Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Moxie]

Not many are gullible enough to believe that, especially since the study is from cdc.gov lol. You'll have to do better than that, sorry.

Can you tell me what news source(s) you DO find credible? And on the outside chance, something you find so credible that, if they changed their position, say, on vaccines, it might make you think twice?

 

[El Dude]

I'm not clear how that doctor qualifies as a "mainstream scientific take," as he was fired from Baylor for his claims, which are deemed to be unscientific and false, by Baylor. If it were 15 minutes long, I'd give it a listen. At 1 hr. 13 min, it may or may not. I have read some of what he's about, and promise to look more. Leaving off some of the more controversial stuff for now, though, he does seem to agree that monoclonal antibodies work, once the virus is contracted, which I think everyone agrees with. However, for those who are opposed to Big Pharma getting rich off of Covid-19, the monoclonal antibody therapy is VERY expensive. Prevention is cheaper. I guess we all just still disagree on what "prevention" means. Or mostly.

He's mainstream because he's part of the medical establishment. Being fired for a dissenting view doesn't make one not mainstream (or at least what I mean by mainstream - which is basically allopathic, Western medicine).

But no, he's not part of the DOMINANT narrative. I only suggested that video because he's from within that overall medical paradigm, yet dissents from the dominant narrative. Meaning, he's not a naturopath, and seemingly buys the tenets of virology.

But yes, prevention is the way to go - if at all possible. In my view, that means supporting your immune system with easily attainable supplements like Vitamin D, zinc, C, etc; and taking care of yourself in general.

 

[Kieran]

Anyone got any good

This is very much worth listening to, especially for those "with questions" but still want mainstream scientific takes:

This has been a fantastic podcast throughout the emergency. Brett and Heather are so helpful in breaking down the caveats with regards to the vaccine, and they’re good faith players too. They caught a lot of flak from people who think that talking about the vaccine “negatively” - as in, not gushing over it and pushing it urgently on to everybody in the whole world, but suggesting that it might not yet be perfect - is something akin to killing people (this was actually said about them), but we need what they call “better sceptics” to discuss what we’re all going through. We can’t just trust government and big pharma to do our legwork for us.

They have a clips channel as well for the greatest hits of each show, but thanks for this, I’ll have a listen…

 

[El Dude]

Can you tell me what news source(s) you DO find credible? And on the outside chance, something you find so credible that, if they changed their position, say, on vaccines, it might make you think twice?

You're not asking this question of me, but I wanted to throw my two cents in, as someone with a roughly similar view to Front's and who has experienced exactly what you are talking about.

If one of my trusted sources of news radically changed their view, I would hear them out, but it wouldn't necessarily change my view. In truth, I've lost respect for some journalists and sources of information due to their stance on this. So sure, I'd "think twice" - but I'm always thinking twice, and my views aren't formed simply through listening to trusted news sources or journalists or other institutions, but weighing various factors and going with what my head and heart and gut says.

I've been a Leftie/progressive my entire life, and in terms of the British-created Political Compass, find myself in the "left-libertarian" quadrant. I'm not a fan of establishment Democrats, was a big fan of Bernie, and felt really crushed when he lost the primary in both 2016 and 2020. But as a whole, I've become greatly disenchanted with the majority of the Left, with their bending over to the establishment, and what I feel is group-think around many issues. This doesn't make me part of the Right, but more dissociating with the entire political spectrum and not trusting any mainstream media outlet - be it the obvious culprits of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, but also NYT, WaPo, even NPR. On the other hand, that doesn't make me beholden to any heterodox view.

But in reference to your question to Front, I am very disappointed with a lot of the so-called "progressive left," with what I feel is a kind of hypocrisy around civil liberties and an adherence to authoritarianism, and stopped listening to a lot of the folks I used to listen to. The last year or two has been very revealing in that regard, and de-stabilizing for me as I don't feel aligned with any particular group or ideology, more individuals here and there that stand outside of the two dominant tribes that dominate the discourse (that is, "Team Blue" and "Team Red") - and their various aligned smaller tribes. In fact, whenever I find a pundit or analyst playing the old bi-partisan game, I find it an instant turnoff.

