Covid vaccine - opinions?

[El Dude]

I was just going to post this, but I'll offer the "Dore-free" version as well (though I love Jimmy Dore):



So my question is, how is this not the biggest CRIMINAL conspiracy in human history?

I tend to agree with the South African heart surgeon, Susan Vosloo, who said that "the vaccine wasn't made for covid, covid was made for the vaccine."

 

[Kieran]

I was just going to post this, but I'll offer the "Dore-free" version as well (though I love Jimmy Dore):



So my question is, how is this not the biggest CRIMINAL conspiracy in human history?

I tend to agree with the South African heart surgeon, Susan Vosloo, who said that "the vaccine wasn't made for covid, covid was made for the vaccine."

In which sense did she mean that?

Just to continue the rage against the ugly pharma system, The Big Winners in the covid world are making $1000 a second, and poorer nations are going unvaccinated.

Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna in $1,000 profit every second

Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna are making combined profits of $65,000 every minute from their highly successful Covid-19 vaccines while the world's poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated, according to a new analysis.

www.rte.ie

 

[tented]

In which sense did she mean that?

Just to continue the rage against the ugly pharma system, The Big Winners in the covid world are making $1000 a second, and poorer nations are going unvaccinated.

Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna in $1,000 profit every second

Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna are making combined profits of $65,000 every minute from their highly successful Covid-19 vaccines while the world's poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated, according to a new analysis.

www.rte.ie

I don’t know where they got the numbers, but if they’re correct this is astounding.

 

[Front242]

I was just going to post this, but I'll offer the "Dore-free" version as well (though I love Jimmy Dore):



So my question is, how is this not the biggest CRIMINAL conspiracy in human history?

I tend to agree with the South African heart surgeon, Susan Vosloo, who said that "the vaccine wasn't made for covid, covid was made for the vaccine."

I thought it was Reiner Fuellmich who said that but I 100% agree. Posted this before but he currently has the largest class action lawsuit in history in progress https://albertapressleader.ca/?p=32211

 

[Kieran]

I don’t know where they got the numbers, but if they’re correct this is astounding.

I imagine the numbers are easy found, but like you, I don’t know how. However, astounding as they are, they’re not in tire least bit surprising…

 

[El Dude]

In which sense did she mean that?

I can't remember the interview - I think you can find it on Bitchute or one of the non-censoring Youtube clones. I'll look later. But I think she's implying that the pandemic is overblown, the numbers fudged to make it look worse than it is (via the bogus PCR testing, and the "death with covid = death by covid" bs), or maybe even that the illness was created (via lab) to require the need for vaccine.

I keep coming back to that stat, that a poll in the US said that about half of Democrats believe there's a 50% chance of hospitalization if you get covid, when the number is actually below 1%. This is entirely due to the fear porn of "left" media like CNN and MSNBC, and the groupthink that is endemic in the American left.

 

[Kieran]

I can't remember the interview - I think you can find it on Bitchute or one of the non-censoring Youtube clones. I'll look later. But I think she's implying that the pandemic is overblown, the numbers fudged to make it look worse than it is (via the bogus PCR testing, and the "death with covid = death by covid" bs), or maybe even that the illness was created (via lab) to require the need for vaccine.

I keep coming back to that stat, that a poll in the US said that about half of Democrats believe there's a 50% chance of hospitalization if you get covid, when the number is actually below 1%. This is entirely due to the fear porn of "left" media like CNN and MSNBC, and the groupthink that is endemic in the American left.

Thanks bro, I getcha. I heard that stat too and I was amazed, but obviously they’re swallowing the blurb that this virus is the worst plague in history. We struggle with conversations around death, in the west, but we also exaggerate the extent of our struggles, so we have among us spoilt sods who think they’re living in the worst time in history, and they think this from the lap of comfort that they live in.

