Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Moxie]

Yes, it does help actually, and thanks for answering. Rather than the Divide and Conquer Tit For Tat we are experiencing on this thread... maybe we should all put forward our own little "history" of why we have arrived at our current viewpoints... so others can understand, if not agree on why we have made our decisions.

Ok, then, you next.

 

[britbox]

Ok, then, you next.

Ha, ha. Be careful what you wished for. I'll put it together tomorrow.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Exactly. It’s horrible when somebody deliberately misrepresents you, to put you in a bad light, isn’t it?

You didn’t say that, and Front didn’t call covid victims losers. You take offence at what I did, which to show you how bad it was what you did to Front.

Strange world, isn’t it?

Huh.. Are you trying to say "offense"? Spelling gets tricky when you are using a smartphone. Is Front a mob boss and you are his consigliere! What's in this for you? Why would you stick your neck out for him when its very obvious why Moxie said " How wrong of her just to be old. How wrong of so many to have had cancer in the past, or present, that made them more vulnerable. And how wrong of their families to think that they might have lived longer, but for Covid. The time we have with our loved ones is precious. For you to toss off the notion that they would have died anyway, not "from" but "with" Covid, is cynical and heartless."

What's the difference in her calling him heartless and I'm saying that your bloke has a black heart in regards to COVID 19 victims? What is perplexing to me is that you Kieran had Covid and its symptoms. I don't know your age or your health situation but can you imagine an advanced Senior or someone who doesn't have health care trying to battle what you went through. I mentioned previously of someone I know lost her best friend to COVID. The lady had cancer and had been treating it for years without any severe issues. That woman's daughter was having a baby shower and ask her to come to her home to decorate for her special day. Unknowingly there were others there who had Covid which was unknown but verified later when the cancer victim tested positive. My friend said she saw her best friend from a distance one day and she thought she was getting better. The lady died a few weeks later due to Covid related issues not Cancer. Do you realize how devastated her poor daughter is? She has to lived with the ill time decision to have her mother decorate her home instead of practicing social distancing. My friend had Covid herself double pneumonia in May of 2020 and was the next step from being on the ventilator. Can you imagine how she feels about all of this. Do think any of that deceased woman's loved ones feel that the cancer was going to take her life anyway. Yes, Kieran your bloke Front is heartless and he has zero solutions to fight Covid for someone who is vulnerable especially for the Elderly and the Obese. Yet, he is not a scientist or a medical professional but you and Bribox champion his campaign against Big Pharma and government.

 

[the AntiPusher]

AP - You do realise these guys live in Ireland? The Black population is less than 1.5%. Has it occurred to you that they might not being taking the vaccine or boosters for reasons other than race? I know Americans think they are the epicentre of the planet, but how about a little humility from your end? People arrive at their own conclusions for not taking this vaccine or letting their kids be jabbed from it... not least, the mass propaganda and massive amounts of money being made by Big Pharma, or those in decision-making positions being completely compromised by conflicts of interest, or in some cases far far worse.

BB-,It doesn't matter where they reside in but they should not use terms they don't understand their meaning. Both of them have more than two years plus to know what BLM truly means and when you say ALL LIVES MATTER is just a way for the other WING used to lessen the movement of BLM. I don't use terms that are local in other countries without knowing the ramifications. Do you think when I travel to South America for work I would use terms to make the locals uncomfortable just because I saw on FOX NEWS or some foreign news network. Yes, people can arrive at their own conclusions but if they are not Scientists or medical professionals who deal with Covid 19 related daily, don't knock others who do TRUST the SCIENCE" : It's a foundational element of any relationship, but for the mutual benefit of the scientific enterprise and the people who support it, trust is essential. Simply put, a scientific endeavor that is not trusted by the public cannot adequately contribute to society and will be diminished as a result"

 

[Kieran]

Huh.. Are you trying to say "offense"?

No, I’m saying “offence.” I can’t help it if some Americans don’t know the original spelling of words.

. Yes, Kieran your bloke Front is heartless and he has zero solutions to fight Covid for someone who is vulnerable especially for the Elderly and the Obese. Yet, he is not a scientist or a medical professional but you and Bribox champion his campaign against Big Pharma and government.

I skipped the bits before this because although they’re anecdotal and I have some sympathy, they’re not the substance of this strand of the discussion. Leaving aside that we both now agree that Front didn’t call anyone “losers”, you have decided that Front is heartless as a strategic expedient to deny what been said and asked of you based on official statistics, which is that covid adversely affects the old and immunity-compromised more than it affects the young and healthy.

