Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Moxie]

And moxie might decide to interpret others thoughts for them again, making them out to be worse and uncaring than she is.

...but luckily I resisted the temptation.

 

[Moxie]

But these tests are not the HSE tests, right? I mean, if you think you have covid, you get a free test from the health service, but if you need a PCR/antigen test for your own purposes, such as travel or whatever, you pay, right?

My covid test was free, and since I had covid, and the test was on the official HSE register, that’s how I got my second covid cert. We don’t get covid certs if we get a private covid test, even if it’s positive, as far as I know.

As for Nolan saying that, it’s just another example of how inconsiderate they are over here, their inconsistencies and contradictions get swept under the carpet, while their newest diktats are taken as gems - until the inevitable happens and they too fall foul of the broom - destination the carpet.

To tie this up a little with what Tented and Moxie were saying about the hospitals being overrun, the staff being overworked, this has always been a shame of our health service, how underpaid they are. There are people who without any trace of irony blazoned their social media profile pictures with “I’m with the nurses and midwives” badges when the issue was one of pay rises and how they were always passed over for a rise that reflects the work they do, people who were cursing varadkar when he was Taoiseach (prime minister) for his measly excuses, and the same people cheered Varadkar for “keeping us safe, being a hero” while the same underpaid nurses were firefighting at the beginning, when flattening the curve was still a thing. We have the same people running the country who neglected the needs of the nurses, and still do, and the same health tyrants who mismanaged cervical cancer scandal, and asked if the government would be so kind as to not investigate that, but instead, they’d write their own report for the government. Thankfully this didn’t happen.

However, I may be wrong, but I believe there will be no private investigation into the Irish government and health services handling of covid…

This still surprises me. I can take a test as often as I like, and for any reason, and it's still free. And nothing else in US healthcare is free. But, for that reason, our hospitals were not generally understaffed or overrun, pre-Covid.

 

[Kieran]

This still surprises me. I can take a test as often as I like, and for any reason, and it's still free. And nothing else in US healthcare is free. But, for that reason, our hospitals were not generally understaffed or overrun, pre-Covid.

The state tests are free but I’m not sure if we can just walk in and get one. People in general would only get one from the state if they think they might have covid. But the state test is no good if you want to travel. That has to be from a private company. And the private company test is no good if you want a covid passport, that has to come from the state test.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/get-tested/

You cannot use a HSE COVID-19 test result for international travel from Ireland. If you need a letter for travel, you need to have a negative PCR test from a private company. They will give you the letter you need to travel.https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/77952-government-advice-on-international-travel/

Who can get a test​

You can get a PCR test if you have not had a positive COVID-19 PCR test in the last 9 months. Only get another test if you have symptoms of COVID-19.

 

[Moxie]

The state tests are free but I’m not sure if we can just walk in and get one. People in general would only get one from the state if they think they might have covid. But the state test is no good if you want to travel. That has to be from a private company. And the private company test is no good if you want a covid passport, that has to come from the state test.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/get-tested/

That seems overly complicated.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I have a cousin who’s an ICU nurse. She has been telling me since this began how horrible it is in her hospital. She spends every day surrounded by death. She‘s also a lifelong Republican who has spent her entire life in the South, but is beyond frustrated at how right-wing media outlets have portrayed covid as fake news. I’m good friends with a group of doctors in Florida — all Trump voters — who are also well aware of the reality of this, and also exasperated that more people haven’t been vaccinated.

Thanks for sharing Tented as I can relate to your cousin.We do spend every day/night surrounded by death.I am also sick to death of people saying COVID is just a flu etc.it is Not.just walk with me in ICU and you can witness first hand what COVID can do.Also it is not for the elderly,most of my patients have been fit,young people aged from 20s to 40's with no underlying problems.The saddest case was a young boy under my care a few months ago,who died,I had to stand there and hold his hand,there was nothing more we could do for him.It also does have positives when people finally get well and are able to go to a normal ward and out of ICU.

 

[Front242]

And moxie might decide to interpret others thoughts for them again, making them out to be worse and uncaring than she is.