So my own "trusted sources" tend to be those that are independent from tribal, group thinking, be it Left, Right, pro or anti. I don't need to agree with everything someone says to find truth in some of what they say, but I do need to feel like they aren't just parroting whatever party-line they are aligned with.

 

[Kieran]

50% of people in Ireland have skipped their appointment for the booster jab:

https://m.independent.ie/world-news...rP4iJWu8wEYRrGL29fUxg6KIe7xsy9RDUyE8zCWYFWVIo

Our Taoiseach (prime minister) “also indicated the roll-out of Pfizer vaccines to healthy children aged five to 11 is likely to start in early 2022.”

I’ll leave that worrying contradiction here for us to chew on…

 

[tented]

Anyone got any good

This has been a fantastic podcast throughout the emergency. Brett and Heather are so helpful in breaking down the caveats with regards to the vaccine, and they’re good faith players too. They caught a lot of flak from people who think that talking about the vaccine “negatively” - as in, not gushing over it and pushing it urgently on to everybody in the whole world, but suggesting that it might not yet be perfect - is something akin to killing people (this was actually said about them), but we need what they call “better sceptics” to discuss what we’re all going through. We can’t just trust government and big pharma to do our legwork for us.

They have a clips channel as well for the greatest hits of each show, but thanks for this, I’ll have a listen…

They were on Bill Maher earlier this year to discuss the lab-leak hypothesis.

 

[Kieran]

They were on Bill Maher earlier this year to discuss the lab-leak hypothesis.

Thanks for that, I think the lab leak hypothesis is gaining legs. Of course, if it’s true, then who funded the pandemic becomes an issue…

 

[El Dude]

Pfizer CEO is saying that the Omicron booster will be a three-part vaccine. So now we're up to SIX total jabs. My, my.

 

[Kieran]

Pfizer CEO is saying that the Omicron booster will be a three-part vaccine. So now we're up to SIX total jabs. My, my.

Is that separate to the original vaccine?

 

[El Dude]

I could be wrong - I saw a video of him saying this on twitter, but now can't find it. A quick Duck search and all I can find is either three or four shots (including all). So maybe six is hyperbole . But I'm sure they'll find a way to keep the booster train going...

 

[Kieran]

I could be wrong - I saw a video of him saying this on twitter, but now can't find it. A quick Duck search and all I can find is either three or four shots (including all). So maybe six is hyperbole . But I'm sure they'll find a way to keep the booster train going...

I wonder why the vaccines didn’t come with some sort of guarantee. I mean, they knew enough about them to pass them as being safe, but they didn’t know enough about them to know they couldn’t hold their water for longer than a season. And who knows what wonder they do have to discover about them?

So the EU buy a shedload of them, and now they’re told they have to fork out for more?

I hope they had a clause in the contract saying the big pharma gangs have to foot the bill if the product doesn’t do what they promised, but I doubt it. The bill eventually will be passed on to the people.

 

[Kieran]

I could be wrong - I saw a video of him saying this on twitter, but now can't find it. A quick Duck search and all I can find is either three or four shots (including all). So maybe six is hyperbole . But I'm sure they'll find a way to keep the booster train going...

This is probably related to that:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...2iTsaY91UtFNwhgDvRkjQ7d4dyOX9ObKuPxACvZm0a5GI

So bear in mind we’re less than five months after Pfizer said their vaccine might give lifetime protection - and now we’re already writing off the third dose but bigging up the fourth?

 

[El Dude]

I wonder why the vaccines didn’t come with some sort of guarantee. I mean, they knew enough about them to pass them as being safe, but they didn’t know enough about them to know they couldn’t hold their water for longer than a season. And who knows what wonder they do have to discover about them?

So the EU buy a shedload of them, and now they’re told they have to fork out for more?

I hope they had a clause in the contract saying the big pharma gangs have to foot the bill if the product doesn’t do what they promised, but I doubt it. The bill eventually will be passed on to the people.

As you know, the pharma corporations can't be held legally responsible for them because of the PREP Act. This protection lasts until 2024.