Do you agree with this? This is The Science, and you say you’re following the science.

What do you answer to these two questions, which I have backed up earlier with links from official medical sources and journals:

Do you accept from this that the older we get, the more in danger we are?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?

 

[Kieran]

BB-,It doesn't matter where they reside in but they should not use terms they don't understand their meaning. Both of them have more than two years plus to know what BLM truly means and when you say ALL LIVES MATTER is just a way for the other WING used to lessen the movement of BLM.

Yes, I know about BLM and I know the stock reply to somebody who says All Lives Matter.

But please, if you want a thread discussion American politics, that’s here. Take your BLM stuff there. This thread is about covid. Don’t try turn the thread into one about race, gender or whatever else is the fashionable outrage in America today…

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yes, I know about BLM and I know the stock reply to somebody who says All Lives Matter.

But please, if you want a thread discussion American politics, that’s here. Take your BLM stuff there. This thread is about covid. Don’t try turn the thread into one about race, gender or whatever else is the fashionable outrage in America today…

No..No.. You opted to be consigliere for your bloke Front. You stuck your nose into it without vetting why he used it. Front brought it up because he didn't properly comprehend what Moxie meant. Then he tried to switch it to ALL LIVES MATTER which was asinine. Now since you have stuck your thoughts in it and BB want me to have some humility because you reside in Ireland. I went straight at Front's post and would have left it there but you felt compelled to try to be the smartest guy in the room. I would say let it go but We know you are not built like that. The last word is always your haven so have at it... Enjoy.

 

[the AntiPusher]

No, I’m saying “offence.” I can’t help it if some Americans don’t know the original spelling of words.

I skipped the bits before this because although they’re anecdotal and I have some sympathy, they’re not the substance of this strand of the discussion. Leaving aside that we both now agree that Front didn’t call anyone “losers”, you have decided that Front is heartless as a strategic expedient to deny what been said and asked of you based on official statistics, which is that covid adversely affects the old and immunity-compromised more than it affects the young and healthy.

Do you agree with this? This is The Science, and you say you’re following the science.

What do you answer to these two questions, which I have backed up earlier with links from official medical sources and journals:

You are always try to be the smartest guy in the room. Its a bit immature but it is who you are. We are brothers still, but we differ on so many views but that is what makes the world. I will give your Bloke a break because he has swam out to the deep part of the sea and don't have the endurance to make it back to shore.

 

[Kieran]

No..No.. You opted to be consigliere for your bloke Front. You stuck your nose into it without vetting why he used it. Front brought it up because he didn't properly comprehend what Moxie meant. Then he tried to switch it to ALL LIVES MATTER which was asinine. Now since you have stuck your thoughts in it and BB want me to have some humility because you reside in Ireland. I went straight at Front's post and would have left it there but you felt compelled to try to be the smartest guy in the room. I would say let it go but We know you are not built like that. The last word is always your haven so have at it... Enjoy.

So you still can’t answer the questions? I can only take that as meaning that you agree with me - and The Science - with regards to the answers.

That’s good.

As for the rest of it, if you want to avoid a question in a debate, the better strategy is to change the subject. Tried and tested. But to get personal? That’s an admission of defeat , bro...

 

[Front242]

Bloke, you are narrow minded and have the comprehension issues that i stated numerous times before. You took this statement ""How ill-considered of so many to be Brown or Black, and lower-class, and thereby much more susceptible to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, based on historically undermining circumstances. Not to mention having to carry on in jobs that exposed them to the virus." Then you mentioned BLM and then finished with ALL LIVES Matter. " What did BLM have to do with "Brown or BLACK". There are Brown or BLACK (Indians, Asians, Latins) yet your comprehension went straight for BLM then ALL LIVES Matter. Now COMPREHENDE this! or do you need Kieran to start using his Catholic religion to justify your statement.

Oh ffs, AP. Give it a break. You clearly don't even know what she meant and accused me of starting it when I didn't mention a single damn thing about race in this thread. It's clearly not me who has comprehension issues. Also how do you know I'm not black, brown, Asian, Indian or Latin ? People are more likely to be fat if they eat crap daily but she felt the need to delegate race to this and not me so take it up with Moxie who even had the audacity to include this horseshit in her post to me also. "How nice to be young and healthy. How nice to be white and middle-class." Again, totally unnecessary and assuming of course I'm white but bizarre post to bring race into a covid discussion when people of all races are dying daily.

