Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Kieran]

A question for those us who are vaccinated - and most especially, a question for those of us who believe in mandatory vaccination, compulsory vaccination, and hugely prohibitive restrictions for the unvaccinated - are you even a little disappointed by performance of the vaccines?

The reason I ask is because I see a news report today which cites a study published in the British Medical Journal that stated that less than 3 months after the second jab, the Pfizer vaccine begins to lose its potency.

Experts from the Research Institute of Leumit Health Services in Israel found a gradual increase in the risk of Covid-19 infection from 90 days after people received a second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

A booster is being recommended here in Ireland for 5 months after the second jab, but now it seems, 5 months is too long to wait, begging the question, if we get do the booster jab, then when are we due to get a booster for the booster?

This is all a long way from where we were only 5 brief months ago:

This could mean that Pfizer and Moderna recipients could have long-lasting immunity - for years or potentially the rest of their lives - and may not even need boosters, reported first by The New York Times.

They don’t know enough about the vaccines, I said this before, and they don’t know enough about the virus. So how can they make any vaccine mandatory, given how rapidly they’re having to backtrack and make excuses, and then promise magic booster shots that they can’t even guarantee will last you until the next weekend?

 

[tented]

A question for those us who are vaccinated - and most especially, a question for those of us who believe in mandatory vaccination, compulsory vaccination, and hugely prohibitive restrictions for the unvaccinated - are you even a little disappointed by performance of the vaccines?

The reason I ask is because I see a news report today which cites a study published in the British Medical Journal that stated that less than 3 months after the second jab, the Pfizer vaccine begins to lose its potency.


A booster is being recommended here in Ireland for 5 months after the second jab, but now it seems, 5 months is too long to wait, begging the question, if we get do the booster jab, then when are we due to get a booster for the booster?

This is all a long way from where we were only 5 brief months ago:



They don’t know enough about the vaccines, I said this before, and they don’t know enough about the virus. So how can they make any vaccine mandatory, given how rapidly they’re having to backtrack and make excuses, and then promise magic booster shots that they can’t even guarantee will last you until the next weekend?

I’m cynical: I think the Big Pharma companies involved in these vaccines know enough about them to manipulate their efficacy. It wouldn’t surprise me if they could produce a longer-lasting vaccine, but won’t because that would reduce their need, therefore reduce profits. As long as everyone keeps needing a booster every few months, the money will keep pouring in. It would require governments shutting off the money spigots to get Big Pharma to back down from this approach.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

In regards to 'booster shots' with a virus, eg the flu injection most years is upgraded to protect new strains.I expect with COVID booster shots we will see the same in future years,There is a new strain from South Africa of COVID,at present I have not read enough information on it.

 

[Kieran]

I’m cynical: I think the Big Pharma companies involved in these vaccines know enough about them to manipulate their efficacy. It wouldn’t surprise me if they could produce a longer-lasting vaccine, but won’t because that would reduce their need, therefore reduce profits. As long as everyone keeps needing a booster every few months, the money will keep pouring in. It would require governments shutting off the money spigots to get Big Pharma to back down from this approach.

I won't be getting a booster every few months. I kept the receipt for this one. I got my Covid green card for travel, then ironically I caught Covid just days before my flight. Catching Covid is my booster jab. After this, it'll largely depend on how I can travel. If it's by PCR test, that's cool. I never bought into the emotional blackmail around the flu jab. I haven't had a flu in over thirty years. I totally agree with you about the pharma companies, and I think they should be held to account. They can't be selling drugs based on claims that aren't stacking up. I see Pfizer are now leering at the camera and boasting that their new anti-virus pill is a stud muffin. The stats are in, they say, this stallion will gallop all night long!

The stats on this stud muffin, however, look exactly like the vaccine stats, the vaccine that now suffers from brewers droop after a glass of water. Nobody wants a stud like that...

 

[El Dude]

Ha, I learned a new term: Brewer's droop.

 

[britbox]

OMG The "Botswana" variant is coming! Codename "Nue" in Greek. Run for the hills.

Rinse and repeat...

Flatten the curve...
Protect the Health Systems...

We know the script... FFS Guys... wake up. This is beyond parody.