We unfortunately have these stories here too, and the problem here is possibly similar to everywhere, which is that our hospital service isn’t fit for purpose at the best of times. In Ireland, our health service had to borrow private hospitals to help carry the load. We have a huge backlog in hospital appointments for non-Covid stuff, because the hospitals are dealing largely with covid. And this of course is going to create terrible problems for people who are skipping cancer appointments and other personal health emergencies.

And just to show I’m caring enough, I did mention earlier in the thread that although 52% of our ICU cases are unvaccinated people, only 7% of our country is unvaccinated, so it’s largely unvaccinated people in the ICU here as well. We’re don’t know what other conditions they may have had, but the vaccines have had a positive effect in this regard (as I’ve mentioned before, in case it’s falling on deaf ears)…

The media are fiddling the numbers to push their agenda as always but the actual stats are 90.04% over age 12 but the scum are going after kids now. The overall stats though are 76.2% fully vaccinated, despite there being no such thing as fully vaccinated!

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...gEHMS41LjEuMZgBAKABAcgBCsABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

I wouldn't fall into the trap of those ICU stats to be honest. Tons of clowns on journal.ie harping on about those unvaxxed in hospital but what else do we know. Are they unable to take vaccines due to medical issues, are they massively overweight, many have serious underlying issues and were there already and only got tested for covid while already there and now they're a covid ICU stat rather than an "I was here cos I smoke a ton and have lung cancer" stat. The government and HSE won't have a leg to stand on when these people either get discharged or pass away but the reality now is it's mostly vaxxed in hospital, also elderly and underlying issues.

 

[Front242]

Two articles regarding Omicron. In one, Professor O'Neill from Trinity College says:


In the other, the WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said:




https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/top-doctor-luke-oneill-says-22369539

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/covid-om...6ZYhKqQmH6E3F8L0hk6dQQuIHn6L5VuIjz6UAIuUtAx-8

Haha top and doctor SHOULD NOT be used with Luke O' Neill. He's an absolute clown of the highest order. Want proof ? Look no further!

 

[Front242]

But these tests are not the HSE tests, right? I mean, if you think you have covid, you get a free test from the health service, but if you need a PCR/antigen test for your own purposes, such as travel or whatever, you pay, right?

My covid test was free, and since I had covid, and the test was on the official HSE register, that’s how I got my second covid cert. We don’t get covid certs if we get a private covid test, even if it’s positive, as far as I know.

As for Nolan saying that, it’s just another example of how inconsiderate they are over here, their inconsistencies and contradictions get swept under the carpet, while their newest diktats are taken as gems - until the inevitable happens and they too fall foul of the broom - destination the carpet.

To tie this up a little with what Tented and Moxie were saying about the hospitals being overrun, the staff being overworked, this has always been a shame of our health service, how underpaid they are. There are people who without any trace of irony blazoned their social media profile pictures with “I’m with the nurses and midwives” badges when the issue was one of pay rises and how they were always passed over for a rise that reflects the work they do, people who were cursing varadkar when he was Taoiseach (prime minister) for his measly excuses, and the same people cheered Varadkar for “keeping us safe, being a hero” while the same underpaid nurses were firefighting at the beginning, when flattening the curve was still a thing. We have the same people running the country who neglected the needs of the nurses, and still do, and the same health tyrants who mismanaged cervical cancer scandal, and asked if the government would be so kind as to not investigate that, but instead, they’d write their own report for the government. Thankfully this didn’t happen.

However, I may be wrong, but I believe there will be no private investigation into the Irish government and health services handling of covid…

Yes, if you want a covid test to see if you have covid, it's free but to travel you have to pay and currently the clowns don't even allow someone to pay for a pharmacy completed antigen test to allow you go out indoors. Then again, many wouldn't 'cos the cheapest I've heard rapid antigen tests from pharmacies here is €39 which is more than the cost of a few drinks and frankly why should they when riddled vaxxed are allowed in with no tests. There's zero science behind that and they simply want the unvaxxed to get vaxxed so they get paid more for administering more so called vaccines. Only riddled vaxxed or covid recovered with certs allowed in and the covid recovered are of course much less likely to have covid. the vaxxed, however being let in with just a scan of an app or piece of paper is beyond laughable and it's why the cases are so high globally. That and the useless PCR test.

