Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Kieran]

“Wait - what?” indeed:

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

www.reuters.com

 

[Moxie]

“Wait - what?” indeed:

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

www.reuters.com

Yeah, that is bullshit. If they can shove the vaccine through approvals, they can shove the data through to be seen via the Freedom of Information Act. Who are they protecting, except the drug companies? They're not protecting me. I'm participating in a covid vaccine trial, and I've signed it all away. (It's not Pfizer, it's Sanofi-Pasteur, but still.) If they're not protecting participants, then they're protecting drug companies, and their IP. Not enough bureaucrats to get the job done? Then how did they get it approved so fast? If they want transparency and to calm the general public about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, they need to open all of this up to public scrutiny in the next short while. 55 years? Who's working on this, Bartleby the Scrivener?

 

[Front242]

“Wait - what?” indeed:

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

www.reuters.com

Madness isn't it. Been meaning to post that and didn't get around to it. SURELY even the sheep must know now they've been duped but in reality they're still asleep. What will it take ?! PS: I'm alluding to those who point the finger at the unvaxxed as if they're scum and should be treated as lepers, when in reality, this shows those who trust the governments and mainstream media are indeed sheep. I saw the reason you took the vaccine so not counting you in this at all and I don't like the word sheep but, the fact is, most were indeed swayed by fearmongering, lies and corruption at the greedy Big Pharma filled pockets of the governments and health "advisors". Governments are the last people who the public should trust. It's no surprise mainstream media have posted SFA about the 55 years for the FDA data or the Pfizer whistleblowers report...

 

[Moxie]

Madness isn't it. Been meaning to post that and didn't get around to it. SURELY even the sheep must know now they've been duped but in reality they're still asleep. What will it take ?! PS: I'm alluding to those who point the finger at the unvaxxed as if they're scum and should be treated as lepers, when in reality, this shows those who trust the governments and mainstream media are indeed sheep. I saw the reason you took the vaccine so not counting you in this at all and I don't like the word sheep but, the fact is, most were indeed swayed by fearmongering, lies and corruption at the greedy Big Pharma filled pockets of the governments and health "advisors". Governments are the last people who the public should trust. It's no surprise mainstream media have posted SFA about the 55 years for the FDA data or the Pfizer whistleblowers report...

If you don't want to be called names for not wanting to be vaccinated, I'd appreciate it if you don't call those of us who do "sheep." You claim not to like the word, but you do use it. You can stand by the research you've done, but don't tell me I haven't done mine. We come from some different positions here, but what I like about this thread is that it respects the notion that not everything is known, out there, and that there are nuances to we how approach it.

 

[Front242]

If you don't want to be called names for not wanting to be vaccinated, I'd appreciate it if you don't call those of us who do "sheep." You claim not to like the word, but you do use it. You can stand by the research you've done, but don't tell me I haven't done mine. We come from some different positions here, but what I like about this thread is that it respects the notion that not everything is known, out there, and that there are nuances to we how approach it.

That's fair enough but the reality is also the majority willingly took something at the drop of a hat 'cos they were told to without doing much else other than trust crooked people and yet it's the very people who know better than to trust them are the ones being shamed globally.

Now all the reports such as the whistleblower and FDA debacles just back up what those who didn't take the vaccines knew all along.

The reality is also that the pro covid vaccine people call those against covid vaccines far, far worse so sheep is nothing by comparison.

 

[Kieran]

If you don't want to be called names for not wanting to be vaccinated, I'd appreciate it if you don't call those of us who do "sheep." You claim not to like the word, but you do use it. You can stand by the research you've done, but don't tell me I haven't done mine. We come from some different positions here, but what I like about this thread is that it respects the notion that not everything is known, out there, and that there are nuances to we how approach it.

I think he’s referring to those who haven’t done their research, those who just blindly trust “the science” which is presented to them by official government figures and who blindly do what they’re told and then attack others who won’t do the same.

I tend to agree with him on this, because I’ve seen it over here a lot, people screeching about “anti-vaxxers” killing granny, and generally using loaded terms to try make others feel guilty because they haven’t chosen to toe the line.

