Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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Another example of how the covid vaccines science data is incomplete, and why covid vaccine-hesitant people are right to be cautious:

 

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No it doesn't and plenty of studies have been posted in this thread showing that. The vaccines were made back when the original Wuhan strain was dominant and hence why they do swa for transmission against the now dominant delta strain. The highest vaccinated countries have the highest numbers of cases so your claim is false. Cases are increasing because of moronic global practices of letting the vaxxed hop on planes riddled with no test and go infect everyone on the plane potentially and in the countries they go to and also the restaurants and pubs in their own countries and the places abroad they travel to and then hop on the plane back home riddled and bring their germs back with them. Unvaxxed on the contrary have to take a PCR test to fly both ways so they're the only people you know do not have covid out of all those people. The system is a joke...
Your issues are the fully vaccinated are able to be "reintroduce" into the old standard of living yet the unvaccinated or antivacca are treated like mutants of a different society similar to the XMEN comics. Front, if this is true. Where in lies your solution?
 

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Your issues are the fully vaccinated are able to be "reintroduce" into the old standard of living yet the unvaccinated or antivacca are treated like mutants of a different society similar to the XMEN comics. Front, if this is true. Where in lies your solution?
AP, what’s your view on the EU having vaccine hesitancy with regards to the Moderna vaccine?

Are they anti vaxxers? Or are they right to exercise caution?
 

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Your issues are the fully vaccinated are able to be "reintroduce" into the old standard of living yet the unvaccinated or antivacca are treated like mutants of a different society similar to the XMEN comics. Front, if this is true. Where in lies your solution?
My solution is not to be a sheep and not to give in and not take something that will very possibly destroy people's immune systems over time as warned by top doctors who were just ignored. I mentioned before I couldn't care less for going to pubs other than when people occasionally ask me to go out and even then I can go for drinks outside if I really want to, which I don't right now. I'd only go out so they stop pestering me to go out. Restaurants I couldn't care less for and prefer takeaway but this is about principle and it's not right either scientifically or ethically to not allow unvaccinated people in when there's more likelihood that people who are vaxxed and go out and mingle frequently are much more likely carriers of covid than those stuck at home. Makes a lot of sense when people actually put 2 and 2 together and stop believing all the unvaccinated are the bad guys bs on tv and lame stream media.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ <------ Educate the masses.
 
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AP, what’s your view on the EU having vaccine hesitancy with regards to the Moderna vaccine?

Are they anti vaxxers? Or are they right to exercise caution?
If the EU has doubts on Moderna, it's totally understandable.. there are Pfizer's, J&J and Astra Zeneca vaccine vaccination shot
 

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If the EU has doubts on Moderna, it's totally understandable.. there are Pfizer's, J&J and Astra Zeneca vaccine vaccination shot
I'd have a read through this if you haven't already. Pfizer were always going to be the worst one out there given their criminal history. Only 9 of 153 trial sites were investigated. That's not good...

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

 

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Shocking how many clowns doing vaccinations don't know what aspiration is and it's likely what's leading to many of the adverse effects...

 
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Why is it understandable?
It's understandable if the data from the Moderna patients that they are receiving makes them hesitant. I already listed the other choices for the vaccine. Kieran, I will NEVER say no vaccine unless you have a medical allergic reaction to the content of what the vaccine was made from. I hope that answers your question.
 
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My solution is not to be a sheep and not to give in and not take something that will very possibly destroy people's immune systems over time as warned by top doctors who were just ignored. I mentioned before I couldn't care less for going to pubs other than when people occasionally ask me to go out and even then I can go for drinks outside if I really want to, which I don't right now. I'd only go out so they stop pestering me to go out. Restaurants I couldn't care less for and prefer takeaway but this is about principle and it's not right either scientifically or ethically to not allow unvaccinated people in when there's more likelihood that people who are vaxxed and go out and mingle frequently are much more likely carriers of covid than those stuck at home. Makes a lot of sense when people actually put 2 and 2 together and stop believing all the unvaccinated are the bad guys bs on tv and lame stream media.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ <------ Educate the masses.
If 7 billion people have been vaccinated worldwide, what percentage of them would have died if there wasn't a vaccine? ( Please respond Front and Kieran).
 

