Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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It's never too late to educate the majority who have been proven wrong. Those boosters must be very safe going by that report anyway. 52 boosters later I'm sure people will feel just fine and dandy. Rather you than me but to each their own.
"Never to late to educate the majority" ...who has received the vaccine vaccination shot already? I don't understand what that data you posted upon is going to help those people.
 

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The thing about the vaccine - and I’m vaccinated, and generally unconcerned about it - is that nobody can predict that it’s safe in the long term. Nobody. Not even Fauci could lie about that, and say that he knows that there will be no long term negative effects, because “long term” hasn’t even begun with regards to the vaccine. So when people are hesitant, I’m actually quite on their side. I dine outdoors in windy caffs in Dublin and Wicklow, because I’m appalled by our governments ridiculous insistence on these matters, that unvaccinated people are now “unclean” like lepers of old, and should be shunned and avoided in case they cause your granny to die, when she’s already dead. A retrospective effect of the unvaccinated - they cause even the dead to die again.

The blurb about the vaccine becomes more and more about the small print, and the ink is never dry on that. So the vaccine has positive effects, but they’re getting downgraded by the minute, and the jabs I took have a line of unwanted brother and sister jabs waiting their turn in the arm of the king. We’re now being told we may have the exact same restrictions we had last winter, even if we’re vaccinated, because we can still spread the disease. Cute. So if I trust my own usual reliable immune system, where’s the benefit to getting the vaccine, if I still get locked up for months on end?

There’s none. Oh wait! There’s one! I get the covid passport so I can travel to foreign places and enjoy the restrictions there.

It’s actually long overdue that we get over ourselves and live with this thing, and that includes citizens trying to make sure they don’t cause a spread, governments stopping lying while at the same time destroying people’s livelihoods and removing their dignity and freedoms, and unelected health tyrants being shoved back into the well paid cupboard where they’re usually found, doing nothing and get ridiculously rich doing it…
 

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The thing about the vaccine - and I’m vaccinated, and generally unconcerned about it - is that nobody can predict that it’s safe in the long term. Nobody. Not even Fauci could lie about that, and say that he knows that there will be no long term negative effects, because “long term” hasn’t even begun with regards to the vaccine. So when people are hesitant, I’m actually quite on their side. I dine outdoors in windy caffs in Dublin and Wicklow, because I’m appalled by our governments ridiculous insistence on these matters, that unvaccinated people are now “unclean” like lepers of old, and should be shunned and avoided in case they cause your granny to die, when she’s already dead. A retrospective effect of the unvaccinated - they cause even the dead to die again.

The blurb about the vaccine becomes more and more about the small print, and the ink is never dry on that. So the vaccine has positive effects, but they’re getting downgraded by the minute, and the jabs I took have a line of unwanted brother and sister jabs waiting their turn in the arm of the king. We’re now being told we may have the exact same restrictions we had last winter, even if we’re vaccinated, because we can still spread the disease. Cute. So if I trust my own usual reliable immune system, where’s the benefit to getting the vaccine, if I still get locked up for months on end?

There’s none. Oh wait! There’s one! I get the covid passport so I can travel to foreign places and enjoy the restrictions there.

It’s actually long overdue that we get over ourselves and live with this thing, and that includes citizens trying to make sure they don’t cause a spread, governments stopping lying while at the same time destroying people’s livelihoods and removing their dignity and freedoms, and unelected health tyrants being shoved back into the well paid cupboard where they’re usually found, doing nothing and get ridiculously rich doing it…
Clearly, you're ok to get vaccinated and are willing to comply with protocols, while maintaining a "healthy" (if I may) skepticism about the whole thing, and the way it has been and is being handled. That seems fair. You put in your effort for the team, and also continue to question. I have no problem with that.

And you say that the benefit of being vaccinated is that you can travel, and "enjoy the restrictions there." Well, it's not a "one-size-fits-all" proposition, and various countries and states have the right to handle this as they will. Where I live, NYC as I think everyone knows by now, is densely populated, and has suffered a great deal with deaths and long-term effects of the virus, so we have very strict notions as to how to move forward. It is cutting some people to the curb, but we also have to protect the general populace, and if we want to return to something like normal, we can't afford another spike. And yes, I do think we need to embrace a bit of the notion that this will be on-going, but we choose our paths differently. Where I live, we are still choosing caution. And vaccination.

It seems that Australia is choosing caution and vaccination, too. That is their choice. It's not even yet clear if the state of Victoria will allow for the option of quarantine.
 