I heard many ideas on the source of the virus, and that it’s behaviour maybe suggests that it isn’t natural, given that it’s more potent - more alive - indoors than out. That’s one suggestion. I wonder if we’ll live long enough to know. But certainly the numbers are overblown to a ridiculous extent. The fearmongering is outrageous, but common to everywhere. And the lack of emphasis from official health tsars on what we can do for ourselves, health wise, to boost our immune systems is both highly dangerous, and irresponsible…

 

[Kieran]

I thought it was Reiner Fuellmich who said that but I 100% agree. Posted this before but he currently has the largest class action lawsuit in history in progress https://albertapressleader.ca/?p=32211

Good for him! I see Germany are thinking going in lockstep with the Austrians in locking up the unvaccinated. What can go wrong with that, eh? And when it fails, what will they do then? Reverse the lockdown, and lockdown the vaccinated? I read this funny quote the other day:

“Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?”

Now, I’m in two minds about the vaccines - I see benefits for some, but not for all - so I’m not fully on either wing, but that made me laugh and agree, when I read it…

 

[El Dude]

Thanks bro, I getcha. I heard that stat too and I was amazed, but obviously they’re swallowing the blurb that this virus is the worst plague in history. We struggle with conversations around death, in the west, but we also exaggerate the extent of our struggles, so we have among us spoilt sods who think they’re living in the worst time in history, and they think this from the lap of comfort that they live in.

I heard many ideas on the source of the virus, and that it’s behaviour maybe suggests that it isn’t natural, given that it’s more potent - more alive - indoors than out. That’s one suggestion. I wonder if we’ll live long enough to know. But certainly the numbers are overblown to a ridiculous extent. The fearmongering is outrageous, but common to everywhere. And the lack of emphasis from official health tsars on what we can do for ourselves, health wise, to boost our immune systems is both highly dangerous, and irresponsible…

I remember last year when people were being censored by Youtube for saying "Vitamin C is good for your immune system," let alone various protocols (C, D, zinc, or melatonin and niacin) that actual doctors were recommending.

The other thing that is considered too fringe to discuss is the fact that the virus has never been isolated or purified in actual living tissue. This is a problem with virology in general: viruses can't be isolated without injecting the substance into a tissue culture of monkey kidney cells, bovine fetal tissue and such, which in turn is poisoned with chemicals and antibiotics. They then extrapolate a computer sequence of the virus based on the toxic brew they've created--which already included the genetic material they were looking for--and say, "Look, we've isolated the virus!"

The PCR test was the icing on the cake, because the cycling allowed them to see whatever they wanted to see.

This has led some to feel that what we call a "virus" isn't actually a cause of illness, but a symptom (that is, cells exude viruses in response to toxins - like the brew created to "isolate" the virus, in a similar sense that bacteria is often the body's response to toxic elements). See the work of Stefan Lanka for more on this.

 

[Kieran]

I remember last year when people were being censored by Youtube for saying "Vitamin C is good for your immune system," let alone various protocols (C, D, zinc, or melatonin and niacin) that actual doctors were recommending.

The other thing that is considered too fringe to discuss is the fact that the virus has never been isolated or purified in actual living tissue. This is a problem with virology in general: viruses can't be isolated without injecting the substance into a tissue culture of monkey kidney cells, bovine fetal tissue and such, which in turn is poisoned with chemicals and antibiotics. They then extrapolate a computer sequence of the virus based on the toxic brew they've created--which already included the genetic material they were looking for--and say, "Look, we've isolated the virus!"

The PCR test was the icing on the cake, because the cycling allowed them to see whatever they wanted to see.

This has led some to feel that what we call a "virus" isn't actually a cause of illness, but a symptom (that is, cells exude viruses in response to toxins - like the brew created to "isolate" the virus, in a similar sense that bacteria is often the body's response to toxic elements). See the work of Stefan Lanka for more on this.

Will have to look him up, that’s very interesting. And yeah, it’s a cruel twist when we see how totalitarian some states are becoming with regards to the vaccine, and yet the basic, common guidance towards healthy - natural - supplements is neglected, or hidden in the small print.

I suppose the cynic in me might wonder is there not enough profit in these things, but they certainly help. In fact, in Ireland we hear only fear, and statements of people dying “of covid” as opposed to “with covid”, but nothing from the health tyrants about how to boost our immunity. It’s a bug bear with me, since I think we all should bear as much responsibility for our own health as we can, before we look for medical help…

 

[Front242]

Good for him! I see Germany are thinking going in lockstep with the Austrians in locking up the unvaccinated. What can go wrong with that, eh? And when it fails, what will they do then? Reverse the lockdown, and lockdown the vaccinated? I read this funny quote the other day:

“Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?”

