? And if they pose a threat, maybe the vax isn't all that it is chalked up to be?

I mean, either you trust the vax or you don't. If you do, then no worries - you'll be fine, right? If you trust the vax, then let it do its job, and let everyone decide for themselves what their best path of self-care is. If you don't trust the vax, then why would you insist that everyone take it? Either way, why are you so keen on mandates?

Reading comprehension, AP. I never said that you were anti-vaccine, but that you clearly display a certain dissonance - which you repeat here. Again: If the vaccine is so effective, so important to take, why must everyone take it? If you trust the vaccine, you should be good. The only reason to insist that everyone takes it is if the vaccine isn't that effective. Are you saying (admitting) that it isn't that effective?

And again, you parrot the "trust the science" thing, yet you ignore the science, or the science that doesn't fit your narrative. The vaccinated can transmit the virus. It is like you turn a blind eye to that fact.

My point--again--is that if you trust the vaccine, then it shouldn't matter if others are vaxxed or not.

Either you trust the vax or not. If you trust it, which you say you do, then rest secure that it will protect you, whether through limiting your chance of getting it--whether from the unvaxxed or vaxxed--or protecting you from getting seriously ill. But if you think that the unvaxxed are a danger to the vaxxed, that implies that you don't really trust it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yes, reading comprehension - and I didn't change my words. This is what I actually said, from the two posts:





My point--again--is that if you trust the vaccine, then it shouldn't matter if others are vaxxed or not.

Either you trust the vax or not. If you trust it, which you say you do, then rest secure that it will protect you, whether through limiting your chance of getting it--whether from the unvaxxed or vaxxed--or protecting you from getting seriously ill. But if you think that the unvaxxed are a danger to the vaxxed, that implies that you don't really trust it.

"But if you think that the unvaxxed are a danger to the vaxxd, that implies that you don't really trust it" !

You don't know what you are talking about. Unvaccinated individuals like you are champion are the main carriers of the viruses. You have got to seriously have a lack of understanding of biology and science not to accept it. You, Front and the rest of the ones who accept your views are serial anti science aggression are the main reason this pandemic is getting out of hand and the end is nowhere in sight. Your philosophy has killed more people than anything else. The vaccine can limit the effects of Covid in a host body's immune system but it's not 100 percent Covid 19 terminator or preventative. That's is how you keep pushing this neantheral narrative, if the vaccine vaccination shot is legitimate, it should totally inoculate the virus but since that isn't true it's a bullshit vaccine for a bullshit virus is your plight. Good Grief. Your anti science agressors will most likely follow up with their dumbass unsubstantiated propaganda.

 

[britbox]

AP, this isn't about science v non-science, left v right or anything like that. That's the Divide & Conquer button your masters in government and the Media routinely push to control the narrative. It looks like they've succeeded in turning you against your fellow man with ease.

Open your ears for a moment... I'll explain why one small thing really matters (and it shouldn't really be small because it forms the entire foundation of how this COVID-19 evolved).

It's called the PCR Test.

This was invented by Nobel Prize Winner Kary Mullis.

It's interesting what Mullis had to say about Fauci, and be mindful that this interview took place long before COVID.




That aside, Mullis also made it clear that the PCR Test results should NOT be used to diagnose sickness and disease.




Unfortunately, Dr Mullis died just before the first breakout. Fauci decided to use PCR as the "Gold Standard" for diagnosis.

Is it unscientific for me to believe Mullis? The nobel prize winning inventor of the technology?

This is just the prologue to much more... but do me the courtesy of admitting that I am following science - just not the same science as you. I'm following the science offered by the inventor of the technology that underpins the whole testing data.