I’m beginning to notice that with covid, that within the bigger scheme of things, there are two small but loud camps which are identical to each other, almost in the way the typically opposing tribes in politics actually are the same creature. They behave the same, albeit under different flags. And it’s this, that when covid came and everything changed, some people looked for an authority to tell them it’ll be okay. Some of these people looked to the government, and it’s health tsars, and they dutifully recite the official mantras as their reason for doing what they’re doing: “we’re helping others, to keep everyone safe, and The Science says this and so the effect will be this and it’s the people who aren’t doing what they’re told are causing all the trouble.”

The opposite tribe have gone a different direction, and believe nothing the government and the health tsars say, but this tribe take scepticism to an extreme, they see bad will everywhere, and most importantly, some even buy into the most bizarre conspiracies and find their sheltering authority there.

What makes these two small groups the same is that neither have done due diligence for themselves, they’re accepting what they’re told, or read, without question. They don’t seek out the opposing argument to their theory, to see if what they believe makes sense. So there are the same sheep-like unquestioning sort of people on both sides.

What’s good in this thread is that everyone is pulling up stats and querying everything they’re told, some finding good in government, others finding governments to be their usual unreliable selfs. I would tend towards violent scepticism of our governments, because I don’t see good leaders anywhere on the world stage, but I do see a lot of unelected career bureaucrats suddenly loving their moment in the limelight. I tend to put our ridiculous, farcical position in Ireland down to a fatal lack of talent, imagination, and integrity. Bad combo if you’re trying to lead, it causes bad faith among the people who you rely on to follow your orders. But I see governments repeating this everywhere across the western world.

The EU president yesterday complained that 150 million people in the EU aren’t vaccinated, and that we should consider mandatory vaccinations for them. But has she not wondered why they’re not vaccinated? Surely she can’t be so dull, and unaware that in a democracy we ask questions, that she’s forgotten to ask people why they’re not vaccinated? Does she really believe we want to live in a world where people are tyrannically forced to take a jab that their conscience swears blind is bad for them? 150 million people is a lot of people!

But she can be that dull, unfortunately, and she is. “People disobey me? Force them now!” We never thought we’d live in this world, but it’s coming. At the same time, it’s a difficult time to govern and get this right - we need better leaders, but we’re stuck with what we have..,

 

[Front242]

I think he’s referring to those who haven’t done their research, those who just blindly trust “the science” which is presented to them by official government figures and who blindly do what they’re told and then attack others who won’t do the same.

I tend to agree with him on this, because I’ve seen it over here a lot, people screeching about “anti-vaxxers” killing granny, and generally using loaded terms to try make others feel guilty because they haven’t chosen to toe the line.

I’m beginning to notice that with covid, that within the bigger scheme of things, there are two small but loud camps which are identical to each other, almost in the way the typically opposing tribes in politics actually are the same creature. They behave the same, albeit under different flags. And it’s this, that when covid came and everything changed, some people looked for an authority to tell them it’ll be okay. Some of these people looked to the government, and it’s health tsars, and they dutifully recite the official mantras as their reason for doing what they’re doing: “we’re helping others, to keep everyone safe, and The Science says this and so the effect will be this and it’s the people who aren’t doing what they’re told are causing all the trouble.”

The opposite tribe have gone a different direction, and believe nothing the government and the health tsars say, but this tribe take scepticism to an extreme, they see bad will everywhere, and most importantly, some even buy into the most bizarre conspiracies and find their sheltering authority there.

What makes these two small groups the same is that neither have done due diligence for themselves, they’re accepting what they’re told, or read, without question. They don’t seek out the opposing argument to their theory, to see if what they believe makes sense. So there are the same sheep-like unquestioning sort of people on both sides.

What’s good in this thread is that everyone is pulling up stats and querying everything they’re told, some finding good in government, others finding governments to be their usual unreliable selfs. I would tend towards violent scepticism of our governments, because I don’t see good leaders anywhere on the world stage, but I do see a lot of unelected career bureaucrats suddenly loving their moment in the limelight. I tend to put our ridiculous, farcical position in Ireland down to a fatal lack of talent, imagination, and integrity. Bad combo if you’re trying to lead, it causes bad faith among the people who you rely on to follow your orders. But I see governments repeating this everywhere across the western world.