Further, the FDA wants 55 years before releasing the data from Pfizer that they used to authorize the vaccine, some of which we know: that of 42,000 people reported through Feb 28, 2021, 1223 died. That's right, 1223. That's about 3%.

We don't know how many of those 1223 were directly related to the vaccine, but that's a very high number. We also know that in the US, close to 20,000 vaccine related deaths have been reported on VAERS; as a general rule, the VAERS numbers are considered to be hugely under-reported. So even if some of those are fake (although that is doubtful), the actual number could be many times that.

Yet it is considered "anti-vax" (and anti-science) to have questions. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread, but Merriam Webster even changed the definition of "anti-vax" to include being opposed to vaccine mandates.

 

[Kieran]

As you know, the pharma corporations can't be held legally responsible for them because of the PREP Act. This protection lasts until 2024.

Further, the FDA wants 55 years before releasing the data from Pfizer that they used to authorize the vaccine, some of which we know: that of 42,000 people reported through Feb 28, 2021, 1223 died. That's right, 1223. That's about 3%.

We don't know how many of those 1223 were directly related to the vaccine, but that's a very high number. We also know that in the US, close to 20,000 vaccine related deaths have been reported on VAERS; as a general rule, the VAERS numbers are considered to be hugely under-reported. So even if some of those are fake (although that is doubtful), the actual number could be many times that.

Yet it is considered "anti-vax" (and anti-science) to have questions. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread, but Merriam Webster even changed the definition of "anti-vax" to include being opposed to vaccine mandates.

Yeah, I saw that, Marriam Webster used to be the online dictionary I had bookmarked, but obviously not any more. I’ve heard of other politically motivated changes they’ve made to the dictionary, which automatically renders them unreliable.

3% is far higher than the number dying from the virus, eh? But as you say, “We don't know how many of those 1223 were directly related to the vaccine” - still, it’s a lot…

 

[Front242]

Can you tell me what news source(s) you DO find credible? And on the outside chance, something you find so credible that, if they changed their position, say, on vaccines, it might make you think twice?

You've been told this before but practically anything mainstream or government based in this case which you linked should be treated with a pinch of salt as they are pushing nothing but their own narrative to get people to take the vaccines. .gov websites clearly are not to be trusted same as our local HSE website who claim to a "trusted sourced". They deliberately manipulate data to suit their agenda. In the case of the Irish HSE, they released figures from April-October to demonstrate how many unvaccinated deaths there were despite the fact that there were practically no people vaccinated in April and the bulk of the population weren't "fully vaccinated" (in quotes as there is no such thing - it's an endless process) until end of August or even later. As of now though, the deaths being reported are almost all fully vaccinated and their lies have been exposed. You need independent proper studies and that stat of unvaccinated people 11x more likely to die from covid should be enough to tell any rational person what they've just read is utter tripe.

https://gript.ie/100-of-covid-deaths-in-last-week-reported-were-amongst-vaccinated-people/

https://gript.ie/scotland-in-october-88-of-covid-related-deaths-were-fully-or-partly-vaccinated/

WAKE UP!

 

[Front242]

https://gript.ie/study-covid-19-deaths-for-children-5-11-without-comorbidities-almost-non-existent/

STUDY: Covid-19 deaths for children 5-11 without comorbidities almost non-existent​

^ This is a proper non government affiliated study and the scum in Ireland and indeed all over the world are now already/and/or preparing to jab kids at will with this crap with zero long term health studies when practically NONE of them need it and the vaccines don't even stop transmission. Just to make scum pharma companies rich! And the support from the scum people in society who actually want to vaccinate their kids with this crap is frightening.

 

[Front242]

50% of people in Ireland have skipped their appointment for the booster jab:

https://m.independent.ie/world-news...rP4iJWu8wEYRrGL29fUxg6KIe7xsy9RDUyE8zCWYFWVIo

Our Taoiseach (prime minister) “also indicated the roll-out of Pfizer vaccines to healthy children aged five to 11 is likely to start in early 2022.”