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Clearly, you're ok to get vaccinated and are willing to comply with protocols, while maintaining a "healthy" (if I may) skepticism about the whole thing, and the way it has been and is being handled. That seems fair. You put in your effort for the team, and also continue to question. I have no problem with that.

And you say that the benefit of being vaccinated is that you can travel, and "enjoy the restrictions there." Well, it's not a "one-size-fits-all" proposition, and various countries and states have the right to handle this as they will. Where I live, NYC as I think everyone knows by now, is densely populated, and has suffered a great deal with deaths and long-term effects of the virus, so we have very strict notions as to how to move forward. It is cutting some people to the curb, but we also have to protect the general populace, and if we want to return to something like normal, we can't afford another spike. And yes, I do think we need to embrace a bit of the notion that this will be on-going, but we choose our paths differently. Where I live, we are still choosing caution. And vaccination.

It seems that Australia is choosing caution and vaccination, too. That is their choice. It's not even yet clear if the state of Victoria will allow for the option of quarantine.
All of this Skepticism , Did anyone say anything about taking the vaccine vaccination for Polio, measles and all of the other mandatory vaccines required to go to school, work or traveling internationally previously? Over the past 20 months I haven't tried to convince Not one person to take the vaccine. Yet, there's such a strong campaign to convince others who do trust the current science (Faucci) that the vaccine is tainted. WHY? Is it because the more that take a slower path of resistance (non vaccine) may continue to extend the length of this pandemic so big PHARMA can continue to profit? I know tons of people who have been infected by COVID 19 who still refuses to take the vaccine. WHY? I have talked with a person whom was on the ventilator and heard their family members crying because their physician told them they were most likely not going to survive.Yet they did but still deciding not to get vaccinated because still they weren't convinced the virus is legitimate or as former coworker told me last Spring, it's some bull shit. My response was null. That person is no longer my coworker.
 
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Clearly, you're ok to get vaccinated and are willing to comply with protocols, while maintaining a "healthy" (if I may) skepticism about the whole thing, and the way it has been and is being handled. That seems fair. You put in your effort for the team, and also continue to question. I have no problem with that.

And you say that the benefit of being vaccinated is that you can travel, and "enjoy the restrictions there." Well, it's not a "one-size-fits-all" proposition, and various countries and states have the right to handle this as they will. Where I live, NYC as I think everyone knows by now, is densely populated, and has suffered a great deal with deaths and long-term effects of the virus, so we have very strict notions as to how to move forward. It is cutting some people to the curb, but we also have to protect the general populace, and if we want to return to something like normal, we can't afford another spike. And yes, I do think we need to embrace a bit of the notion that this will be on-going, but we choose our paths differently. Where I live, we are still choosing caution. And vaccination.

It seems that Australia is choosing caution and vaccination, too. That is their choice. It's not even yet clear if the state of Victoria will allow for the option of quarantine.
Well, I suppose what I'm getting at is that there's plenty of room for "healthy scepticism", and in fact it can be taken as scepticism properly placed, scepticism that's a valid, and genuine, and a good faith part of the process of arriving at truth of the matter, and so in this regard, we owe it to each other to be patient and more understanding, and quit labelling everyone who has good reasons for not getting vaccinated as an "anti-vaxxer" or other even worse terms, when they're obviously nothing of the sort. Disbelief in what the authorities are saying is probably at an all-time high, but again, this is earned by the agencies in charge, who have encouraged a culture of lies, misinformation and censorship, and all the name of "good governance..."
 
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All of this Skepticism , Did anyone say anything about taking the vaccine vaccination for Polio, measles and all of the other mandatory vaccines required to go to school, work or traveling internationally previously? Over the past 20 months I haven't tried to convince Not one person to take the vaccine. Yet, there's such a strong campaign to convince others who do trust the current science (Faucci) that the vaccine is tainted. WHY? Is it because the more that take a slower path of resistance (non vaccine) may continue to extend the length of this pandemic so big PHARMA can continue to profit? I know tons of people who have been infected by COVID 19 who still refuses to take the vaccine. WHY? I have talked with a person whom was on the ventilator and heard their family members crying because their physician told them they were most likely not going to survive.Yet they did but still deciding not to get vaccinated because still they weren't convinced the virus is legitimate or as former coworker told me last Spring, it's some bull shit. My response was null. That person is no longer my coworker.
There's always a little more nuance to things. I mean, if somebody is completely against all the vaccines that have worked and helped society, then of course they're going to be against the Covid vaccine, and for wrong reasons usually. But this isn't an old tried and trusted vaccine that's eradicating disease. It's new and still largely in process, and part of that process is understanding how it works, and what exactly it works on. What are the effects of it. Just this morning I read that it may have good news for women getting smear tests. This is good news if proven true, but they're only discovering it. Nobody can tell us yet what they'll discover in the future, either positively or negatively. And yes, there are people getting really bad and sometimes fatal doses of Covid - and others who have caught Covid and been justified in the belief that their own immune system is good enough to withstand it.

