Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
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It’s difficult to quote your post, AP, because you posted it without noticing that you’d gotten stuck in the quotations. But it’s not helpful or true to describe Front as having a black heart, I think don’t any of us here are acting in bad faith, and using that provocatively isn’t a substitute for cogent argument. For instance, while we’d all agree ‘that maybe some people have "reasons " for having vices like smoking, drinking, non and prescription drug addiction. That's doesn't make them LOSERS,’ we should all also agree that many people fall into vice gleefully and are therefore the cause of their own misery.

But the main point isn’t whether or not they’re at fault or whether they’re victims of how God made them - the main point is that The Science too has located Co-morbidities with regards to the dangers of covid, so people are armed with choices in how to combat this - if we’re lucky.

There’s no point in being fatalistic and absolving ourselves of personal responsibility for our health by saying, “ahh well, it’s not my fault I don’t exercise, I eat shit and drink a chunk every night in front of the telly, somebody else has to keep me safe “

Of course, there are people who have no choice in the physical ailments they have and I bet you any amount of money that Front knows this, but these are the issues we face with covid, and the fewer health problems we already have, the stronger our immunity, the better armed we are to face this.

I think it’s better if we remove the personal and emotional from the discussion as best we can, difficult as that can be, and deal only with what we know, and what we think we know..
First you said you wasn't a cosigner for Front's post but now you are acting as part of his "cousin Vinny's legal team ". If you want to stand up for Front than so be it.
This pandemic was revealed the true character of a lot of people including Front's crusade of how this vaccine will affect the "losers" who isn't living a healthy lifestyle by his standards. The longer this pandemic lingers on, the probability that Front unvaccinated body and my quadrupled vaccine vaccinated body will catch Covid like you did. Hopefully, in my case, it would only be the "common cold".
 
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I haven’t noticed over here that any government officials or NPHET have addressed the waning power of the vaccines. They haven’t mentioned that they promised one thing, but were unable to deliver through no fault of their own. I think it would be appreciated if they were more humble in this regard and reminded us that they’re not infallible and they may not get everything right. Most of us would understand this. But they continue to push every restriction as if they know what they’re doing, and never acknowledge that they did this with things that were subsequently proven to be wrong, and sometimes fatally wrong.

Even now, forcing masks onto infants contradicts their own instructions with regards to masks. “Not suitable for under 13s”.

By the way, I was under the impression that NPHET was disbanding, but who turns down a cushy number? I’ve always said that we shouldn’t be getting threatening messages from career civil servants who aren’t elected to make choices for us. They should advise the government and the government can outline their policy and reasons. But having divisive figures like the same people who were responsible for the cervical cancer catastrophe, and its attempted cover up, putting the fear in us daily on the mainstream media is truly galling…

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It's unbelievable that the head honcho responsible for the cervical cancer scandal is basically running the whole country now. The government are cowards and listen to everything NPHET tell them and it's not just masks, they're contradicting themselves on everything. Disgraceful. No chance NPHET will be disbanding anytime soon unfortunately.
 
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First you said you wasn't a cosigner for Front's post but now you are acting as part of his "cousin Vinny's legal team ". If you want to stand up for Front than so be it.
How is he standing up for me and frankly the notion that I have a black heart is a joke and Moxie saying I think the old and immunocomprised got what they deserved? Absolute nonsense from both of you. You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ? I can't do a single thing to stop someone being 85 years old, nor can I do a single thing to stop a person being 300lbs. Is that my fault cos you seem to think it is?!
 
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First you said you wasn't a cosigner for Front's post but now you are acting as part of his "cousin Vinny's legal team ". If you want to stand up for Front than so be it.
This pandemic was revealed the true character of a lot of people including Front's crusade of how this vaccine will affect the "losers" who isn't living a healthy lifestyle by his standards. The longer this pandemic lingers on, the probability that Front unvaccinated body and my quadrupled vaccine vaccinated body will catch Covid like you did. Hopefully, in my case, it would only be the "common cold".
Can you point me to the post where Front used the word "losers?" I've gone back ten pages here, and used the main site search function, and it hasn't shown up, yet you've quoted him several times as having said this.

