Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

Absolute insanity. Media over here are trying to bs fact check that this isn't happening but it clearly is.

 

[Front242]

 

[Moxie]

Actually it's you who are wrong again. I'm not making anything up. You might want to do some proper research before blindly praising the scum Pfizer, the world's most sued company. They have ripped off Ivermectin just as I said which costs 6 cents....and stand to make an absolute killing on their mark ups as they are dishonest, unscrupulous scum. Anyone with half a brain would source Ivermectin instead as it's worked wonders in India as I stated.

Lamestream media have of course been bad mouthing Ivermectin for a reason, BECAUSE IT WORKS and because it costs sfa. Never let a good crisis go to waste as they say and this is exactly what all the pharma companies and dishonest paid off government officials, politicians, media, etc are doing. The only way for the covid "vaccines" to get emergency approval was if there was no available treatment on the market. Queue massive global bad press against Ivermectin and hey presto, problem solved. These pharma companies and those being paid off are evil bastards. A LOT of lives could have been saved but money means more to them than saving lives. NOW though as they stand to make EVEN MORE money, suddenly Pfizer come up with this "new" drug which is Ivermectin ripped off. Pfizer's CEO and top management along with all those going along with this shaming of proven treatments that work only to promote their own products should get the gas chamber or guillotine.

Well, it does help when you post where you got the opinion that makes you rant. Are you just assuming that everyone reads or watches what you do? Anyway, I watched it. Your man makes a case for Ivermectin, and helps describe it in layman's terms, though he does show that the Pfizer pill has a completely different molecular structure, and doesn't explain why. He also straightforwardly admits he doesn't understand everything he is breaking down, and while he calls himself "Dr." John Campbell, he does explain that's a Dr. of Philosophy, not an MD. He's an RN. And I have nothing against nurses, in fact I trust them more than doctors, but just to be clear. And the only outlet I find for his information is youtube.

Here is an article from Reuters that fact checks Ivermectin v. the Pfizer pill. My main takeaway is that the new pill is directed specifically at the Sars cov2, whereas the Ivermectin is, as Campbell's research articles state, and he clarifies, are "off-target drugs," meaning not specifically designed for the purpose, which is fine, but a more scattershot approach can produce unintended and adverse side-effects. (See below.) I'm not saying that Ivermectin research shouldn't go on, and why not, if it proves to be safe, effective and cheaper? But I also don't think you have to qualify Pfizer's attempt as purely venal and looking to capitalize on misery. Perhaps they, too, are trying to develop a safer, more effective drug.

Fact Check-Pfizer's trial COVID-19 drug is not the same as ivermectin

An article shared hundreds of times on social media claims a new COVID-19 preventative drug being trialed by Pfizer is “suspiciously similar” to ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medication that the World Health Organization (WHO), European and United States regulators have...

www.reuters.com

 

[Front242]

Should be asleep here but suffice to say that anyone who believes a so called fact check for Pfizer in 2021 needs their head examined. It's staring you in the face that it's blatant plagiarism of a proven product that works and costs fuck all that they intend to make billions out of. From studies it's also clear Ivermectin is the safest and most effective. Watch it again.

 

[Moxie]

Should be asleep here but suffice to say that anyone who believes a so called fact check for Pfizer in 2021 needs their head examined. It's staring you in the face that it's blatant plagiarism of a proven product that works and costs fuck all that they intend to make billions out of. From studies it's also clear Ivermectin is the safest and most effective. Watch it again.

I watched it, don't make me watch it again. Did you look at those molecular structures? Even your man says they are vastly different. And did you read the article I posted just above? I'm not completely poopooing what you posted, at all. I watched it. I commented that it will be great if it's a cheap and cheerful solution without bad side effects. But you are ONLY about your side, and call everyone else a blind idiot for not seeing it. I'm trying to read and understand the information, so forgive me if I take some things with a grain o'. Ivermectin was developed for animals, primarily, and for worms. You're so unwilling to put a vaccine in your body, but are all in favor of a large animal de-wormer? And Russell Brand? You confuse me sometimes. Anyway, nighty night, Front!

 

[Moxie]

Rereading the above, I did not mean to imply that you are willing to put Russell Brand in your body.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

I'm saying that he was against the vaccine when it was Trump's baby ("Operation Lightspeed") and for it later on, after Trump was gone. There are many instances of this among Democratic pundits. I don't think it is simply him "changing his mind" as much as buying partisan narratives.

Don't forget that even Fauci was warning Trump about pushing the vaccine too quickly. But pretty much as soon as Biden was voted in, the "vaccine" magically appeared and Fauci had full confidence.

remember over here the vaccine was first approved in uk dec 2nd 2020, used dec 8th onwards.

usa approval on one vaccine was not far behind (?) but it did turn into another political football in usa.

