Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

I don't understand that it ever completely lost legs. It's not implausible that poor disposal of bio-hazardous waste let the thing out. I don't see that as "conspiratorial." I guess the politics with China made that hard to say? But I don't know that that means that someone "funded" the pandemic.

Fauci is a serial liar and has been questioned for performing gain of function research with China. I think we know the deal to be honest.

 

[Moxie]

You've been told this before but practically anything mainstream or government based in this case which you linked should be treated with a pinch of salt as they are pushing nothing but their own narrative to get people to take the vaccines. .gov websites clearly are not to be trusted same as our local HSE website who claim to a "trusted sourced". They deliberately manipulate data to suit their agenda. In the case of the Irish HSE, they released figures from April-October to demonstrate how many unvaccinated deaths there were despite the fact that there were practically no people vaccinated in April and the bulk of the population weren't "fully vaccinated" (in quotes as there is no such thing - it's an endless process) until end of August or even later. As of now though, the deaths being reported are almost all fully vaccinated and their lies have been exposed. You need independent proper studies and that stat of unvaccinated people 11x more likely to die from covid should be enough to tell any rational person what they've just read is utter tripe.

https://gript.ie/100-of-covid-deaths-in-last-week-reported-were-amongst-vaccinated-people/

https://gript.ie/scotland-in-october-88-of-covid-related-deaths-were-fully-or-partly-vaccinated/

WAKE UP!

Yes, you've posted this before. So you're saying that gript.ie is a source that you trust. It's listed as conservative and far-right. Just to clarify for myself.

 

[Front242]

 

[Front242]

Yes, you've posted this before. So you're saying that gript.ie is a source that you trust. It's listed as conservative and far-right. Just to clarify for myself.

Yeah I bet you believe that too. Do you realize Johnson and Johnson are one of the chief sources of funding for the so called "factchecks" on vaccines on social media? I mean what could be in it for them to censor vaccine "misinformation" lol.

 

[Front242]

Yes, you've posted this before. So you're saying that gript.ie is a source that you trust. It's listed as conservative and far-right. Just to clarify for myself.

The data is available on the HSE website. They're not manipulating anything. I'll get the link when I have time.

 

[Front242]

 

[Moxie]

^ Good call on the ginger. Great for digestion too. I didn't drink tea until recently and only drink stuff like peppermint tea but I slice some ginger root to add to it and those shakes sound very healthy so kudos.

It's important that it be very fresh, as with all choices. Yes, it is good for digestion, and tummy upset. There is a reason our mothers gave us ginger ale when we were sick. Peppermint also good for stomach upset.

When my mother was in a care home for rehab after being desperately ill with sepsis, she just wouldn't eat. The food was bland and terrible, and she had no appetite, so I started bringing juices. She was a scientist (chemist) and believed in nutrition for health, so she'd drink the nasty stuff I brought. And some of my early experiments were less than successful. Let me remind you again to strain the ginger before you add it to a smoothie. Before I learned that, my mother and I would laugh that I'd brought a drink full of "cat hair." (We're a big pet family.) She'd said she'd cough up that hairball later. When she got her sense of humor back, I knew she was on the mend.

 

[Moxie]

I could be wrong - I saw a video of him saying this on twitter, but now can't find it. A quick Duck search and all I can find is either three or four shots (including all). So maybe six is hyperbole . But I'm sure they'll find a way to keep the booster train going...

I have also heard that a booster for Omicron won't be available for some time yet, and may not be necessary. Delta is still the variant of concern. At some point soon, I do hope that we can just keep it down to an annual shot. I don't think we have to be SO cynical about motivations.

 

[Moxie]

to pay for expensive PCR tests to travel. No coercion at all!

Question: Do you have to pay for your tests in Ireland? Because we don't here in the US. (I'm sure there will be discussion about paying for it on the back end, but, to date, we don't pay for tests here in the US, except if you go to your private doctor, or in my work, when we hire a nurse to administer tests in the office, or on set, so that everyone can get one conveniently and on time.)

 

[Front242]

What do those anti covid vaccines and those pro covid vaccines have in common ?

Neither will ever be fully vaccinated.