The EU president yesterday complained that 150 million people in the EU aren’t vaccinated, and that we should consider mandatory vaccinations for them. But has she not wondered why they’re not vaccinated? Surely she can’t be so dull, and unaware that in a democracy we ask questions, that she’s forgotten to ask people why they’re not vaccinated? Does she really believe we want to live in a world where people are tyrannically forced to take a jab that their conscience swears blind is bad for them? 150 million people is a lot of people!

But she can be that dull, unfortunately, and she is. “People disobey me? Force them now!” We never thought we’d live in this world, but it’s coming. At the same time, it’s a difficult time to govern and get this right - we need better leaders, but we’re stuck with what we have..,

Top paragraph in your post sums up sheep perfectly. Scary from the EU president that she thinks she has the right to do this. Usually once that pos opens her mouth it's already decided. No one can be pinned down to take these anyway so glad luck to her on that. Personally I'd send her to the gas chamber along with the Austrian chancellor and Germany's scum leaders for their Nazi bs on covid. You don't mandate a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission and is therefore of sfa use to healthy people and you do not promote a two tier society on purpose as they have done if you're a good person and none of them are. This is not about health but wealth. I stand by it. Gas chamber is what they deserve for that. The obvious and sensible approach would be no mandates and test people going to indoor venues and planes both trip out and trip home (vaxxed and unvaxxed for all of these) and they'll reduce the spread of covid. Treating the vaxxed as if they're clean having taken very leaky vaccines that do nothing to stop transmission and treating all unvaxxed as lepers is disgraceful. Gas them now and get proper leaders.

 

[Kieran]

Top paragraph in your post sums up sheep perfectly. Scary from the EU president that she thinks she has the right to do this. Usually once that pos opens her mouth it's already decided. No one can be pinned down to take these anyway so glad luck to her on that. Personally I'd send her to the gas chamber along with the Austrian chancellor and Germany's scum leaders for their Nazi bs on covid. You don't mandate a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission and is therefore of sfa use to healthy people and you do not promote a two tier society on purpose as they have done if you're a good person and none of them are. This is not about health but wealth. I stand by it. Gas chamber is what they deserve for that. The obvious and sensible approach would be no mandates and test people going to indoor venues and planes both trip out and trip home and they'll reduce the spread of covid. Treating the vaxxed as if they're clean having taken very leaky vaccines that do nothing to stop transmission and treating all unvaxxed as lepers is disgraceful. Gas them now and get proper leaders.

Well, I'm sure you saw on the news the other day that anyone arriving in Ireland from other countries will have to present a negative PCR/antigen test, regardless of whether or not they're vaccinated. This wasn't even in the small print when they sold the vaccines earlier in the year, but of course, they're still at the training wheels stage of knowing about the vaccine - while insisting at the same time that they know what they're doing. They plainly don't, and so reversals in policy are often accompanied by lies, and I doubt they can even tell the difference sometimes.

Ursula Von Der Leydon, the EU Commission president is not an impressive figure, but she's slid up the greasy pole of EU politics to reach the stage where she's now talking like this. One third of the EU citizens aren't vaccinated. Practically speaking, she's poking a hornets nest, rather than leading by winning the argument. I can actually see some logic in the argument that says, "yeah but two thirds isn't enough, we need more, the problem is that we don't have enough people vaccinated!" I can see logic in this, from a herd immunity perspective - but in Ireland, the numbers are fairly good, vaccine-wise. Including those who are recovered from Covid - vaccinated by the disease - and those who are vaccinated, we're at about 92% of the population, but our case numbers are still rising.

Now, leaving aside that they never tell us how many people they tested to get the figures - which matters a lot, because 3000 new cases out of 3m tests is nothing, but if it's 3000 new cases out of 5000 tests, that's a lot - I never saw the reason to worry about case numbers. What matters is, who is most at risk, and do we have the resources to help them? Most people are sneezing this thing off. So let's be glad they're building immunity naturally and coming to no harm. But horrifyingly, now in Ireland they're targeting the very young with vaccines, infants who have been massively unaffected by the disease when they catch it, but this is because the government think case numbers matter. And in thinking this, they betray a mindset that believes they can eradicate Covid, which they can't. They don't seem to realise that the problem is that they've become addicted to wielding their power in this negative way, without knowing the effect their bad ideas have on everyone...

