Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

Covid is statistically a "Murray" when it comes previous plagues the world has seen. They're Big 3, snaffling up everything and everyone, whereas this is nowhere near as potent or catastrophic, or successful, on its own terms, going by the numbers. Spanish Flu was a Big 3 virus, by comparison. But also, the Polio vaccine works as vaccines should. It's been the disease killer in the west. The vaccines for Covid aren't stopping it, and that could have something to do with the question of whether it's wise to introduce a vaccine for a virus that's still in flux...

Exactly what Geert Vanden Bossche said and he has some of the impressive credentials on this subject on the whole planet.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Link from his site "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants." https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec...d/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf

Open letter to the WHO. Ignored by them and now we have the more transmissible albeit far less deadly delta variant. Way less deadly despite what some clowns on forums locally in Ireland and everywhere else try and tell you and that's why less people are dying rather than the vaccines supposedly working. He warned against mass vaccination making things worse and was ignored by the most important voice in this whole "pandemic" which is in quotes because in a real pandemic like the Spanish flu, people of all ages are dropping dead left, right and centre. Not the case by a long margin with covid. Official stats are always in the region of 99.4-99.6% of the whole planet in mild condition on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If it was so damn bad like lame stream media make out would it be 99.6% of people in mild condition ? Of course not. Enough of this bs....

Current stats as of right now:

18,959,039
Currently Infected Patients
18,881,998 (99.6%)
in Mild Condition
77,041 (0.4%)
Serious or Critical

 

[the AntiPusher]

Covid is statistically a "Murray" when it comes previous plagues the world has seen. They're Big 3, snaffling up everything and everyone, whereas this is nowhere near as potent or catastrophic, or successful, on its own terms, going by the numbers. Spanish Flu was a Big 3 virus, by comparison. But also, the Polio vaccine works as vaccines should. It's been the disease killer in the west. The vaccines for Covid aren't stopping it, and that could have something to do with the question of whether it's wise to introduce a vaccine for a virus that's still in flux...

Just when I think I am out you bring me back In.. What does those other plagues have in common with COVID 19..? Not much because this is an airborne pathogens which is 10 times more deadly than those other plagues.

 

[Kieran]

Now this is both a local Irish problem, but also a problem exacerbated by any lunatic governments virtue signalling on Covid at the expense of every other health catastrophe. Our overfed health mandarins in Ireland have previous blood on their hands due to a horrible cervical cancer scandal, and they don't seem to learn their lessons quickly. I happen to think they're oblivious to the carnage they're responsible for.

Deaths to rise due to cancer screening backlog - expert

A backlog in screening programmes and long waiting lists will lead to delayed cancer diagnoses and increased mortality, according to a specialist in the disease.

www.rte.ie

Now I see reports that despite us having vaccinated the population beyond the previously believed "herd immunity" level - like everything Covid-related, the goalposts shift very often on this - we could be heading into another pre-Christmas lockdown. So when nobody was vaccinated, we went into lockdowns, and when we're beyond the point believed to achieve herd immunity, we're still being overrun.

Are we being badly governed? Of course. But are we also repeating the mistake of thinking that lockdowns work? Of course - because we're being badly governed...

 

[Kieran]

Just when I think I am out you bring me back In.. What does those other plagues have in common with COVID 19..? Not much because this is an airborne pathogens which is 10 times more deadly than those other plagues.

Just to clarify, what "other plagues" is Covid "10 times more deadly than?" Certainly not the Spanish Flu, which is one I named. The stats on Covid are minuscule - and were minuscule before the vaccines arrived.

It's a Murray brother, not a Rafa. Not a Novak, or a Roger, either...

 

[the AntiPusher]

Just to clarify, what "other plagues" is Covid "10 times more deadly than?" Certainly not the Spanish Flu, which is one I named. The stats on Covid are minuscule - and were minuscule before the vaccines arrived.

It's a Murray brother, not a Rafa. Not a Novak, or a Roger, either...