 

[Kieran]

You are always try to be the smartest guy in the room. Its a bit immature but it is who you are. We are brothers still, but we differ on so many views but that is what makes the world. I will give your Bloke a break because he has swam out to the deep part of the sea and don't have the endurance to make it back to shore.

Give him a break? You flat out lied about him

 

[Front242]

Huh.. Are you trying to say "offense"? Spelling gets tricky when you are using a smartphone. Is Front a mob boss and you are his consigliere! What's in this for you? Why would you stick your neck out for him when its very obvious why Moxie said " How wrong of her just to be old. How wrong of so many to have had cancer in the past, or present, that made them more vulnerable. And how wrong of their families to think that they might have lived longer, but for Covid. The time we have with our loved ones is precious. For you to toss off the notion that they would have died anyway, not "from" but "with" Covid, is cynical and heartless."

What's the difference in her calling him heartless and I'm saying that your bloke has a black heart in regards to COVID 19 victims? What is perplexing to me is that you Kieran had Covid and its symptoms. I don't know your age or your health situation but can you imagine an advanced Senior or someone who doesn't have health care trying to battle what you went through. I mentioned previously of someone I know lost her best friend to COVID. The lady had cancer and had been treating it for years without any severe issues. That woman's daughter was having a baby shower and ask her to come to her home to decorate for her special day. Unknowingly there were others there who had Covid which was unknown but verified later when the cancer victim tested positive. My friend said she saw her best friend from a distance one day and she thought she was getting better. The lady died a few weeks later due to Covid related issues not Cancer. Do you realize how devastated her poor daughter is? She has to lived with the ill time decision to have her mother decorate her home instead of practicing social distancing. My friend had Covid herself double pneumonia in May of 2020 and was the next step from being on the ventilator. Can you imagine how she feels about all of this. Do think any of that deceased woman's loved ones feel that the cancer was going to take her life anyway. Yes, Kieran your bloke Front is heartless and he has zero solutions to fight Covid for someone who is vulnerable especially for the Elderly and the Obese. Yet, he is not a scientist or a medical professional but you and Bribox champion his campaign against Big Pharma and government.

What a load of crap. Did you not read where I typed "You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ?" Enlighten me please on how I'm heartless in light of me saying I'm not happy to see people dying. I'm waiting.

Onto your next part he has zero solutions to fight Covid for someone who is vulnerable especially for the Elderly and the Obese.

You can't help being old but you CAN help being obese so anyone could answer that and you clearly don't need to be a medical professional or scientist to understand eating poor foods makes you fat and that proper diet and exercise means less chance of being obese. Like a blind man at a nudist beach, it's not hard...

As for the elderly, well, that's why they're getting vaccinated and boosters so either you have faith in the vaccines or you don't.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Give him a break? You flat out lied about him

You totally ignore my post of your history with having Covid and Front's reclassification of deaths. I didn't lie.

 

[Kieran]

You totally ignore my post of your history with having Covid and Front's reclassification of deaths. I didn't lie.

You lied about him calling Covid victims “losers”, I’ve asked you several times where you got that quote from, and you’ve avoided it.

My own personal history with having covid is irrelevant to the discussion, but it was a breeze for me. I’m not sure what you mean about Fronts “reclassification of deaths” but I’d like to see an exact and clear example, not your prejudiced interpretation of what he’s saying.

By the way, you follow The Science on Covid, do you?

 

[the AntiPusher]

What a load of crap. Did you not read where I typed "You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ?" Enlighten me please on how I'm heartless in light of me saying I'm not happy to see people dying. I'm waiting.

Onto your next part he has zero solutions to fight Covid for someone who is vulnerable especially for the Elderly and the Obese.

You can't help being old but you CAN help being obese so anyone could answer that and you clearly don't need to be a medical professional or scientist to understand eating poor foods makes you fat and that proper diet and exercise means less chance of being obese. Like a blind man at a nudist beach, it's not hard...

As for the elderly, well, that's why they're getting vaccinated and boosters so either you have faith in the vaccines or you don't.

Moxie stated that you are heartless.. I said that you have a black heart. Reread your post and get your boy to counsel you are what you wrote.

Here is what you wrote"

I've had it up to here with clowns on local forums freaking out over what is basically nothing and claiming they were lucky they took the vaccine or they may have ended up in hospital/ICU or died and then blaming the unvaxxed while they go out and drink themselves silly in pubs and clubs full of riddled vaxxed mingling in packed venues with no checks on entry except scan their phone app or piece of paper. Laughable. And they say we're the supposed loons for not taking a vaccine that in essence serves no purpose for the majority. The irony! I mean, seriously, how many people do you know die from those symptoms ? Those vaccines are helping a VERY SMALL proportion of people from dying 'cos most have practically ZERO chance of dying from covid.