Another discriminatory issue is let's say you didn't go for a test cos your symptoms could literally have been anything from a common cold to mild flu, why then are you not allowed get an antibody blood test to show you had covid and apply for a covid recovered cert ? They're not cheap! And way more comprehensive than those PCR tests. Reason of course is the test centres are getting paid a ton to take the PCR tests. It's all corrupt and no science behind it, otherwise they'd let recovered people who can't catch it again for quite some time get a covid cert.

Btw, there most definitely SHOULD be an investigation into the handling of covid here because the very prick in charge basically of the whole country 'cos our Taoiseach has no balls to make decisions of his own (Tony "cervical cancer scandal" O' Foolihan) and his merry NPHET so called health advisory team are the reason for the bulk of our covid deaths. They moved a ton of sick elderly people from hospitals into nursing homes and ended up killing tons of elderly grannies and grandads as a result. Yet another scandal for Tony but nothing is being made of it.

 

[Kieran]

Yes, if you want a covid test to see if you have covid, it's free but to travel you have to pay and currently the clowns don't even allow someone to pay for a pharmacy completed antigen test to allow you go out indoors. Then again, many wouldn't 'cos the cheapest I've heard rapid antigen tests from pharmacies here is €39 which is more than the cost of a few drinks and frankly why should they when riddled vaxxed are allowed in with no tests. There's zero science behind that and they simply want the unvaxxed to get vaxxed so they get paid more for administering more so called vaccines. Only riddled vaxxed or covid recovered with certs allowed in and the covid recovered are of course much less likely to have covid. the vaxxed, however being let in with just a scan of an app or piece of paper is beyond laughable and it's why the cases are so high globally. That and the useless PCR test.

Another discriminatory issue is let's say you didn't go for a test cos your symptoms could literally have been anything from a common cold to mild flu, why then are you not allowed get an antibody blood test to show you had covid and apply for a covid recovered cert ? They're not cheap! And way more comprehensive than those PCR tests. Reason of course is the test centres are getting paid a ton to take the PCR tests. It's all corrupt and no science behind it, otherwise they'd let recovered people who can't catch it again for quite some time get a covid cert.

Btw, there most definitely SHOULD be an investigation into the handling of covid here because the very prick in charge basically of the whole country 'cos our Taoiseach has no balls to make decisions of his own (Tony "cervical cancer scandal" O' Foolihan) and his merry NPHET so called health advisory team are the reason for the bulk of our covid deaths. They moved a ton of sick elderly people from hospitals into nursing homes and ended up killing tons of elderly grannies and grandads as a result. Yet another scandal for Tony but nothing is being made of it.

Well, there should be an independent investigation anyway, to examine if the government got the best advice and acted in the best way for everybody. That would give full transparency to their processes and decisions, which have been divisive to say the least.

I’m sure I heard Michael Martin slip it quietly into a speech, that they’d decided there wouldn’t be any investigation into how they handled it, but I’m open to correction since nobody seems to have complained.

And yeah, the way these tests are done is ridiculous. €99 for a PCR test. There’s whole industries grown up overnight due to covid, and fair play to them, but the system should work in our favour first…

 

[Front242]

Well, there should be an independent investigation anyway, to examine if the government got the best advice and acted in the best way for everybody. That would give full transparency to their processes and decisions, which have been divisive to say the least.

I’m sure I heard Michael Martin slip it quietly into a speech, that they’d decided there wouldn’t be any investigation into how they handled it, but I’m open to correction since nobody seems to have complained.

And yeah, the way these tests are done is ridiculous. €99 for a PCR test. There’s whole industries grown up overnight due to covid, and fair play to them, but the system should work in our favour first…

If this was anywhere near as serious as they make out (it's not, that's just their way of justifying the restrictons on society globally so the elites and corrupt get richer) then people wouldn't be going out of their way to make a fortune out of this but as they say "never let a good crisis go to waste" ! They'll milk this forever more. The world is doomed sadly. Can only imagine what things will be like when The Great Reset / Agenda 2030 occur.

 

[Moxie]

The media are fiddling the numbers to push their agenda as always but the actual stats are 90.04% over age 12 but the scum are going after kids now. The overall stats though are 76.2% fully vaccinated, despite there being no such thing as fully vaccinated!