 

[El Dude]

Rereading the above, I did not mean to imply that you are willing to put Russell Brand in your body.

Well, he is kind of cute - at least for a British guy.

 

[Moxie]

Well, he is kind of cute - at least for a British guy.

Oh, he's definitely hot and he's definitely promoting his live shows. And I myself am not above putting up comedians on politics forums here, so all good.

 

[tented]

Now you're just making crap up and ranting. Here is some information:

Paxlovid: Pfizer's Groundbreaking COVID-19 Pill

Learn about Paxlovid, Pfizer's COVID-19 pill, in our in-depth feature. Explore its efficacy, and potential impact on pandemic management.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com

That sounds very promising.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Ironic, indeed. My doctor friends in Florida and cousin who’s a nurse have told me about countless anti-vaccine patients who have begged for it upon realizing how sick they were, only to discover it was too late.

This is one of the only TRUE posts I have seen on this thread in months. Thanks Trent

 

[britbox]

At some point, people may figure out that the "authorities" constantly pitting you against your fellow humans might not have your best interests at heart - and then it ends.

Until then... keep swallowing the snake oil. As George Carlin said - it's a big club and you're not in it.

 

[Horsa]

At some point, people may figure out that the "authorities" constantly pitting you against your fellow humans might not have your best interests at heart - and then it ends.

Until then... keep swallowing the snake oil. As George Carlin said - it's a big club and you're not in it.

I already know this.

The only reason why I followed the rules is because I wanted my freedom back & thought that the quickest way of doing this was by following the rules. It worked for a long period of time. I got to do some pleasant jobs at work again this year like teach children how to make things out of clay, read children stories at a children's literature festival at work & be Mrs. Claus at a Xmas tree festival at work rather than having to stay at home & do very long, time-consuming tasks that did my head in after a while.

 

[the AntiPusher]

That is good news, but I’ve learned from the good news we got, that the vaccine may last a lifetime, that good news in this Covid era needs to pass a test of time to be proven.

But I agree with you, brother, it’s the pattern of viruses that they mutate themselves into oblivion, while the populace builds immunity against it. Omicron is predicted to become the dominant version, so fingers crossed!

That is good news, but I’ve learned from the good news we got, that the vaccine may last a lifetime, that good news in this Covid era needs to pass a test of time to be proven.

But I agree with you, brother, it’s the pattern of viruses that they mutate themselves into oblivion, while the populace builds immunity against it. Omicron is predicted to become the dominant version, so fingers crossed!

Doctors Front and Kieran...your thoughts now..

U.S. hospitals are once again 'at a breaking point' with delta and omicron

The omicron-driven surge is arriving at hospitals as they are still battling the delta variant and trying to manage the ongoing shortage of personnel.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[the AntiPusher]

Doctors Front and Kieran...your thoughts now..

U.S. hospitals are once again 'at a breaking point' with delta and omicron

The omicron-driven surge is arriving at hospitals as they are still battling the delta variant and trying to manage the ongoing shortage of personnel.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm saying that he was against the vaccine when it was Trump's baby ("Operation Lightspeed") and for it later on, after Trump was gone. There are many instances of this among Democratic pundits. I don't think it is simply him "changing his mind" as much as buying partisan narrativesmayb.

Don't forget that even Fauci was warning Trump about pushing the vaccine too quickly. But pretty much as soon as Biden was voted in, the "vaccine" magically appeared and Fauci had full confidence.

Fauci is a medical scientist who had more data in March 2021 than he had in 2020 October, November, December, January 2021. Fauci has saved the lives of hundreds of million. You, Front , the reluctant Vaccine vaccas Kieran and BB have saved how many??? Or have y'all just pushed a right wing view of the vaccine because it fits the narrative of your friends and families because your issues with Big PHARMA? Never one damn stat that gonna help a single soul from any of you but something that supports a selfish so called RIGHT to choose what goes into your bodies but not that you are infecting others (but acourse, there's no proof that a non vaccinated person that you know of has infected another person.) I would be interested to know how many times you have known EVERY single thing that had medically entered your body since all of you have been considered to be adults and render on judgement.No real empathy for those medical professionals who has to put their lives in jeapordy to most likely to treat people like yourselves who questions Science because again it fits your narrative..Maybe medical professionals should be given the RIGHT not to treat those who feel this is is a bullshit virus and bullshit vaccine. I know if I was a medical professional I would prefer to have that RIGHT.

 

[Kieran]

Doctors Front and Kieran...your thoughts now..