 

[Kieran]

OMG The "Botswana" variant is coming! Codename "Nue" in Greek. Run for the hills.

Rinse and repeat...

Flatten the curve...
Protect the Health Systems...

We know the script... FFS Guys... wake up. This is beyond parody.

They’ve definitely lost the plot with regards to this, though in fairness to the Brits, even the promiscuous lothario of doom, Neil Ferguson, is claiming that the UK may now have reached herd immunity, due to their insistence on trying to stay as open as possible, since summer. The logic being one I wish we’d all embrace, which is that we have to face this virus head on and build natural immunity to it. It’s no different to other viruses in that regard. Sweden, meanwhile, are declaring victory for their policy, which is the envy of all people who want a government who trust their people, and of people who think freedom is more important than politics. In fact, Freedom should be the business of politics, but it isn’t…

 

[Front242]

In regards to 'booster shots' with a virus, eg the flu injection most years is upgraded to protect new strains.I expect with COVID booster shots we will see the same in future years,There is a new strain from South Africa of COVID,at present I have not read enough information on it.

Here's all you need to know about this new variant...glad people everywhere are waking up to this bs.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Here's all you need to know about this new variant...glad people everywhere are waking up to this bs.

Well our government in Australia has now banned flights coming into our country from South Africa,though it is too early to tell exactly what this new variant is like., Australians returning from South Africa will have to go into 14 day quarantine Apparently there have been a couple of cases in England.

 

[Moxie]

Here's all you need to know about this new variant...glad people everywhere are waking up to this bs.

This is too paranoid for me.

 

[Kieran]

Now, I’m not generally a person who favours hyperbolic and extreme or divisive language when it comes to politics, but this person is dangerous, and shouldn’t be in any position of authority, in any government, if he can’t even get his head around language first, and peoples freedom to hold thoughts in good faith, second, and peoples rights to choose what they put into their bodies, third.

Especially given how little all of us, including the scientists creating them, seem to know about the long term efficiency of the vaccines.

Or else he’s just not handling the pressure well, in which case he should still think of stepping aside. This is not leadership, it’s hateful and unhelpful demagoguery.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I won't be getting a booster every few months. I kept the receipt for this one. I got my Covid green card for travel, then ironically I caught Covid just days before my flight. Catching Covid is my booster jab. After this, it'll largely depend on how I can travel. If it's by PCR test, that's cool. I never bought into the emotional blackmail around the flu jab. I haven't had a flu in over thirty years. I totally agree with you about the pharma companies, and I think they should be held to account. They can't be selling drugs based on claims that aren't stacking up. I see Pfizer are now leering at the camera and boasting that their new anti-virus pill is a stud muffin. The stats are in, they say, this stallion will gallop all night long!

The stats on this stud muffin, however, look exactly like the vaccine stats, the vaccine that now suffers from brewers droop after a glass of water. Nobody wants a stud like that...

Kieran..you have said previously that you took the vaccine vaccination shot because you had concerned about others in your family may get impacted by COVID 19. That's it..Its about how you can protect others not all that "I haven't gotten a flu in 30 years blah blah blah, or how big PHARMA is making a killing ( literally)" that's Always a given. If not don't take the booster, or consider it in future if your plight is to still to seek more data..Just because someone believes in the science doesn't make them derelict in their decision. If you Don't want to take it Don't but don't discourage others because there's a high probability they are correct and may be saving lives

 

[Kieran]

Kieran..you have said previously that you took the vaccine vaccination shot because you had concerned about others in your family may get impacted by COVID 19. That's it..Its about how you can protect others not all that "I haven't gotten a flu in 30 years blah blah blah, or how big PHARMA is making a killing ( literally)" that's Always a given. If not don't take the booster, or consider it in future if your plight is to still to seek more data..Just because someone believes in the science doesn't make them derelict in their decision. If you Don't want to take it Don't but don't discourage others because there's a high probability they are correct and may be saving lives

You know, brother, I sometimes wish you’d read what I write more carefully, or represent what I wrote in your posts more accurately.

I never said that I took the vaccine because I “had concerned about others in [my] family may get impacted by COVID 19.”