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...gEHMS41LjEuMZgBAKABAcgBCsABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

I wouldn't fall into the trap of those ICU stats to be honest. Tons of clowns on journal.ie harping on about those unvaxxed in hospital but what else do we know. Are they unable to take vaccines due to medical issues, are they massively overweight, many have serious underlying issues and were there already and only got tested for covid while already there and now they're a covid ICU stat rather than an "I was here cos I smoke a ton and have lung cancer" stat. The government and HSE won't have a leg to stand on when these people either get discharged or pass away but the reality now is it's mostly vaxxed in hospital, also elderly and underlying issues.

I don't understand what agenda "the media" are pushing. All of the media? In a worldwide conspiracy? That seems implausible.

I also understand that you disagree with some terms, and the fine-points of the stats, but my understanding is that most people, by a large margin, don't have any medical reason not to take a vaccine. I think we all agree that co-occuring conditions are a factor in increasing susceptibility to Covid, and more adverse complications, and, as discussed a bit, the sick/dead "by" covid or "with" covid, but if you're going to so thoroughly dismiss the validity of everything you read, doesn't that become a self-fulfilling prophesy? I have no problem with the idea that stats need delving into so that we know as much as we can, but when numbers are really large, it seems, to me, hard to dismiss them completely. But you do you. I'm just mostly interested in the above...what agenda does the media have to manipulate statistics, how much media do you think is involved in this, across the world?

 

[Front242]

I don't understand what agenda "the media" are pushing. All of the media? In a worldwide conspiracy? That seems implausible.

I also understand that you disagree with some terms, and the fine-points of the stats, but my understanding is that most people, by a large margin, don't have any medical reason not to take a vaccine. I think we all agree that co-occuring conditions are a factor in increasing susceptibility to Covid, and more adverse complications, and, as discussed a bit, the sick/dead "by" covid or "with" covid, but if you're going to so thoroughly dismiss the validity of everything you read, doesn't that become a self-fulfilling prophesy? I have no problem with the idea that stats need delving into so that we know as much as we can, but when numbers are really large, it seems, to me, hard to dismiss them completely. But you do you. I'm just mostly interested in the above...what agenda does the media have to manipulate statistics, how much media do you think is involved in this, across the world?

Implausible? Really ? You do know the saying money is the root of all evil isn't a lie ? It's a fact. So the world's top pharma companies want to make a fortune out of a supposed global crisis and pay governments globally to push their products. I'm calling them products as so far they've failed to be what I'd consider vaccines. Would it therefore be in the interests of countries receiving massive payouts by these pharma companies (incidentally also those with the some of the worst criminal records - most sued company = Pfizer) to slate the vaccines and tell everyone not to take them or to tell everyone to take them and censor the living shit out of ANY negative backlash going against what they deem "The science" and labeling it "misinformation" ? I think you know the answer.

Given there's been no time to do any sort of meaningful studies on young kids with these so called vaccines, what else other than making a quick buck could this be all about?! Why are the governments then backing up the fact that there's no proper studies and pushing these like crazy? Because they're being paid an absolutely obscene amount of money to do so and it's most definitely NOT in our kids best interests but they don't care 'cos everyone at the top is getting absolutely minted.

 

[Moxie]

Well, there should be an independent investigation anyway, to examine if the government got the best advice and acted in the best way for everybody. That would give full transparency to their processes and decisions, which have been divisive to say the least.

I’m sure I heard Michael Martin slip it quietly into a speech, that they’d decided there wouldn’t be any investigation into how they handled it, but I’m open to correction since nobody seems to have complained.

And yeah, the way these tests are done is ridiculous. €99 for a PCR test. There’s whole industries grown up overnight due to covid, and fair play to them, but the system should work in our favour first…

I have to say, our incidental back-and-forth over the costs of Covid testing between US and Ireland has made me understand something about why you and Front would feel disgruntled, and even a bit cynical. If I'm understanding correctly, a private PCR test adds €99pp to the cost of any trip you might take abroad? So, yes, it does feel like a cottage industry has grown up around it, and I can see why it feels like getting grifted over something that you don't feel especially personally susceptible to. As I've said, testing here is mostly free, and available, though, as I briefly mentioned above, the cost will come to us, somehow, in the end. Our taxes pay for it. And there are new testing companies that didn't exist before, so some clever entrepreneur is getting government money to test us. (As you say, good for them.) Anyway, for now it's handy, and I do think free and readily available testing is one good weapon in the fight.