 

[Front242]

Question: Do you have to pay for your tests in Ireland? Because we don't here in the US. (I'm sure there will be discussion about paying for it on the back end, but, to date, we don't pay for tests here in the US, except if you go to your private doctor, or in my work, when we hire a nurse to administer tests in the office, or on set, so that everyone can get one conveniently and on time.)

We sure do and that's part of the corruption here. It's gone down in price to I believe around €79 for a PCR test and €39 is the cheapest locally apparently in pharmacies for an antigen test. Our national public advisory dopes NPHET's chief person Philip Nolan (absolute clown, miles off with all his modelling for cases/deaths every time) claimed antigen tests were "snake oil" (his exact words a few months ago) only to back track now probably once they negotiated a nice contract to pay them lots of €€€ for the tests. They're free in the UK too. We're getting screwed over here and they won't even let you eat indoors or go to the pub with an antigen test. A complete mockery over here. Unvaxxed are basically said to have covid even when they don't is the only way to read into that...

Letting all vaxxed in without testing when their limited immunity waned months ago of course is really helping keep the cases down. They haven't a clue what they're doing and it's certainly not about health at this stage or they'd clearly test everyone going in. Closing nightclubs again which was expected and shutting pubs by 11:30 is a tacit acknowledgement that it's by and large the vaxxed are spreading covid since it's hard for the unvaxxed to do it sitting at home when they're not allowed into these places but they'll never publicly admit it in those words.

The government won't be relinquishing their power anytime soon and are quite happy to pit the people against each other and prolong this vaxxed against unvaxxed crap. They're trying hard to turn the people more and more against the unvaxxed to deflect from their incompetence 'cos the healthcare system is a shambles and can't cope due to their lack of ICU beds. It's much easier to deflect than admit your failures.

 

[Front242]

I have also heard that a booster for Omicron won't be available for some time yet, and may not be necessary. Delta is still the variant of concern. At some point soon, I do hope that we can just keep it down to an annual shot. I don't think we have to be SO cynical about motivations.

Not a single person has died so far from Omicron according to the WHO. I'd say anyone who isn't an OAP or seriously immunocompromised would have to have a long, hard chat with themselves as to why they need a booster against a common cold but that's just me.

 

[Moxie]

Not a single person has died so far from Omicron according to the WHO. I'd say anyone who isn't an OAP or seriously immunocompromised would have to have a long, hard chat with themselves as to why they need a booster against a common cold but that's just me.

Dude, there is no cure for the common cold, so you can be pissed off about that. We should be grateful if Omicron is a mild variant. I will be.

 

[Moxie]

We sure do and that's part of the corruption here. It's gone down in price to I believe around €79 for a PCR test and €39 is the cheapest locally apparently in pharmacies for an antigen test. Our national public advisory dopes NPHET's chief person Philip Nolan (absolute clown, miles off with all his modelling for cases/deaths every time) claimed antigen tests were "snake oil" (his exact words a few months ago) only to back track now probably once they negotiated a nice contract to pay them lots of €€€ for the tests. They're free in the UK too. We're getting screwed over here and they won't even let you eat indoors or go to the pub with an antigen test. A complete mockery over here. Unvaxxed are basically said to have covid even when they don't is the only way to read into that...

Letting all vaxxed in without testing when their limited immunity waned months ago of course is really helping keep the cases down. They haven't a clue what they're doing and it's certainly not about health at this stage or they'd clearly test everyone going in. Closing nightclubs again which was expected and shutting pubs by 11:30 is a tacit acknowledgement that it's by and large the vaxxed are spreading covid since it's hard for the unvaxxed to do it sitting at home when they're not allowed into these places but they'll never publicly admit it in those words.

The government won't be relinquishing their power anytime soon and are quite happy to pit the people against each other and prolong this vaxxed against unvaxxed crap. They're trying hard to turn the people more and more against the unvaxxed to deflect from their incompetence 'cos the healthcare system is a shambles and can't cope due to their lack of ICU beds. It's much easier to deflect than admit your failures.