That’s not the reason why I got vaccinated. Here’s the reason why I took it, followed by the link to where I wrote this:

I got the vaccine not because I felt vulnerable to the virus, but because my nephews and nieces were stuck in a limbo, their lives on hold while the unaccountable donkeys that govern us made up ever more implausible control-freak ways to avoid letting them loose.

Covid vaccine - opinions?

Wrong. That's what the corrupt media are telling you. We can all see plain as day that the countries with the highest levels of vaccination also have the largest numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, far surpassing this time last year with no vaccines. These are the final stats from...

www.tennisfrontier.com

In other words, I didn’t get vaccinated to protect anyone from the effects of Covid, I got vaccinated because I believed that the vaccine was a way for us in Ireland to escape the cycle of bad, idiotic, unscientific government decisions that are ruining peoples lives.

So if I was thinking of “protecting others”, it was to protect them from bad government. It was with the hope at the young and old and everyone in between might be able to get in with their lives and not be held captive by bad decisions, driven in Ireland by unelected, self important health tsars.

If others need to be protected from the virus, then obviously they’re the ones who need to be restricted in their movements, for self preservation sake. I can’t protect them from it, the virus is striking in ways that nobody understands. The healthy and vaccinated are ending up in hospital. The unvaccinated are catching it and not even noticing it. And vice versa. And the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are spreading it.

An interesting thing you say:

Just because someone believes in the science doesn't make them derelict in their decision

That’s right. There are many people who believe in “The Science” who have chosen not to get vaccinated. I wish the people who are like the dangerous demagogue in the video above would understand this, that the science on the vaccine is changing all the time. The early expectations have been downgraded. The expected results are less than were hoped for. If we “believe in the science”, then we ask questions, try to discover the truth. That’s the realm of science, and how it works.

If you Don't want to take it Don't but don't discourage others because there's a high probability they are correct and may be saving lives

I haven’t discouraged anyone from taking the vaccine. Read more carefully what I’m saying. But also, accept that you haven’t a clue what I’m saying to people away from the forum. If people aren’t making their own inquiries, then they’re fools. People shouldn’t only be listening to inconsistent health officials in their countries, hoping that, well they’ve been wrong and often dishonest all along, but this time they’re right. People should research these things for themselves, and do this in good faith and with an open mind.

By the way, I also said above somewhere that I don’t regret getting the vaccine. I may even get the booster, if it’s the only way I can travel. I said that above, in the post you quoted: “Catching Covid is my booster jab. After this, it'll largely depend on how I can travel.”

But I haven’t gotten any of these things solely for health reasons because I believe my immune system has a good shot against this. It might be that when I caught Covid I had it easy because of the vaccine, but it might not be. The science can’t help me here, because it doesn’t know…

 

[britbox]

Very interesting video following the COVID money... pretty grim watching. As with all of these types of video, if he's wrong on a point, call it out. You may not like his opinions/conclusions but I'd strongly suggest looking at the evidence he puts forward anyway.

 

[the AntiPusher]

You know, brother, I sometimes wish you’d read what I write more carefully, or represent what I wrote in your posts more accurately.

I never said that I took the vaccine because I “had concerned about others in [my] family may get impacted by COVID 19.”

That’s not the reason why I got vaccinated. Here’s the reason why I took it, followed by the link to where I wrote this:

Covid vaccine - opinions?

Wrong. That's what the corrupt media are telling you. We can all see plain as day that the countries with the highest levels of vaccination also have the largest numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, far surpassing this time last year with no vaccines. These are the final stats from...

www.tennisfrontier.com

In other words, I didn’t get vaccinated to protect anyone from the effects of Covid, I got vaccinated because I believed that the vaccine was a way for us in Ireland to escape the cycle of bad, idiotic, unscientific government decisions that are ruining peoples lives.

So if I was thinking of “protecting others”, it was to protect them from bad government. It was with the hope at the young and old and everyone in between might be able to get in with their lives and not be held captive by bad decisions, driven in Ireland by unelected, self important health tsars.