Tell me, do you believe that the statistics regarding elderly being most at risk from fatalities with covid are lying? Because as of 1 December, these are the age groups of Covid fatalities in the USA:

0-17 --- 630
18-29 --- 4618
30-39 --- 13628
40-49 --- 33168
50-64 --- 143,141
65-74 --- 176,771
75-84 --- 201,398
85+ ---206,038

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Do you accept from this that the older we get, the more in danger we are?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?
 

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How is he standing up for me and frankly the notion that I have a black heart is a joke and Moxie saying I think the old and immunocomprised got what they deserved? Absolute nonsense from both of you. You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ? I can't do a single thing to stop someone being 85 years old, nor can I do a single thing to stop a person being 300lbs. Is that my fault cos you seem to think it is?!
Front you look down on the unfortunate. Either because they are advanced senior citizens or obese individuals who's immune system makes them more vulnerable to catching Covid. That's irresponsible thinking that you are now the victim because of their situation. Where did someone say it's Front's fault. As far as the All Lives Matter comment, it shows that you don't have a true pulse of the challenges that people of color suffer every day either medically or socially. I told you before, if you want to spit out your data to why you don't want to get vaccine vaccinated it's your choice. But quit playing the victim of a society that trust the science and the measures that are being enforced to support vetted rules and regulations to try to minimize the spread of Covid 19.
 

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Can you point me to the post where Front used the word "losers?" I've gone back ten pages here, and used the main site search function, and it hasn't shown up, yet you've quoted him several times as having said this.

Tell me, do you believe that the statistics regarding elderly being most at risk from fatalities with covid are lying? Because as of 1 December, these are the age groups of Covid fatalities in the USA:

0-17 --- 630
18-29 --- 4618
30-39 --- 13628
40-49 --- 33168
50-64 --- 143,141
65-74 --- 176,771
75-84 --- 201,398
85+ ---206,038

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Do you accept from this that the older we get, the more in danger we are?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?
Why do you feel compelled to be his legal team. Front has always appeared to have worn his version of his big boy trousers.

Here's something that you can defend. Explain why he said All Lives Matter when the previous poster was just explaining how this pandemic has affected certain parts of society who may not have access to advance medical professionals and care. How did he turn this into a Black Lives Matter discussion or is that just the way he feels while he has little empathy towards the high risk for Covid 19 community.
 

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Why do you feel compelled to be his legal team. Front has always appeared to have worn his version of his big boy trousers.

Here's something that you can defend. Explain why he said All Lives Matter when the previous poster was just explaining how this pandemic has affected certain parts of society who may not have access to advance medical professionals and care. How did he turn this into a Black Lives Matter discussion or is that just the way he feels while he has little empathy towards the high risk for Covid 19 community.
Answer these science based questions first, please, before we get to my legal arrangements with Front, and your bizarre contention that all lives don’t actually matter - as a Catholic, I find that to be problematic:

Do you accept from this that the older we get, the more in danger we are?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?
 

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Quick Question... probably directed more to @the AntiPusher and @Moxie, but anyone drumming out the "follow the science" rhetoric.

What is your source of the "the science"? Who, or where do you derive your understanding of "the science" from?

i.e. Which particular people/organisations do you define as the truth of "the science"?
 

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Quick Question... probably directed more to @the AntiPusher and @Moxie, but anyone drumming out the "follow the science" rhetoric.

What is your source of the "the science"? Who, or where do you derive your understanding of "the science" from?

i.e. Which particular people/organisations do you define as the truth of "the science"?
I don't think I've ever used that phrase, or argument.
 

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I hate people who are too selfish to get a COVID vaccine. I do. Millions of people across the globe have had the jab, and only a handful have died or otherwise had issues. We could get back to life if people would just get a shot where it is available to them. To me, it seems selfish, and unreasonably fearful, based on the science and the results.
Maybe, the science you were referring to above, will suffice.
 

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Why do you feel compelled to be his legal team. Front has always appeared to have worn his version of his big boy trousers.