So let's have patience on all sides, eh? The people who believe everything they're told are as culpable as the ones who disbelieve everything. They're both doing the same thing, they've just chosen opposite sides...
 
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There's always a little more nuance to things. I mean, if somebody is completely against all the vaccines that have worked and helped society, then of course they're going to be against the Covid vaccine, and for wrong reasons usually. But this isn't an old tried and trusted vaccine that's eradicating disease. It's new and still largely in process, and part of that process is understanding how it works, and what exactly it works on. What are the effects of it. Just this morning I read that it may have good news for women getting smear tests. This is good news if proven true, but they're only discovering it. Nobody can tell us yet what they'll discover in the future, either positively or negatively. And yes, there are people getting really bad and sometimes fatal doses of Covid - and others who have caught Covid and been justified in the belief that their own immune system is good enough to withstand it.

So let's have patience on all sides, eh? The people who believe everything they're told are as culpable as the ones who disbelieve everything. They're both doing the same thing, they've just chosen opposite sides...
I don't believe that the pro vaccine folks believe everything that they are being told but rather they trust the science data that it's the most prudent way to stop the virus from transmission to others.
 

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I don't believe that the pro vaccine folks believe everything that they are being told but rather they trust the science data that it's the most prudent way to stop the virus from transmission to others.
The science data is evolving, brother. It’s not fixed, and it isn’t final. And that’s the gap into which doubts can walk. And it isn’t unhealthy to have doubts. It’s healthy for society to have sceptics, who approach this from a position of good faith. It’s better this, than we have rulers who approach things from a position bad faith…
 
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The science data is evolving, brother. It’s not fixed, and it isn’t final. And that’s the gap into which doubts can walk. And it isn’t unhealthy to have doubts. It’s healthy for society to have sceptics, who approach this from a position of good faith. It’s better this, than we have rulers who approach things from a position bad faith…
Brother if this was Polio measles or Scarlet's fever.. Society would have the TIME to be sceptics. However this is a airborne "Alien behavior" virus that needs a host body's immune system to survive..Polio measles and other are not like This one.. Brother, there's been too many deaths related to this virus to try to debunk the Science. Ask a medical professional like Margaret or others who see the horror of the Covid units of the hospitals. This is not the virus to be hesitant because thats the approach the virus wants to survive.
 

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Brother if this was Polio measles or Scarlet's fever.. Society would have the TIME to be sceptics. However this is a airborne "Alien behavior" virus that needs a host body's immune system to survive..Polio measles and other are not like This one.. Brother, there's been too many deaths related to this virus to try to debunk the Science. Ask a medical professional like Margaret or others who see the horror of the Covid units of the hospitals. This is not the virus to be hesitant because thats the approach the virus wants to survive.
I know medical professionals, I also read data, I know the survival rates, I know who’s most vulnerable. These things are something that hasn’t changed since it began. And from this we can conclude who’s largely going to have a good shot at shrugging it off without even knowing they had it. This isn’t a plague of yore, that decimated whole populations. But - it’s not a good thing either.

We have very good treatments available, and we’ll head out of this eventually. I’m not a person who ignores the threat, but not do I catastrophise it so I can have an excuse to remove people’s freedoms and assault their dignity, while ruining their livelihoods and making things worse..
 
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I know medical professionals, I also read data, I know the survival rates, I know who’s most vulnerable. These things are something that hasn’t changed since it began. And from this we can conclude who’s largely going to have a good shot at shrugging it off without even knowing they had it. This isn’t a plague of yore, that decimated whole populations. But - it’s not a good thing either.