Kieran..are you saying that an airborne pathogens are on par with Polio measles and all the other plagues.

 

[Kieran]

Kieran..are you saying that an airborne pathogens are on par with Polio measles and all the other plagues.

I asked you the question, brother. You said that covid “is an airborne pathogens which is 10 times more deadly than those other plagues.”

Which plagues is it more deadly than? Its numbers are tiny…

 

[the AntiPusher]

I asked you the question, brother. You said that covid “is an airborne pathogens which is 10 times more deadly than those other plagues.”

Which plagues is it more deadly than? Its numbers are tiny…

I answered your question twice, all of them because this plague is an airborne pathogen that has the ability of mutation into various varients to stay alive. I think you are looking for some type of data but it's very direct, really pretty much cut and dry. I will leave this thread because I have tried to give facts which for some of you will NEVER supercede a person's right of choice regardless of the circumstances. That was the basic premise of this thread not opinion but rather the legitimacy of the vaccine vs a person's right of choice.

 

[Kieran]

I answered your question twice, all of them because this plague is an airborne pathogen that has the ability of mutation into various varients to stay alive. I think you are looking for some type of data but it's very direct, really pretty much cut and dry. I will leave this thread because I have tried to give facts which for some of you will NEVER supercede a person's right of choice regardless of the circumstances. That was the basic premise of this thread not opinion but rather the legitimacy of the vaccine vs a person's right of choice.

Wait! Before you leave, can you give us "facts" that show that this is "10 times more deadly" than any plague? Because the death rate is tiny, in a world of 7 billion people...

EDIT: by the way, @the AntiPusher , I appreciate it fully if you want to leave the thread, we spend a lot of time on threads like this and feeling continuously drawn into arguments and cul de sacs over these things isn't always the most productive use of our day, so don't feel I'm trying to goad you, or score points, or waste your time. I think we both appreciate that we're trying to figure out the seismic happening, but as the song goes, "meantime life goes on all around you..."

 

[Carol]

Australia is doing well, it's better to prevent than to cry

Covid Is Surging in Europe. Experts Say It's a Warning for the U.S.

As Europe finds itself at the epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic once again, experts say it should serve as a “warning” to the U.S. and other countries about the virus’ “unremitting” nature.

www.nbcmiami.com

 

[Kieran]

Australia is doing well, it's better to prevent than to cry

Covid Is Surging in Europe. Experts Say It's a Warning for the U.S.

As Europe finds itself at the epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic once again, experts say it should serve as a “warning” to the U.S. and other countries about the virus’ “unremitting” nature.

www.nbcmiami.com

They all do well, and then they cry…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

They all do well, and then they cry…

and then they cry? please explain as I live in Australia and have worked in ICU with COVID patients now for nearly 2 years.

 

[Carol]

They all do well, and then they cry…

Here in USA the numbers of contagions are rising in some states where there are less vaccinated, if people continues being so skeptical this story never is going to finish

 

[Kieran]

Here in USA the numbers of contagions are rising in some states where there are less vaccinated, if people continues being so skeptical this story never is going to finish

It seems to go like a yo-yo. In Ireland, we had the most severe lockdown in the EU, we have 89% of the population fully vaccinated, another few % who have no need of a vaccine since they already caught it and are currently immune - and we have the highest rate of cases in the EU, and are 12th in the world.

So either the lockdowns don't work, the vaccines don't work - or the virus does work, and very hard, too. I'm not being facetious. This virus is no respecter of lockdowns. It lies in wait. Australia may feel they can reach zero Covid, but they can't. They're only delaying the day when the virus runs riot. The Queen Bee in New Zealand has finally recognised the stupidity of her zero covid dream. The rest of the country will pay the cost...

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

It seems to go like a yo-yo. In Ireland, we had the most severe lockdown in the EU, we have 89% of the population fully vaccinated, another few % who have no need of a vaccine since they already caught it and are currently immune - and we have the highest rate of cases in the EU, and are 12th in the world.