Now, I’m in two minds about the vaccines - I see benefits for some, but not for all - so I’m not fully on either wing, but that made me laugh and agree, when I read it…

Haha yeah love that quote. I've seen it before a few times and it perfectly sums up how pathetic the world is right now.

The vaxxed are the ones spreading this in countries like Ireland where they test no one going indoors to packed pubs, restaurants and night clubs but it's easier (despite being completely nonsensical) to blame the unvaxxed who aren't allowed in and are stuck at home and the sheep morons lap it up like most things they read from their lamestream media and TV news. I liked the tacit acknowledgment from our dipshit government last night that it's the vaxxed spreading this with the pubs and clubs to close at midnight cos they're only full of vaxxed. They're never gonna come out and say it but that's what anyone with half a brain can gather from that...

 

[tented]

Haha yeah love that quote. I've seen it before a few times and it perfectly sums up how pathetic the world is right now.

The vaxxed are the ones spreading this in countries like Ireland where they test no one going indoors to packed pubs, restaurants and night clubs but it's easier (despite being completely nonsensical) to blame the unvaxxed who aren't allowed in and are stuck at home and the sheep morons lap it up like most things they read from their lamestream media and TV news. I liked the tacit acknowledgment from our dipshit government last night that it's the vaxxed spreading this with the pubs and clubs to close at midnight cos they're only full of vaxxed. They're never gonna come out and say it but that's what anyone with half a brain can gather from that...

If they test no one who’s going into these places, then you can’t say it’s only the vaccinated who are spreading covid. I get that theoretically only the vaccinated are going in, but since they aren’t testing, there’s no way to confirm that. You’re counting on everyone following the rules, when there’s no way to measure whether or not they’re breaking them, and when has that ever happened?

 

[Kieran]

If they test no one who’s going into these places, then you can’t say it’s only the vaccinated who are spreading covid. I get that theoretically only the vaccinated are going in, but since they aren’t testing, there’s no way to confirm that. You’re counting on everyone following the rules, when there’s no way to measure whether or not they’re breaking them, and when has that ever happened?

This is true, they’ve been very lax in checking iD in some pubs I’ve been to, I suppose the logic being - from their side - that they’re desperate to save their ailing business - but when you’re inside you don’t know who’s vaccinated, and who isn’t..

 

[Front242]

If they test no one who’s going into these places, then you can’t say it’s only the vaccinated who are spreading covid. I get that theoretically only the vaccinated are going in, but since they aren’t testing, there’s no way to confirm that. You’re counting on everyone following the rules, when there’s no way to measure whether or not they’re breaking them, and when has that ever happened?

The fact remains the overwhelming majority of adults are vaccinated so the point still stands that it's mostly vaxxed spreading this.

 

[Kieran]

The fact remains the overwhelming majority of adults are vaccinated so the point still stands that it's mostly vaxxed spreading this.

I just seen an article in one of the Irish dailies, stating loudly that the booster shots are crucial now. They’re to be given after five months, apparently.

Okay. Imagine this is true. It still represents a shift in what we were told previously. I certainly wasn’t promised a vaccine with only a 5 month shelf life. The point I’m making is, they don’t know enough definitively about the virus, and they don’t know enough definitively about the vaccines. So on what basis are some governments locking up unvaccinated people? If there’s a definitive “science” about either virus or vaccine, then the evidence that supports a policy like this would be all over the news, and the hesitant would be won over.

In favour of the vaccines, it must be said that although about 48% of patients in ICU in Ireland are vaccinated, they come from a pool of about 90% of the population, whereas the 52% in ICU who are unvaccinated come from only 10% of the population. However, I’m both wary and weary of stats like this because they don’t tell us the tale behind the numbers. Are all the people in ICU suffering from conditions that make them susceptible to Covid regardless of whether they’re vaccinated or not? We don’t know. And this is how statistics can be weaponised.