 

[Front242]

Well, I'm sure you saw on the news the other day that anyone arriving in Ireland from other countries will have to present a negative PCR/antigen test, regardless of whether or not they're vaccinated. This wasn't even in the small print when they sold the vaccines earlier in the year, but of course, they're still at the training wheels stage of knowing about the vaccine - while insisting at the same time that they know what they're doing. They plainly don't, and so reversals in policy are often accompanied by lies, and I doubt they can even tell the difference sometimes.

Ursula Von Der Leydon, the EU Commission president is not an impressive figure, but she's slid up the greasy pole of EU politics to reach the stage where she's now talking like this. One third of the EU citizens aren't vaccinated. Practically speaking, she's poking a hornets nest, rather than leading by winning the argument. I can actually see some logic in the argument that says, "yeah but two thirds isn't enough, we need more, the problem is that we don't have enough people vaccinated!" I can see logic in this, from a herd immunity perspective - but in Ireland, the numbers are fairly good, vaccine-wise. Including those who are recovered from Covid - vaccinated by the disease - and those who are vaccinated, we're at about 92% of the population, but our case numbers are still rising.

Now, leaving aside that they never tell us how many people they tested to get the figures - which matters a lot, because 3000 new cases out of 3m tests is nothing, but if it's 3000 new cases out of 5000 tests, that's a lot - I never saw the reason to worry about case numbers. What matters is, who is most at risk, and do we have the resources to help them? Most people are sneezing this thing off. So let's be glad they're building immunity naturally and coming to no harm. But horrifyingly, now in Ireland they're targeting the very young with vaccines, infants who have been massively unaffected by the disease when they catch it, but this is because the government think case numbers matter. And in thinking this, they betray a mindset that believes they can eradicate Covid, which they can't. They don't seem to realise that the problem is that they've become addicted to wielding their power in this negative way, without knowing the effect their bad ideas have on everyone...

I've been saying a long time now they need to test everyone on flights but it shouldn't just be people coming into Ireland. This should be global since the vaccines are such a failure, especially in terms of transmission. The scum are pushing really hard now to vaccinate kids, many of whom already now or will soon have robust natural immunity better than 2 Pfizer shots per studies from Israel. How they can even contemplate jabbing kids with something with zero long term studies shows the level of pos we have globally in power. All about money and nothing else. Don't even get me started on making young kids wear masks in school while mum, dad and hey even granny can sit in packed pubs and restaurants and clubs if they're young parents all with no masks but, hey, let's ruin the kids lives instead and mask them right? Makes sense!

 

[Kieran]

I've been saying a long time now they need to test everyone on flights but it shouldn't just be people coming into Ireland. This should be global since the vaccines are such a failure, especially in terms of transmission. The scum are pushing really hard now to vaccinate kids, many of whom already now or will soon have robust natural immunity better than 2 Pfizer shots per studies from Israel. How they can even contemplate jabbing kids with something with zero long term studies shows the level of pos we have globally in power. All about money and nothing else. Don't even get me started on making young kids wear masks in school while mum, dad and hey even granny can sit in packed pubs and restaurants and clubs if they're young parents all with no masks but, hey, let's ruin the kids lives instead and mask them right? Makes sense!

Yeah. It doesn’t make sense to require vaccinated people to have a test coming into Ireland - but bar unvaccinated from entering. I know in principle they say that they want fewer unvaccinated entering the country, but of course, it seems we’re all just as likely to spread the virus now regardless. I’d like to know if both vaccinated and unvaccinated can transmit the virus at the same rate, and with the same potency, but I doubt they know this.

The vaccines are definitely a failure in terms of transmitting the virus, but I’m not sure that’s their main goal. I think they’ve definitely worked in keeping the dose of virus caught lower than it is in unvaccinated people, the hospital stats seem to bear this out. So it’s not all bad news with the vaccine. The thing I’m most annoyed about is that they act as if The Science is finished on this and they know everything, and they make policy that affects people adversely, based on this error. They should be more humble, more patient, and now and again admitting they fecked up would help.