Here's something that you can defend. Explain why he said All Lives Matter when the previous poster was just explaining how this pandemic has affected certain parts of society who may not have access to advance medical professionals and care. How did he turn this into a Black Lives Matter discussion or is that just the way he feels while he has little empathy towards the high risk for Covid 19 community.
Are you seriously blaming ME for starting BLM bs on this thread ? Did you even read Moxie's post that you "liked" before accusing me of starting that nonsense? Fucking hell man. I've also already said this so it's not my fault if you have reading comprehension issues: "How is he standing up for me and frankly the notion that I have a black heart is a joke and Moxie saying I think the old and immunocomprised got what they deserved? Absolute nonsense from both of you. You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ? I can't do a single thing to stop someone being 85 years old, nor can I do a single thing to stop a person being 300lbs. Is that my fault cos you seem to think it is?! "

^ Where exactly is my little empathy ? And no, she was not relating to people's access to medical care at all so not only did you "like" her post that you clearly didn't read properly, you're also making it up! Here is what she said:

"How ill-considered of so many to be Brown or Black, and lower-class, and thereby much more susceptible to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, based on historically undermining circumstances. Not to mention having to carry on in jobs that exposed them to the virus."

For the record, people are more susceptible to obesity and diabetes and heart disease for eating crap food and not exercising and that has zero to do with race which I'm still baffled that someone felt the need to bring into this and then blame me for it when it was someone else because you have people eating rubbish, smoking, taking drugs, drinking and not exercising of every race. I give up. I said all lives matter to counter that bs post from Moxie about black/brown people she felt the need to bring in no reason at all because funnily enough people are dying of covid all around the world so, yes, all lives matter. Nonsense posts.
 
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Answer these science based questions first, please, before we get to my legal arrangements with Front, and your bizarre contention that all lives don’t actually matter - as a Catholic, I find that to be problematic:

Your take on facts (old people and immunocompromised) leaves a lot to be desired. YOU'RE implying they got what they deserved and not me. I'm not being judgmental in the slightest, again this is YOUR interpretation and misinterpretation at that. You should go check the stats for the average ages of people dying. You don't like that facts and there's nothing I or anyone else can do to change that but, yes, it is mostly very old and/or immunocompromised dying from covid.

As for making this a race thing, get some help please. Covid deaths being in the elderly and immunocompromised suddenly turned into black lives matter? ALL LIVES MATTER. What a load of crap. Give yourself a giant pat on the back there. In 99% of cases people are overweight or unhealthy due to lifestyle choices. If you eat crap every day and don't exercise you get fat and potentially heart disease and diabetes. If you drink heavily you get cirrhosis. If you smoke a ton you get lung cancer. This is choice.

Once again, I never said they would have died anyway, it's a contributing factor obviously to get covid but being very old and/or extremely unhealthy by choice is the precursor to many of these deaths. You can't help being old, but you CAN help being massively overweight through proper diet and exercise and you can stop smoking and drinking. Unhealthy people changing their lifestyles re diet, exercise, smoking, drugs, drinking would be a lot more beneficial to them than getting jabbed 3 times a year with a new vaccine. Then there would be less covid deaths and you wouldn't have to be moaning about me supposedly being cynical and heartless which I'm not. I'm being realistic.
Kieran, Here is what you ask for : Go ahead and defend you Bloke!
 

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Answer these science based questions first, please, before we get to my legal arrangements with Front, and your bizarre contention that all lives don’t actually matter - as a Catholic, I find that to be problematic:

Show me where I said "all lives don't actually matter"..
Don't show me your interpretation but where i said that exact statement word for word.
 

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Kieran, Here is what you ask for : Go ahead and defend you Bloke!
Again I have to remind you to quote me properly, and read carefully what I wrote because this isn’t the first time you’ve misrepresented what I’ve asked. I asked you to show me where Front used the word “losers” when talking about covid victims. I don’t ask you where he said that all lives matter.

You selectively misquoted him and haven’t addressed this, and I have to wonder if you did it in bad faith.

Do you accept from this that the older we get, the more in danger we are?

Do you accept that a person with co-morbities and compromised immunity is more likely to be in danger from covid than one who is much more healthy?

And why haven’t you answered my science based questions?
 

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Show me where I said "all lives don't actually matter"..
Don't show me your interpretation but where i said that exact statement word for word.
Exactly. It’s horrible when somebody deliberately misrepresents you, to put you in a bad light, isn’t it?

You didn’t say that, and Front didn’t call covid victims losers. You take offence at what I did, which to show you how bad it was what you did to Front.