We have very good treatments available, and we’ll head out of this eventually. I’m not a person who ignores the threat, but not do I catastrophise it so I can have an excuse to remove people’s freedoms and assault their dignity, while ruining their livelihoods and making things worse..
Question ❓..when you or your family go to your physician and he says.. Kieran, your numbers for e.g. vitamin D or something related to the flu..Have you always checked what the ingredients are that is in the medication? I know I haven't..I don't think it's one person in the history of the US or the World that have checked everytime unless they have an allergic reaction to penicillin or medicine that are egg based or etc..So my question, Why now brother?
 

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Question ❓..when you or your family go to your physician and he says.. Kieran, your numbers for e.g. vitamin D or something related to the flu..Have you always checked what the ingredients are that is in the medication? I know I haven't..I don't think it's one person in the history of the US or the World that have checked everytime unless they have an allergic reaction to penicillin or medicine that are egg based or etc..So my question, Why now brother?
My missus is a health practitioner, so yes, we know what's in drugs and counter-indications etc - I don't ever take medicine, unless it's an absolute extremity, and thankfully I've avoided that for all my adult life. I've seen my parents generation ruined by a reliance on quacks who prescribe drugs without care. My mother was on a drug for 30 years and when her quack died, the next bloke in was appalled. He said that drug is only ever used short term. This is the horror of people not asking questions of their doctors, and having absolutely zilch levels of awareness of what's good for them. Don't blindly trust doctors, bro.

But let's remind ourselves of something here: I understand vaccine hesitancy but I'm also vaccinated. I wrote about why I got vaccinated earlier in the thread and it wasn't due to fear of covid. It was because of fear of our stupid government and their lousy addiction to level 5 lockdowns, which I saw destroying young and old alike, while at the same time ruining people's livelihoods, and at the same time as all this, being a cheap, unimaginative and irresponsible way of avoiding a virus that's waiting outside while we're locked in, like a bully at the school gates, smoking a cigarette and being implacably patient.

But I didn't take the vaccine only for that reason. It has the benefit of giving the vaccinated a better chance of avoiding hospital, though obviously not in all cases. We know a young fit woman who's vaxxed and ended up on a ventilator. It's a mystery. I caught Covid and it wasn't a problem for me, I breezed it. There's a randomness there that science still hasn't figured out yet, and to pretend it has is to create problems for ourselves...
 
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My missus is a health practitioner, so yes, we know what's in drugs and counter-indications etc - I don't ever take medicine, unless it's an absolute extremity, and thankfully I've avoided that for all my adult life. I've seen my parents generation ruined by a reliance on quacks who prescribe drugs without care. My mother was on a drug for 30 years and when her quack died, the next bloke in was appalled. He said that drug is only ever used short term. This is the horror of people not asking questions of their doctors, and having absolutely zilch levels of awareness of what's good for them. Don't blindly trust doctors, bro.

But let's remind ourselves of something here: I understand vaccine hesitancy but I'm also vaccinated. I wrote about why I got vaccinated earlier in the thread and it wasn't due to fear of covid. It was because of fear of our stupid government and their lousy addiction to level 5 lockdowns, which I saw destroying young and old alike, while at the same time ruining people's livelihoods, and at the same time as all this, being a cheap, unimaginative and irresponsible way of avoiding a virus that's waiting outside while we're locked in, like a bully at the school gates, smoking a cigarette and being implacably patient.

But I didn't take the vaccine only for that reason. It has the benefit of giving the vaccinated a better chance of avoiding hospital, though obviously not in all cases. We know a young fit woman who's vaxxed and ended up on a ventilator. It's a mystery. I caught Covid and it wasn't a problem for me, I breezed it. There's a randomness there that science still hasn't figured out yet, and to pretend it has is to create problems for ourselves...
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I don't believe that the pro vaccine folks believe everything that they are being told but rather they trust the science data that it's the most prudent way to stop the virus from transmission to others.
They don't stop transmission....that's largely why many consider them a complete failure. Considering it has no use for me as covid won't either put me in hospital or kill me, the only other thing they're being pushed for is null and void since they dont stop transmission. That makes them largely useless for the majority unless they're very old, fat asf and have serious underlying health issues and even then, a lot of those people are still dying cos you can't immunize yourself from being unhealthy, elderly and fat asf. If governments encouraged healthy eating and exercise then far fewer people would be unnecessarily dying...
 
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They don't stop transmission....that's largely why many consider them a complete failure. Considering it has no use for me as covid won't either put me in hospital or kill me, the only other thing they're being pushed for is null and void since they dont stop transmission. That makes them largely useless for the majority unless they're very old, fat asf and have serious underlying health issues and even then, a lot of those people are still dying cos you can't immunize yourself from being unhealthy, elderly and fat asf. If governments encouraged healthy eating and exercise then far fewer people would be unnecessarily dying...
Good Grief Man..what a play on words.. The vaccine lessens the chance of transmission to others.
 