Jabbing kids with a vaccine which has no proof on long term effects - and it’s positive effects are barely holding water short term - is not a morally good thing…

 

[the AntiPusher]

I've been saying a long time now they need to test everyone on flights but it shouldn't just be people coming into Ireland. This should be global since the vaccines are such a failure, especially in terms of transmission. The scum are pushing really hard now to vaccinate kids, many of whom already now or will soon have robust natural immunity better than 2 Pfizer shots per studies from Israel. How they can even contemplate jabbing kids with something with zero long term studies shows the level of pos we have globally in power. All about money and nothing else. Don't even get me started on making young kids wear masks in school while mum, dad and hey even granny can sit in packed pubs and restaurants and clubs if they're young parents all with no masks but, hey, let's ruin the kids lives instead and mask them right? Makes sense!

Everyone coming back to the US should also be tested and the recent case of Omnicron COVID in SF. Everyone coming in from South Africa should have been immediately quarantine for 14 days. That person is in self quarantine now and hopefully it didn't spread out here in the Bay Area.

 

[Front242]

Everyone coming back to the US should also be tested and the recent case of Omnicron COVID in SF. Everyone coming in from South Africa should have been immediately quarantine for 14 days. That person is in self quarantine now and hopefully it didn't spread out here in the Bay Area.

Wouldn't be too worried about Omicron. Viruses all get more transmissible and less deadly with time. This is nothing but media scaremongering to suggest otherwise and the symptoms are just as scary as delta, ie not at all.

 

[Front242]

Yeah. It doesn’t make sense to require vaccinated people to have a test coming into Ireland - but bar unvaccinated from entering. I know in principle they say that they want fewer unvaccinated entering the country, but of course, it seems we’re all just as likely to spread the virus now regardless. I’d like to know if both vaccinated and unvaccinated can transmit the virus at the same rate, and with the same potency, but I doubt they know this.

The vaccines are definitely a failure in terms of transmitting the virus, but I’m not sure that’s their main goal. I think they’ve definitely worked in keeping the dose of virus caught lower than it is in unvaccinated people, the hospital stats seem to bear this out. So it’s not all bad news with the vaccine. The thing I’m most annoyed about is that they act as if The Science is finished on this and they know everything, and they make policy that affects people adversely, based on this error. They should be more humble, more patient, and now and again admitting they fecked up would help.

Jabbing kids with a vaccine which has no proof on long term effects - and it’s positive effects are barely holding water short term - is not a morally good thing…

Unvaccinated people can come and go as these please, just requiring negative PCR test and while I've already seen posts on local forums from vaxxed people complaining they now need a test to fly home, I'm of the opinion they should have been required to take one before flying and returning the moment the data was released the the vaccines are utter poop at reducing transmission. A disgrace that globally this is still not done in 99.99% of places. The virus spread will never end of these useless clowns in power but it's all about money cos they know the unvaxxed have to pay for expensive pcr tests (and now vaxxed also have to take tests in Ireland before leaving but they screwed up by making that antigen and not PCR).

From Friday 3 December 2021, all arrivals aged 12 and over who are fully vaccinated or recovered from COVID-19 must provide either of the following:

• A negative or not detected antigen test (taken within 48 hours before arrival)
• A negative or not detected RT-PCR test (taken within 72 hours before arrival)

The test result must be certified and not self-administered.
If you are not fully vaccinated or recovered, you must show a negative or not detected RT-PCR test taken within 72 hours before your arrival.

They already know btw that viral load in vaxxed/unvaxxed is pretty much the same.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ccinated-unvaccinated-cdc-121073100060_1.html

The whole thing with jabbing kids is scary that people could be such utter pos to make kids take this and then have to take it the rest of their lives. You will NEVER see this posted on lamestream media but this on the FDA website about the Pfizer vaccine. Adults and now kids are guinea pigs to this as they race at warp speed to try and jab all the kids as quickly as possible to make billions. SCUM.

https://www.fda.gov/media/153409/download

 

[Front242]

Used to like him as he was very funny but just another Big Pharma sellout shill MF now...

Bought a lot of dodgy makeup and a hair piece with his Big Pharma paycheck too by the look of things.