I have to say, for a country with a national health service, I AM shocked that you pay for your own tests, since we have crap health care in the US, and we don't. (As I mentioned, there are exceptions.) As to the rapid (antigen) test, my understanding here is that they have evolved. But also that, in some ways, each has its place, and one isn't necessarily "better" than another. For instance, in my understanding, if I'm going out to dinner with you, tomorrow, and I have cold symptoms, say, or I have been traveling, I get a rapid test to see you, as it is a "snapshot" of my viral load right now, and if I'm clear, I'm good to see you. The PCR test is more about my viral exposure, over time. I may have the science wrong, but it's an interesting difference in the use of tests.

I do have to think that, for people who don't want to vaccinate, making tests free and readily available has to be the way to go.

 

[Moxie]

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but I don't care. Kieran might complain that it's some maudlin plea to the emotions, and Front will dismiss is because it comes from the NYTimes. But I think it's worth reading. A cri-de-coeur from the front lines. At least in the US. This is what I have been hearing from doctors, administrators and nurses over that last 15 months, when I have interviewed 60+ doctors, have been in 8-9 hospitals, and have some idea, because they tell me, of what they are dealing with. I've seen conference rooms turned into covid wards, all kinds of regular wards swathed in plastic sheeting and duct tape. And I've seen really important doctors, heads of departments, reduced to tears when they talk about dealing with this pandemic. This is where I am coming from, but this is the US:

Opinion | I’m an E.R. Doctor in Michigan, Where Unvaccinated People Are Filling Hospital Beds (Published 2021)

With every shift, I see the strain people sick with Covid-19 put on my hospital.

www.nytimes.com

 

[tented]

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but I don't care. Kieran might complain that it's some maudlin plea to the emotions, and Front will dismiss is because it comes from the NYTimes. But I think it's worth reading. A cri-de-couer from the front lines. At least in the US. This is what I have been hearing from doctors, administrators and nurses over that last 15 months, when I have interviewed 60+ doctors, have been in 8-9 hospitals, and have some idea, because they tell me, of what they are dealing with. I've seen conference rooms turned into covid wards, all kinds of regular wards swathed in plastic sheeting and duct tape. And I've seen really important doctors, heads of departments, reduced to tears when they talk about dealing with this pandemic. This is where I am coming from, but this is the US:

Opinion | I’m an E.R. Doctor in Michigan, Where Unvaccinated People Are Filling Hospital Beds (Published 2021)

With every shift, I see the strain people sick with Covid-19 put on my hospital.

www.nytimes.com

I have a cousin who’s an ICU nurse. She has been telling me since this began how horrible it is in her hospital. She spends every day surrounded by death. She‘s also a lifelong Republican who has spent her entire life in the South, but is beyond frustrated at how right-wing media outlets have portrayed covid as fake news. I’m good friends with a group of doctors in Florida — all Trump voters — who are also well aware of the reality of this, and also exasperated that more people haven’t been vaccinated.

 

[Kieran]

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but I don't care. Kieran might complain that it's some maudlin plea to the emotions, and Front will dismiss is because it comes from the NYTimes.

And moxie might decide to interpret others thoughts for them again, making them out to be worse and uncaring than she is.

We unfortunately have these stories here too, and the problem here is possibly similar to everywhere, which is that our hospital service isn’t fit for purpose at the best of times. In Ireland, our health service had to borrow private hospitals to help carry the load. We have a huge backlog in hospital appointments for non-Covid stuff, because the hospitals are dealing largely with covid. And this of course is going to create terrible problems for people who are skipping cancer appointments and other personal health emergencies.

And just to show I’m caring enough, I did mention earlier in the thread that although 52% of our ICU cases are unvaccinated people, only 7% of our country is unvaccinated, so it’s largely unvaccinated people in the ICU here as well. We’re don’t know what other conditions they may have had, but the vaccines have had a positive effect in this regard (as I’ve mentioned before, in case it’s falling on deaf ears)…

 

[Kieran]

I have a cousin who’s an ICU nurse. She has been telling me since this began how horrible it is in her hospital. She spends every day surrounded by death. She‘s also a lifelong Republican who has spent her entire life in the South, but is beyond frustrated at how right-wing media outlets have portrayed covid as fake news. I’m good friends with a group of doctors in Florida — all Trump voters — who are also well aware of the reality of this, and also exasperated that more people haven’t been vaccinated.