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Good Grief Man..what a play on words.. The vaccine lessens the chance of transmission to others.
No it doesn't and plenty of studies have been posted in this thread showing that. The vaccines were made back when the original Wuhan strain was dominant and hence why they do swa for transmission against the now dominant delta strain. The highest vaccinated countries have the highest numbers of cases so your claim is false. Cases are increasing because of moronic global practices of letting the vaxxed hop on planes riddled with no test and go infect everyone on the plane potentially and in the countries they go to and also the restaurants and pubs in their own countries and the places abroad they travel to and then hop on the plane back home riddled and bring their germs back with them. Unvaxxed on the contrary have to take a PCR test to fly both ways so they're the only people you know do not have covid out of all those people. The system is a joke...
 

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No it doesn't and plenty of studies have been posted in this thread showing that. The vaccines were made back when the original Wuhan strain was dominant and hence why they do swa for transmission against the now dominant delta strain. The highest vaccinated countries have the highest numbers of cases so your claim is false. Cases are increasing because of moronic global practices of letting the vaxxed hop on planes riddled with no test and go infect everyone on the plane potentially and in the countries they go to and also the restaurants and pubs in their own countries and the places abroad they travel to and then hop on the plane back home riddled and bring their germs back with them. Unvaxxed on the contrary have to take a PCR test to fly both ways so they're the only people you know do not have covid out of all those people. The system is a joke...
Interesting..I see some validity in regards to PCR test. Whenever I fly international back into the US from another country, All passengers are required to take a PCR test or no reentry.
 

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Interesting..I see some validity in regards to PCR test. Whenever I fly international back into the US from another country, All passengers are required to take a PCR test or no reentry.
It should be done everywhere. They're assuming/turning a blind eye to (following the money for vaccines more like) and incorrectly that vaxxed people do not have covid which we all clearly know is 100% bs. That proves this was never about health...

If it was really about health then they'd test everyone everywhere and that includes going into pubs and restaurants. This will never end because these are leaky, non sterilizing vaccines that do little to stop transmission meaning the covid pass systems being moronicly used worldwide are a joke. As I pointed out before, where is virus spread more likely to occur from, a packed pub, restaurant or night club full of superior vaxxed beings who can transmit the same viral load as unvaccinated people or from unvaccinated people sitting at home cos they're not allowed into the same pubs, restaurants and night clubs?! THERE'S YOUR ANSWER...
 

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It should be done everywhere. They're assuming/turning a blind eye to (following the money for vaccines more like) and incorrectly that vaxxed people do not have covid which we all clearly know is 100% bs. That proves this was never about health...

If it was really about health then they'd test everyone everywhere and that includes going into pubs and restaurants. This will never end because these are leaky, non sterilizing vaccines that do little to stop transmission meaning the covid pass systems being moronicly used worldwide are a joke. As I pointed out before, where is virus spread more likely to occur from, a packed pub, restaurant or night club full of superior vaxxed beings who can transmit the same viral load as unvaccinated people or from unvaccinated people sitting at home cos they're not allowed into the same pubs, restaurants and night clubs?! THERE'S YOUR ANSWER...
I doubt too many restaurants and pubs will be around for long mate. We're in a reset that will change the world. Most small to medium businesses are being systematically demolished.

The ones that have survived so far, will get crippled by fines. If they survive that, then they'll be getting sued by their own staff for adverse vaccine reactions.

The New South Wales Government here in Oz are quietly pushing through legislation to make the businesses liable for adverse effects from mandating employees have jabs.... Yet, at the same time telling them they need to do it.... What could possibly go wrong?

Eating out will probably be the least problems... Supply chains are getting wrecked by design.
 

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I doubt too many restaurants and pubs will be around for long mate. We're in a reset that will change the world. Most small to medium businesses are being systematically demolished.

The ones that have survived so far, will get crippled by fines. If they survive that, then they'll be getting sued by their own staff for adverse vaccine reactions.

The New South Wales Government here in Oz are quietly pushing through legislation to make the businesses liable for adverse effects from mandating employees have jabs.... Yet, at the same time telling them they need to do it.... What could possibly go wrong?

Eating out will probably be the least problems... Supply chains are getting wrecked by design.
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