U.S. hospitals are once again 'at a breaking point' with delta and omicron

The omicron-driven surge is arriving at hospitals as they are still battling the delta variant and trying to manage the ongoing shortage of personnel.

www.nbcnews.com

Same thoughts as before, bro, only more so. Difference between this year and last year is that we have millions of people vaccinated, but still the hospitals are struggling. If I’m reading you right, it’s even worse this year, when it really shouldn’t be.

I’m glad I caught covid from this perspective: I’m in no hurry to think about the booster. I want The Science to know much more about it this time, unlike when I got my second jab in June and they said it “might last a lifetime”, and “there might not be a need for boosters.”

Of course, if we just allow Pfizer to set the pace, then we’ll be having boosters every three months until Kingdom come. They’re in no hurry to create a vaccine that actually does what they originally said that this one does. They were wrong about it, but so what? Look at how good it is for Pfizer, to earn a thousand bucks a second, and the suckers they’re selling to don’t even have the guts to tell them, “scram, fella! Come back to me when you get it right!”

Pfizer don’t create cures, they create profit systems that work for their shareholders.

As for your love of Fauci, I can only think that this is part of your unquestioning acceptance of your political inheritance rather than anything else, which is nothing to do with me.

Now that woke me a little from my blissful hibernation but I’ll go back into my slumber if there’s nothing else…

 

[El Dude]

What the "hospitals overflowing" narrative ignores is that this happens quite frequently, like just in 2018:

Hospitals Overflow as Flu Epidemic Spreads Unabated

Deaths continue to rise as this year’s record season worsens.

www.bloomberg.com

Meanwhile, we have data like this:

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age

And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

alexberenson.substack.com

If you're link-phobic: it describes how over the last six months, the all-causes mortality rate of the vaccinated over 60 years old in the UK is DOUBLE that of the unvaccinated.

Hmm.

 

[El Dude]

Same thoughts as before, bro, only more so. Difference between this year and last year is that we have millions of people vaccinated, but still the hospitals are struggling. If I’m reading you right, it’s even worse this year, when it really shouldn’t be.

I’m glad I caught covid from this perspective: I’m in no hurry to think about the booster. I want The Science to know much more about it this time, unlike when I got my second jab in June and they said it “might last a lifetime”, and “there might not be a need for boosters.”

Of course, if we just allow Pfizer to set the pace, then we’ll be having boosters every three months until Kingdom come. They’re in no hurry to create a vaccine that actually does what they originally said that this one does. They were wrong about it, but so what? Look at how good it is for Pfizer, to earn a thousand bucks a second, and the suckers they’re selling to don’t even have the guts to tell them, “scram, fella! Come back to me when you get it right!”

Pfizer don’t create cures, they create profit systems that work for their shareholders.

As for your love of Fauci, I can only think that this is part of your unquestioning acceptance of your political inheritance rather than anything else, which is nothing to do with me.

Now that woke me a little from my blissful hibernation but I’ll go back into my slumber if there’s nothing else…

Here's the recent timeline:

1. Omicron announced as a "variant of concern."
2. South Africa doctor says it is much milder, but more virulent. Others suggest that it could be a natural vaccine that produces natural immunity.
3. Pfizer CEO and Fauci say, "this is very worrisome - you need another booster."
4. Media fuels fear, inspires panic.
5. Data from UK and other places confirms SA doctor's initial analysis.
6. Biden says to the unvaxxed: prepare for a winter of death and suffering, for you, your family, and friends. Further lockdowns announced.

But no, no propaganda.

 

[Front242]

 

[Front242]

Fauci is a medical scientist who had more data in March 2021 than he had in 2020 October, November, December, January 2021. Fauci has saved the lives of hundreds of million. You, Front , the reluctant Vaccine vaccas Kieran and BB have saved how many??? Or have y'all just pushed a right wing view of the vaccine because it fits the narrative of your friends and families because your issues with Big PHARMA? Never one damn stat that gonna help a single soul from any of you but something that supports a selfish so called RIGHT to choose what goes into your bodies but not that you are infecting others (but acourse, there's no proof that a non vaccinated person that you know of has infected another person.) I would be interested to know how many times you have known EVERY single thing that had medically entered your body since all of you have been considered to be adults and render on judgement.No real empathy for those medical professionals who has to put their lives in jeapordy to most likely to treat people like yourselves who questions Science because again it fits your narrative..Maybe medical professionals should be given the RIGHT not to treat those who feel this is is a bullshit virus and bullshit vaccine. I know if I was a medical professional I would prefer to have that RIGHT.

Fauci is a pos of the highest order.