I’m still amazed to meet people who think that covid is fake news, but they exist, and I can only think that they’re finding comfort in delusion, to help them cope. They’re certainly not taking it serious enough, and the first issue there is even getting them to believe it exists..

 

[Kieran]

We sure do and that's part of the corruption here. It's gone down in price to I believe around €79 for a PCR test and €39 is the cheapest locally apparently in pharmacies for an antigen test. Our national public advisory dopes NPHET's chief person Philip Nolan (absolute clown, miles off with all his modelling for cases/deaths every time) claimed antigen tests were "snake oil" (his exact words a few months ago) only to back track now probably once they negotiated a nice contract to pay them lots of €€€ for the tests. They're free in the UK too. We're getting screwed over here and they won't even let you eat indoors or go to the pub with an antigen test. A complete mockery over here. Unvaxxed are basically said to have covid even when they don't is the only way to read into that...

Letting all vaxxed in without testing when their limited immunity waned months ago of course is really helping keep the cases down. They haven't a clue what they're doing and it's certainly not about health at this stage or they'd clearly test everyone going in. Closing nightclubs again which was expected and shutting pubs by 11:30 is a tacit acknowledgement that it's by and large the vaxxed are spreading covid since it's hard for the unvaxxed to do it sitting at home when they're not allowed into these places but they'll never publicly admit it in those words.

The government won't be relinquishing their power anytime soon and are quite happy to pit the people against each other and prolong this vaxxed against unvaxxed crap. They're trying hard to turn the people more and more against the unvaxxed to deflect from their incompetence 'cos the healthcare system is a shambles and can't cope due to their lack of ICU beds. It's much easier to deflect than admit your failures.

But these tests are not the HSE tests, right? I mean, if you think you have covid, you get a free test from the health service, but if you need a PCR/antigen test for your own purposes, such as travel or whatever, you pay, right?

My covid test was free, and since I had covid, and the test was on the official HSE register, that’s how I got my second covid cert. We don’t get covid certs if we get a private covid test, even if it’s positive, as far as I know.

As for Nolan saying that, it’s just another example of how inconsiderate they are over here, their inconsistencies and contradictions get swept under the carpet, while their newest diktats are taken as gems - until the inevitable happens and they too fall foul of the broom - destination the carpet.

To tie this up a little with what Tented and Moxie were saying about the hospitals being overrun, the staff being overworked, this has always been a shame of our health service, how underpaid they are. There are people who without any trace of irony blazoned their social media profile pictures with “I’m with the nurses and midwives” badges when the issue was one of pay rises and how they were always passed over for a rise that reflects the work they do, people who were cursing varadkar when he was Taoiseach (prime minister) for his measly excuses, and the same people cheered Varadkar for “keeping us safe, being a hero” while the same underpaid nurses were firefighting at the beginning, when flattening the curve was still a thing. We have the same people running the country who neglected the needs of the nurses, and still do, and the same health tyrants who mismanaged cervical cancer scandal, and asked if the government would be so kind as to not investigate that, but instead, they’d write their own report for the government. Thankfully this didn’t happen.

However, I may be wrong, but I believe there will be no private investigation into the Irish government and health services handling of covid…

 

[Kieran]

Two articles regarding Omicron. In one, Professor O'Neill from Trinity College says:

“Science is going very fast on this one, incredibly. In a week we know a huge amount it,” Prof O’Neil said.

“Last night, there was a bit of breaking news, it looks like it (Omicron) has got a piece of the common cold in it.

“So it has picked up a piece of another virus, a cold virus called 229E and that could make it more like a cold which would be tremendous.”

In the other, the WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said:

Certain features of Omicron, including its global spread and large number of mutations, suggest it could have a major impact on the course of the pandemic. Exactly what that impact will be is still difficult to know

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/top-doctor-luke-oneill-says-22369539

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/covid-om...6ZYhKqQmH6E3F8L0hk6dQQuIHn6L5VuIjz6UAIuUtAx-8