 

[the AntiPusher]

You lied about him calling Covid victims “losers”, I’ve asked you several times where you got that quote from, and you’ve avoided it.

Front words :

In 99% of cases people are overweight or unhealthy due to lifestyle choices. If you eat crap every day and don't exercise you get fat and potentially heart disease and diabetes. If you drink heavily you get cirrhosis. If you smoke a ton you get lung cancer. This is choice.

you CAN help being massively overweight through proper diet and exercise and you can stop smoking and drinking. Unhealthy people changing their lifestyles re diet, exercise, smoking, drugs, drinking would be a lot more beneficial to them than getting jabbed 3 times a year with a new vaccine. Then there would be less covid deaths

Do you want him to say the actual word " L"

My own personal history with having covid is irrelevant to the discussion, but it was a breeze for me. I’m not sure what you mean about Fronts “reclassification of deaths” but I’d like to see an exact and clear example, not your prejudiced interpretation of what he’s saying.

By the way, you follow The Science on Covid, do you?

 

[Kieran]

Front words :

In 99% of cases people are overweight or unhealthy due to lifestyle choices. If you eat crap every day and don't exercise you get fat and potentially heart disease and diabetes. If you drink heavily you get cirrhosis. If you smoke a ton you get lung cancer. This is choice.

you CAN help being massively overweight through proper diet and exercise and you can stop smoking and drinking. Unhealthy people changing their lifestyles re diet, exercise, smoking, drugs, drinking would be a lot more beneficial to them than getting jabbed 3 times a year with a new vaccine. Then there would be less covid deaths

Do you want him to say the actual word " L"

But he’s correct in what he’s saying. You may not like the way he’s saying it, you may disagree with the word “choices”, but in substance, when talking about who is most vulnerable to covid, he’s right. You can help yourself and improve your health by even taking small steps. Bear in mind that Covid takes advantage of the most unhealthy and vulnerable. You agree with that, no?

That’s The Science.

You’ve about 3 questions pending that you’ve avoided answering. I’ll group them, their pertinent to the thread. If you answer the first question with a “yes” then don’t bother with the second and third, because your answer there will be taken to be “yes” as well:

You follow The Science on Covid, do you?

Do you accept that the older we get, the more in danger we are from covid?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?

 

[Front242]

Front words :

In 99% of cases people are overweight or unhealthy due to lifestyle choices. If you eat crap every day and don't exercise you get fat and potentially heart disease and diabetes. If you drink heavily you get cirrhosis. If you smoke a ton you get lung cancer. This is choice.

you CAN help being massively overweight through proper diet and exercise and you can stop smoking and drinking. Unhealthy people changing their lifestyles re diet, exercise, smoking, drugs, drinking would be a lot more beneficial to them than getting jabbed 3 times a year with a new vaccine. Then there would be less covid deaths

Do you want him to say the actual word " L"

What the actual fuck, man ? Where did I call overweight and unhealthy people losers? I've lost count of the number of times you've accused me of stuff I never said.

 

[the AntiPusher]

But he’s correct in what he’s saying. You may not like the way he’s saying it, you may disagree with the word “choices”, but in substance, when talking about who is most vulnerable to covid, he’s right. You can help yourself and improve your health by even taking small steps. Bear in mind that Covid takes advantage of the most unhealthy and vulnerable. You agree with that, no?

That’s The Science.

You’ve about 3 questions pending that you’ve avoided answering. I’ll group them, their pertinent to the thread. If you answer the first question with a “yes” then don’t bother with the second and third, because your answer there will be taken to be “yes” as well:

You follow The Science on Covid, do you?

Do you accept that the older we get, the more in danger we are from covid?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?

Kieran.. I not going that silly rabbit hole with you in regards to the Science and you damn well I don't EVER agree with you about having the right of choice when your one choice can eventually affect thousands and ruin households. Don't ask open ended questions with zero merit. I find it very careless to try to politicize a vaccine with a right or choice because your issues with big Pharma and government mandates. I see you avoided my post about the lady with cancer which I assume you agree with me.

 

[the AntiPusher]

What the actual fuck, man ? Where did I call overweight and unhealthy people losers?

So your solution is for people to quit smoking, exercise and eat healthy but no vaccine or mask mandates. So the pandemic will end 2022. 23, 24 or later in the decade? You are Kieran's residence MD and this should be something you are prepared to address very swiftly.