If others need to be protected from the virus, then obviously they’re the ones who need to be restricted in their movements, for self preservation sake. I can’t protect them from it, the virus is striking in ways that nobody understands. The healthy and vaccinated are ending up in hospital. The unvaccinated are catching it and not even noticing it. And vice versa. And the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are spreading it.

An interesting thing you say:


That’s right. There are many people who believe in “The Science” who have chosen not to get vaccinated. I wish the people who are like the dangerous demagogue in the video above would understand this, that the science on the vaccine is changing all the time. The early expectations have been downgraded. The expected results are less than were hoped for. If we “believe in the science”, then we ask questions, try to discover the truth. That’s the realm of science, and how it works.


I haven’t discouraged anyone from taking the vaccine. Read more carefully what I’m saying. But also, accept that you haven’t a clue what I’m saying to people away from the forum. If people aren’t making their own inquiries, then they’re fools. People shouldn’t only be listening to inconsistent health officials in their countries, hoping that, well they’ve been wrong and often dishonest all along, but this time they’re right. People should research these things for themselves, and do this in good faith and with an open mind.

By the way, I also said above somewhere that I don’t regret getting the vaccine. I may even get the booster, if it’s the only way I can travel. I said that above, in the post you quoted: “Catching Covid is my booster jab. After this, it'll largely depend on how I can travel.”

But I haven’t gotten any of these things solely for health reasons because I believe my immune system has a good shot against this. It might be that when I caught Covid I had it easy because of the vaccine, but it might not be. The science can’t help me here, because it doesn’t know…

My brother I wasn't talking about this post but I recalled a different conversation with you where you mentioned it. if I was WRONG I will admit it and apologize to you.. Peace

 

[Kieran]

My brother I wasn't talking about this post but I recalled a different conversation with you where you mentioned it. if I was WRONG I will admit it and apologize to you.. Peace

No worries, my friend. The reason I got the vaccine was posted here. No need for an apology. Hope you’re keeping well!

 

[the AntiPusher]

No worries, my friend. The reason I got the vaccine was posted here. No need for an apology. Hope you’re keeping well!

Brother..I was just talking with my youngest daughter at breakfast about getting the booster shot..I am quadruple vaccinated..since 2020 I have had two flu vaccine vaccination shots( not that it's gonna prevent the effects of Covid) and 3 Pfizer's vaccine vaccination shot including the booster shot last month. I have observed since I took the Pfizer's vaccine vaccination shot in February and March that the flu vaccine vaccination and booster shot after effects was a little more taxing on my body than usual. God bless and take care.

 

[Kieran]

Brother..I was just talking with my youngest daughter at breakfast about getting the booster shot..I am quadruple vaccinated..since 2020 I have had two flu vaccine vaccination shots( not that it's gonna prevent the effects of Covid) and 3 Pfizer's vaccine vaccination shot including the booster shot last month. I have observed since I took the Pfizer's vaccine vaccination shot in February and March that the flu vaccine vaccination and booster shot after effects was a little more taxing on my body than usual. God bless and take care.

Look after yourself!

You know, in Ireland last winter we had hardly any cases of flu, and no flu-related deaths, due to Covid forcing out the opposition, and of course, our lockdown. I wonder if that will be the case this winter, and if so, if people aren’t wiser to skip the flu jab? The body can only handle so much..

 

[Kieran]

Very interesting video following the COVID money... pretty grim watching. As with all of these types of video, if he's wrong on a point, call it out. You may not like his opinions/conclusions but I'd strongly suggest looking at the evidence he puts forward anyway.

I’ll have a watch of this over the next few days, it’s too long for me today, but thanks, looking forward to it!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Look after yourself!

You know, in Ireland last winter we had hardly any cases of flu, and no flu-related deaths, due to Covid forcing out the opposition, and of course, our lockdown. I wonder if that will be the case this winter, and if so, if people aren’t wiser to skip the flu jab? The body can only handle so much..

That's true.the body can only accept so many jabs..as for taking the flu vaccine vaccination shot, I still think regardless of the low cases recently, it will resurface because that's what a virus does. It will lay dormant waiting for a immune system defense to be lower so it can attack and grow.. That's my two cents I learned from a few years of college biology..but that was a long time ago.in a galaxy Far Far Away.. jajaja..take care of yourself and your family.