So either the lockdowns don't work, the vaccines don't work - or the virus does work, and very hard, too. I'm not being facetious. This virus is no respecter of lockdowns. It lies in wait. Australia may feel they can reach zero Covid, but they can't. They're only delaying the day when the virus runs riot. The Queen Bee in New Zealand has finally recognised the stupidity of her zero covid dream. The rest of the country will pay the cost...

It depends on what state of Australia you are referring to.In Sydney where I live,we have already realized you cannot achieve zero COVID cases,also Victoria.

 

[Carol]

It seems to go like a yo-yo. In Ireland, we had the most severe lockdown in the EU, we have 89% of the population fully vaccinated, another few % who have no need of a vaccine since they already caught it and are currently immune - and we have the highest rate of cases in the EU, and are 12th in the world.

So either the lockdowns don't work, the vaccines don't work - or the virus does work, and very hard, too. I'm not being facetious. This virus is no respecter of lockdowns. It lies in wait. Australia may feel they can reach zero Covid, but they can't. They're only delaying the day when the virus runs riot. The Queen Bee in New Zealand has finally recognised the stupidity of her zero covid dream. The rest of the country will pay the cost

We know the virus is present all around the world and unfortunately is going to stay but thanks to the vaccine there not so many cases and of course people are not dying like one year ego which the numbers were so worrying

 

[Front242]

Australia is doing well, it's better to prevent than to cry

Covid Is Surging in Europe. Experts Say It's a Warning for the U.S.

As Europe finds itself at the epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic once again, experts say it should serve as a “warning” to the U.S. and other countries about the virus’ “unremitting” nature.

www.nbcmiami.com

I'd only call it good if police brutality was my thing but it's not..the police there are absolute scum.

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/police-brutality-escalates-under-the-cover-of-covid/

 

[Carol]

I'd only call it good if police brutality was my thing but it's not..the police there are absolute scum.

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/police-brutality-escalates-under-the-cover-of-covid/

Wow, it seems pretty bad action

 

[Kieran]

The original notion behind lockdowns - to flatten the curve - was easily understood and accepted by most people. The newer version - to flatten the country - is less preferable. We all have a responsibility to stop the spread, it’s not just down to craven politicians and well fed, careerist health tyrants. Locking people down will only work for so long, but politicians should remember, that lockdowns are in the gift of the people, and as soon as they remove their consent, the game is up. I think we’re at that point now. I hope so, anyway..

 

[Federberg]

 

[Kieran]

It’s difficult to see how Austria’s decision to remove the rights of citizens to make their own health choices can end well. Certainly not for their government, who seem to have completely lost their senses. But an interesting side effect of Covid lockdowns has always been the class divide. Frankly, those who get paid to stay at home are largely in favour of lockdowns. They feel safer. And largely, they’re in better paid jobs.

So in Ireland, the lowest instances of cases during the height of the last wave was found in a south country Dublin area called Blackrock, a beautiful well heeled area by the sea. And the highest numbers were find in working class areas where people were regularly having to use public transport and work in larger groups etc, living in blocks of flats, greater population density, and so on.

So the article mentions that this is the case now in Austria:

What strikes me most is the class inflection to the whole thing. We started this morning on one of the fancier shopping streets in the old town, full of Rolex and Karl Lagerfeld stores in which well-heeled locals lined up to express their support for the lockdown. There is very little sympathy for a truculent minority that is seen as “stupid” and “having brought it on themselves”.

On the same street, however, if you approach the people wearing fluorescent vests, guarding the stores and making deliveries, you tend to get a different response. They are more reluctant to speak to us, but decidedly less supportive. “It is bullshit,” was one man’s pithy response.

Inside Austria's lockdown for the unvaccinated

Vienna UPDATE: Don’t miss the full story and video report, now live HERE I’m in Vienna on day one of the world’s first lockdown for only the unvaccinated. At first glance it seems like an ordinary, if rather grey, November day — perhaps with slightly fewer people out and about than you might...

unherd.com