 

[Kieran]

Wouldn't be too worried about Omicron. Viruses all get more transmissible and less deadly with time. This is nothing but media scaremongering to suggest otherwise and the symptoms are just as scary as delta, ie not at all.

Omicron seems to be a less potent chap than his older brothers, which gives me hope that the virus is weakening. Especially if omicron becomes the dominant version of the bug, and is less deadly over winter. It will be the death knell for covid. We shots have fewer restrictions and build better natural resistance..

 

[Kieran]

Unvaccinated people can come and go as these please, just requiring negative PCR test and while I've already seen posts on local forums from vaxxed people complaining they now need a test to fly home, I'm of the opinion they should have been required to take one before flying and returning the moment the data was released the the vaccines are utter poop at reducing transmission. A disgrace that globally this is still not done in 99.99% of places. The virus spread will never end of these useless clowns in power but it's all about money cos they know the unvaxxed have to pay for expensive pcr tests (and now vaxxed also have to take tests in Ireland before leaving but they screwed up by making that antigen and not PCR).

From Friday 3 December 2021, all arrivals aged 12 and over who are fully vaccinated or recovered from COVID-19 must provide either of the following:

• A negative or not detected antigen test (taken within 48 hours before arrival)
• A negative or not detected RT-PCR test (taken within 72 hours before arrival)

The test result must be certified and not self-administered.
If you are not fully vaccinated or recovered, you must show a negative or not detected RT-PCR test taken within 72 hours before your arrival.

They already know btw that viral load in vaxxed/unvaxxed is pretty much the same.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ccinated-unvaccinated-cdc-121073100060_1.html

The whole thing with jabbing kids is scary that people could be such utter pos to make kids take this and then have to take it the rest of their lives. You will NEVER see this posted on lamestream media but this on the FDA website about the Pfizer vaccine. Adults and now kids are guinea pigs to this as they race at warp speed to try and jab all the kids as quickly as possible to make billions. SCUM.

https://www.fda.gov/media/153409/download

Well, if we’re leaving Ireland we don’t need to take a test, only when we’re returning.

Of course, we can get around this by travelling from Belfast…

 

[Kieran]

I detest celebrities who are propaganda tools (tools in every sense) for the establishment. They’re the most boring, humourless comedians. They think they’re edgy when they joke about trump. They tend to be the opposite of funny, but they’re performing in an echo chamber, so they get their laughs from sycophants and similarly humourless clowns anyway…

 

[Front242]

I detest celebrities who are propaganda tools (tools in every sense) for the establishment. They’re the most boring, humourless comedians. They think they’re edgy when they joke about trump. They tend to be the opposite of funny, but they’re performing in an echo chamber, so they get their laughs from sycophants and similarly humourless clowns anyway…

Me too. Fucking sellout Big Pharma shills. Worst I've seen to date is Rage against the machine playing vaccinated only gigs. Laughable. For a band with lyrics such as the below to stoop so low is just pathetic.

"Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" Oh wait.....

Clowns.

 

[Front242]

Omicron seems to be a less potent chap than his older brothers, which gives me hope that the virus is weakening. Especially if omicron becomes the dominant version of the bug, and is less deadly over winter. It will be the death knell for covid. We shots have fewer restrictions and build better natural resistance..

That's what many are hoping and if it turns out this happens it'll be great but it's also ridiculous how they're now more than ever trying to mandate vaccines for something fast becoming a common cold...

The scaremongering has reached new heights.

 

[Front242]

Well, if we’re leaving Ireland we don’t need to take a test, only when we’re returning.

Of course, we can get around this by travelling from Belfast…

Yup, gonna be massive amounts of people doing this via Belfast! Sorry yeah btw, I got mixed up on the test on the way out 'cos my wife is going to London for just 1 day on Saturday and she's vaxxed and is getting an antigen test before she leaves cos it's good for 48 hours and that saves her paying for more expensive PCR test from the UK and the hassle of having to get it done over there. So I mixed it up thinking you needed it leaving but her case is an exception since she's getting it done in a pharmacy here before she leaves cos it's only a 1 day trip.

Normally they let the many riddled vaxxed out there leave the country riddled to go as they please and infect the whole plane and the country they visit!