I don’t have buyers remorse about getting the vaccine, because the vaccine hasn’t affected me, and catching covid didn’t really bother me either. I never feared covid, nor the vaccine. I know of a man my age who’s vaccinated, caught covid and is now in hospital. There but for the grace of God, etc…

 

[britbox]

I just seen an article in one of the Irish dailies, stating loudly that the booster shots are crucial now. They’re to be given after five months, apparently.

Okay. Imagine this is true. It still represents a shift in what we were told previously. I certainly wasn’t promised a vaccine with only a 5 month shelf life. The point I’m making is, they don’t know enough definitively about the virus, and they don’t know enough definitively about the vaccines. So on what basis are some governments locking up unvaccinated people? If there’s a definitive “science” about either virus or vaccine, then the evidence that supports a policy like this would be all over the news, and the hesitant would be won over.

In favour of the vaccines, it must be said that although about 48% of patients in ICU in Ireland are vaccinated, they come from a pool of about 90% of the population, whereas the 52% in ICU who are unvaccinated come from only 10% of the population. However, I’m both wary and weary of stats like this because they don’t tell us the tale behind the numbers. Are all the people in ICU suffering from conditions that make them susceptible to Covid regardless of whether they’re vaccinated or not? We don’t know. And this is how statistics can be weaponised.

I don’t have buyers remorse about getting the vaccine, because the vaccine hasn’t affected me, and catching covid didn’t really bother me either. I never feared covid, nor the vaccine. I know of a man my age who’s vaccinated, caught covid and is now in hospital. There but for the grace of God, etc…

It's worth keeping an eye on Israel, as they are further down the track. They're rolling out Jab No.4.

Virus czar calls to begin readying for eventual 4th vaccine dose

Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: 'This is our life from now on, in waves'

www.timesofisrael.com

People have already checked the App coding and the scope is for 8 jabs - not sure if this is 2+6 boosters or 8 boosters.

Meanwhile, Gibraltar, which boasts near 100% vaccination rate are locking down with more spikes.

Maybe, Luc Montagnier (Nobel Prize winner) was correct - the jabs are creating the variants. Either way, you'll have a decision to make - get on board with this programme or jump off the bus.

 

[Moxie]

I debated putting this link here or on the ATP news thread, but these Covid conversations tend to take over on the tennis ones. I mean not so much by it, just that it illustrates the differences of opinion, amongst players, and amongst us here. Rafa and Nick are in the category of Just do it, and that it's "selfish" not to. (I have used that word myself.) I have been trying to take a more open-minded approach to Covid vaccine aversion, based on this conversation. And I do hear you guys saying that being Covid-vaccine cautious or averse doesn't make anyone an overall "anti-vaxxer," and that loaded words aren't necessary. Anyway, I thought this was interesting also vis-a-vis what happens in Oz this coming Jan.

Rafa Nadal speaks out amid Novak Djokovic furore

The Spaniard has weighed in on the tennis vaccination debate that is raging on around the world. More here.

au.sports.yahoo.com

 

[britbox]

I have been trying to take a more open-minded approach to Covid vaccine aversion, based on this conversation.

Has it changed anything?

 

[Moxie]

Has it changed anything?

I think so, for me. Just what I said. That I rather see more room for skepticism and don't see it all as blind anti-scientific fear.

 

[Front242]

VigiAccess was launched by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 2015 to provide public access to information in VigiBase, the WHO global database of reported potential side effects of medicinal products. Side effects – known technically as adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and adverse events following immunization (AEFIs) – are reported by national pharmacovigilance centres or national drug regulatory authorities that are members of the WHO Programme for International Drug Monitoring (PIDM). WHO PIDM was created in 1968 to ensure the safer and more effective use of medicinal products.

http://vigiaccess.org/?fbclid=IwAR3iFrdK155AU3BbEphlebQx1wlUA0vVv2kTwfZ8CgVKrgTOAh2Rho0RZk8

Search for comirnaty. This is the Pfizer covid "vaccine" or Vaxzevria which is AstraZeneca's "vaccine".