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If 7 billion people have been vaccinated worldwide, what percentage of them would have died if there wasn't a vaccine? ( Please respond Front and Kieran).
100% of them, because everybody dies.
But you’re looking at it in black and white terms. Of the people who died because of the vaccine, what percentage of them would still be alive if they hadn’t taken it?
 
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It's understandable if the data from the Moderna patients that they are receiving makes them hesitant. I already listed the other choices for the vaccine. Kieran, I will NEVER say no vaccine unless you have a medical allergic reaction to the content of what the vaccine was made from. I hope that answers your question.
You’re making the point for me: there are still questions about the vaccines to be answered. Right now, they’re questioning the Moderna - but they may say it’s safe and go ahead anyway. None of this sounds like a process that’s far along, tried and tested, and fully to be trusted, like the vaccines we all got as a kid. Moderna is not the only vaccine that questions can be asked about. A friend got Pfizer and she’s been exhausted every day for six weeks since. I got Pfizer and felt nothing.

A lot of people I know so are vaccine hesitant are that way for the reason you mention above, that the ingredients don’t fit for them and they’re anxious about the effects. Others have a robust immune system and don’t see that it’ll benefit them. I have no problem with either of these scenarios…
 

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100% of them, because everybody dies.
But you’re looking at it in black and white terms. Of the people who died because of the vaccine, what percentage of them would still be alive if they hadn’t taken it?
That's not answering my question with an "absolute" (everyone dies) and with a question?
 

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I'd have a read through this if you haven't already. Pfizer were always going to be the worst one out there given their criminal history. Only 9 of 153 trial sites were investigated. That's not good...

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635


I would like to see the data on those who are antivacca (COVID 19 vaccine) if they have EVER tested positive for COVID. Also, I would like to see the data of those who are tripled vaccinated including two flu vaccine vaccination shots over the past 12 months who hasn't NEVER tested positive via a PCR test.
 

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That's not answering my question with an "absolute" (everyone dies) and with a question?
Well the real answer to your question is unknowable. How many people have died from covid up till now, as opposed to dying with covid? That’s still a very valid question. How many vaccinated people have found themselves in trouble, and died? And how many people have died because of the vaccine?

We don’t have the answers to these. As you know, I’m not opposed to the vaccine. I’m vaccinated. But I’m not opposed to people who are opposed to, or hesitant about, the vaccine for good reasons. Good reasons are good reasons, after all…
 

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Well the real answer to your question is unknowable. How many people have died from covid up till now, as opposed to dying with covid? That’s still a very valid question. How many vaccinated people have found themselves in trouble, and died? And how many people have died because of the vaccine?

We don’t have the answers to these. As you know, I’m not opposed to the vaccine. I’m vaccinated. But I’m not opposed to people who are opposed to, or hesitant about, the vaccine for good reasons. Good reasons are good reasons, after all…
That's the problem, as I mentioned previously, this isn't the virus like measles, Polio or something like that where you can judge on a "bell curve".. This virus is PASSED or FAIL. Covid 19 is the opposing "Force" in Newton first law of motion or inertia.

Nuff said from my perspective.
 

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That's the problem, as I mentioned previously, this isn't the virus like measles, Polio or something like that where you can judge on a "bell curve".. This virus is PASSED or FAIL. Covid 19 is the opposing "Force" in Newton first law of motion or inertia.

Nuff said from my perspective.
Covid is statistically a "Murray" when it comes previous plagues the world has seen. They're Big 3, snaffling up everything and everyone, whereas this is nowhere near as potent or catastrophic, or successful, on its own terms, going by the numbers. Spanish Flu was a Big 3 virus, by comparison. But also, the Polio vaccine works as vaccines should. It's been the disease killer in the west. The vaccines for Covid aren't stopping it, and that could have something to do with the question of whether it's wise to introduce a vaccine for a virus that's still in flux...
 
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100% of them, because everybody dies.
But you’re looking at it in black and white terms. Of the people who died because of the vaccine, what percentage of them would still be alive if they hadn’t taken it?
Touché. You iz one smooth muthafucka :D
 
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