Strange world, isn’t it? :popcorn
 

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Maybe, the science you were referring to above, will suffice.
i also wrote just above, that I've had the chance to talk to lots of top doctors in their fields over the past year+ in interviews, and have been devastated by the virus and the effect on their colleagues and themselves, and they're all enthusiastic about the vaccine, but you weren't interested in that. You also know that I'm in a vaccine trial, so I've done a lot of reading. Also, my brother is a biophysicist in a Harvard DNA lab, and he thinks the vaccine science is solid and safe. Does that help?
 
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Are you seriously blaming ME for starting BLM bs on this thread ? Did you even read Moxie's post that you "liked" before accusing me of starting that nonsense? Fucking hell man. I've also already said this so it's not my fault if you have reading comprehension issues: "How is he standing up for me and frankly the notion that I have a black heart is a joke and Moxie saying I think the old and immunocomprised got what they deserved? Absolute nonsense from both of you. You think I'm happy to see people dying? What sort of weird shit is that ? I can't do a single thing to stop someone being 85 years old, nor can I do a single thing to stop a person being 300lbs. Is that my fault cos you seem to think it is?! "

^ Where exactly is my little empathy ? And no, she was not relating to people's access to medical care at all so not only did you "like" her post that you clearly didn't read properly, you're also making it up! Here is what she said:

"How ill-considered of so many to be Brown or Black, and lower-class, and thereby much more susceptible to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, based on historically undermining circumstances. Not to mention having to carry on in jobs that exposed them to the virus."

For the record, people are more susceptible to obesity and diabetes and heart disease for eating crap food and not exercising and that has zero to do with race which I'm still baffled that someone felt the need to bring into this and then blame me for it when it was someone else because you have people eating rubbish, smoking, taking drugs, drinking and not exercising of every race. I give up. I said all lives matter to counter that bs post from Moxie about black/brown people she felt the need to bring in no reason at all because funnily enough people are dying of covid all around the world so, yes, all lives matter. Nonsense posts.
Bloke, you are narrow minded and have the comprehension issues that i stated numerous times before. You took this statement ""How ill-considered of so many to be Brown or Black, and lower-class, and thereby much more susceptible to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, based on historically undermining circumstances. Not to mention having to carry on in jobs that exposed them to the virus." Then you mentioned BLM and then finished with ALL LIVES Matter. " What did BLM have to do with "Brown or BLACK". There are Brown or BLACK (Indians, Asians, Latins) yet your comprehension went straight for BLM then ALL LIVES Matter. Now COMPREHENDE this! or do you need Kieran to start using his Catholic religion to justify your statement.
 

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i also wrote just above, that I've had the chance to talk to lots of top doctors in their fields over the past year+ in interviews, and have been devastated by the virus and the effect on their colleagues and themselves, and they're all enthusiastic about the vaccine, but you weren't interested in that. You also know that I'm in a vaccine trial, so I've done a lot of reading. Also, my brother is a biophysicist in a Harvard DNA lab, and he thinks the vaccine science is solid and safe. Does that help?

Yes, it does help actually, and thanks for answering. Rather than the Divide and Conquer Tit For Tat we are experiencing on this thread... maybe we should all put forward our own little "history" of why we have arrived at our current viewpoints... so others can understand, if not agree on why we have made our decisions.
 
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Bloke, you are narrow minded and have the comprehension issues that i stated numerous times before. You took this statement ""How ill-considered of so many to be Brown or Black, and lower-class, and thereby much more susceptible to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, based on historically undermining circumstances. Not to mention having to carry on in jobs that exposed them to the virus." Then you mentioned BLM and then finished with ALL LIVES Matter. " What did BLM have to do with "Brown or BLACK". There are Brown or BLACK (Indians, Asians, Latins) yet your comprehension went straight for BLM then ALL LIVES Matter. Now COMPREHENDE this! or do you need Kieran to start using his Catholic religion to justify your statement.

AP - You do realise these guys live in Ireland? The Black population is less than 1.5%. Has it occurred to you that they might not being taking the vaccine or boosters for reasons other than race? I know Americans think they are the epicentre of the planet, but how about a little humility from your end? People arrive at their own conclusions for not taking this vaccine or letting their kids be jabbed from it... not least, the mass propaganda and massive amounts of money being made by Big Pharma, or those in decision-making positions being completely compromised by conflicts of interest, or in some cases far far worse.