 

[Front242]

I have to say, our incidental back-and-forth over the costs of Covid testing between US and Ireland has made me understand something about why you and Front would feel disgruntled, and even a bit cynical. If I'm understanding correctly, a private PCR test adds €99pp to the cost of any trip you might take abroad? So, yes, it does feel like a cottage industry has grown up around it, and I can see why it feels like getting grifted over something that you don't feel especially personally susceptible to. As I've said, testing here is mostly free, and available, though, as I briefly mentioned above, the cost will come to us, somehow, in the end. Our taxes pay for it. And there are new testing companies that didn't exist before, so some clever entrepreneur is getting government money to test us. (As you say, good for them.) Anyway, for now it's handy, and I do think free and readily available testing is one good weapon in the fight.

A massive amount for families with a few kids over the age where they have to pay full whack for their tests too.

 

[Moxie]

Implausible? Really ? You do know the saying money is the root of all evil isn't a lie ? It's a fact.

Well, it is a saying. It's hard to call it a "fact." Because then we'd have to discuss "evil," but I understand why the saying exists.

So the world's top pharma companies want to make a fortune out of a supposed global crisis and pay governments globally to push their products. I'm calling them products as so far they've failed to be what I'd consider vaccines. Would it therefore be in the interests of countries receiving massive payouts by these pharma companies (incidentally also those with the some of the worst criminal records - most sued company = Pfizer) to slate the vaccines and tell everyone not to take them or to tell everyone to take them and censor the living shit out of ANY negative backlash going against what they deem "The science" and labeling it "misinformation" ? I think you know the answer.

They ARE products. But I'm not clear who they pay off. DO they pay governments? Surely they pay politicians. And many media outlets are sponsored by them. But this doesn't completely explain to me how you see a worldwide conspiracy on statistics. That absolutely every "mainstream media" outlet, and all politicians are in on the scam.

Given there's been no time to do any sort of meaningful studies on young kids with these so called vaccines, what else other than making a quick buck could this be all about?! Why are the governments then backing up the fact that there's no proper studies and pushing these like crazy? Because they're being paid an absolutely obscene amount of money to do so and it's most definitely NOT in our kids best interests but they don't care 'cos everyone at the top is getting absolutely minted.

I am with you on skepticism about pushing vaccines, at this point, on small children. But I don't agree with your certainly as to the motivation of every person, media, governments, medical professionals, etc. It seems way too many people to rope into an international conspiracy. Let's face it: it would take a lot for the whole world to collude on this level of global scam, and most slubs wouldn't make enough on it not to break from it. That's my feeling.

 

[Front242]

Huge respect to these people.

 

[El Dude]

The FDA is is now asking to not release Pfizer data until 2096. That's right, they want even longer now: 75 years.

That's really re-assuring.

 

[Front242]

The FDA is is now asking to not release Pfizer data until 2096. That's right, they want even longer now: 75 years.

That's really re-assuring.

That's fubar and yet the hardcore, blinded pro-vaccine crowd won't see any red flag there.

 

[Front242]

A total of 566 patients, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac. We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

Tons of soccer players and very healthy athletes are having heart attacks very frequently of late.

 

[Front242]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/covid-ireland-expert-says-omicron-25679046

Mr Streicher said: "Is this the end of the pandemic? No restrictions will be needed to protect hospitals in any way in any country. Gauteng, South Africa has peaked with case levels similar to Delta, but with deaths expected to be 25 times lower.

"Mild, milder, extremely mild. As disease severity increases, the gap with Delta widens. Keep in mind that SA is extremely vulnerable to C-19 with an average IFR(infection fatality ratio) of 0.5%, and 230,000 excess deaths attributable to the virus. The IFR of #Omicron is estimated at 0.053%."

"Gauteng cases have peaked already, and there is only a slight uptick in C-19 deaths. Total confirmed C-19 deaths from #Omicron is estimated at 640 for this wave. Gauteng had 15,400 confirmed C-19 deaths from Delta.