I’ll leave that worrying contradiction here for us to chew on…

I'd like to think it was mostly people waking up but they say there are many IT issues and people got invited for multiple jabs and weren't able to cancel on the HSE system so it's going down as a no show when in fact they got their boosters, but definitely from reading comments online many won't be getting any boosters also.

They're easily coerced though and my guess is an ultimatum will be given sometime close to Feb 2022 when they'll say if you don't get your booster within say 9 months of your last jab your "privileges" aka covid pass will be revoked/voided and no more going to eat indoors or pubs/clubs and you'll be treated like a leper like the unvaxxed and then they'll change their minds...

Laughable that our glorious leader claims he's proud they didn't need to coerce anyone to get to the high proportion of adults vaccinated. Yeah sure they didn't. No jab, no pub/eating indoors/now have to pay for expensive PCR tests to travel. No coercion at all!

On the other hand, it takes a lot to coerce rational people of which I am one and that's why they like to publicly shame us by blaming us for their shambles of a healthcare system with lack of ICU beds cos turning the people against each other is an easy way to deflect from their incompetence and the majority are so fucking dumb they swallow it up and side with the government and everything is the fault of bad leper unvaxxed who cause all this trouble sitting at home 'cos we're not allowed into any pubs/clubs and restaurants. Couldn't make it up and yet so many are too blind to see it.

 

[Moxie]

He's mainstream because he's part of the medical establishment. Being fired for a dissenting view doesn't make one not mainstream (or at least what I mean by mainstream - which is basically allopathic, Western medicine).

But no, he's not part of the DOMINANT narrative. I only suggested that video because he's from within that overall medical paradigm, yet dissents from the dominant narrative. Meaning, he's not a naturopath, and seemingly buys the tenets of virology.

But yes, prevention is the way to go - if at all possible. In my view, that means supporting your immune system with easily attainable supplements like Vitamin D, zinc, C, etc; and taking care of yourself in general.

Personally, I'd say being fired for discredited science doesn't make you part of the mainstream, however much you have ever been a western medicine doctor. I know you will say something like flying against the prevailing winds doesn't make him a quack, and perhaps he is just unconventional, and will be proven right, in the end. But I do think of Andrew Wakefield, who was a doctor, (now stripped of his license) and started the whole anti-vaxx thing with his now completely discredited connection of MMR vaccines to autism, which has had a lasting impact on the world. For ill.

That said, I watched @tented's Bill Maher clip above with the team from the Dark Horse podcast. I'd seen it before, and it's worth the revisit, because it's dense information. But it inclines me to try the feature-length one you posted, because they are very credible. It's worth noting, I thought, that they don't have a problem with the way the virus was recreated for the purposes of the vaccine.

On the prevention and personal side, I don't take a load of supplements in pill form, but I'm a fan of juicing. Basically my morning smoothie, but I have no fear of adding spinach, kale, veggies, fruits, and ginger juice, which is very good for you. (I make it by pulping fresh ginger in filtered water, strain out the fibers, then keep a jar in the fridge.) Lemon, garlic and jalapeños are also good add-ins. Tumeric. Fresh herbs. I make different ones every day, and depending on the needs, inspiration, and what's on hand. Aside from that, I cook at home, keep it as fresh and seasonal as possible, veggie-based, though I do eat meat. And I run every day. (That's my Vitamin D, and my meditation, though I try to do a short meditation at home daily. Stretching and breathing properly at some point daily should not be neglected.) That's my 2 cents on prevention methods.

 

[Moxie]

Thanks for that, I think the lab leak hypothesis is gaining legs. Of course, if it’s true, then who funded the pandemic becomes an issue…

I don't understand that it ever completely lost legs. It's not implausible that poor disposal of bio-hazardous waste let the thing out. I don't see that as "conspiratorial." I guess the politics with China made that hard to say? But I don't know that that means that someone "funded" the pandemic.

 

[Front242]

^ Good call on the ginger. Great for digestion too. I didn't drink tea until recently and only drink stuff like peppermint tea but I slice some ginger root to add to it and those shakes sound very healthy so kudos.