Barcelona Open 2017, Barcelona, Spain, ATP 500

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Results from the Barcelona Open Men's Singles Quarterfinal matches on Friday

Horacio Zeballos (Argentina) beat Karen Khachanov (Russia) 6-4 6-1
3-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Chung Hyeon (South Korea) 7-6(1) 6-2
1-Andy Murray (Britain) beat 10-Albert Ramos (Spain) 2-6 6-4 7-6(4)
4-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Yuichi Sugita (Japan) 6-1 6-2

 

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4-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Yuichi Sugita (Japan) 6-1 6-2

 

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1-Andy Murray (Britain) beat 10-Albert Ramos (Spain) 2-6 6-4 7-6(4)

 

[the AntiPusher]

You should know I never use the term beat down unless it's genuine but 6-3 6-2 is a beat down.

Have you ever played the game at a high level..I referring to the advance college level or against players on the challenger tournaments...( I have played at the college level and against players whom competed on the C level..there are matches where the final score isn't indicative of what actually transacted on the court.

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

My Lord..you are really a bloody Tosser..

A beat down is what Rafa did to Roger at RG 2008 6-1 6-3 6-0

 

[Carol]

You should know I never use the term beat down unless it's genuine but 6-3 6-2 is a beat down.

Have you ever played the game at a high level..I referring to the advance college level or against players on the challenger tournaments...( I have played at the college level and against players whom competed on the C level..there are matches where the final score isn't indicative of what actually transacted on the court.

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

Come on Front, and what all of you are you doing when someone says something about Federer that is not according with your opinion? again, the big difference is that he is not under our microscope like all of you with Nadal so don't expect then that we have to keep silence and you can say whatever you want, we can do the same too though it seems already too boring :s

 

[Front242]

Have you ever played the game at a high level..I referring to the advance college level or against players on the challenger tournaments...( I have played at the college level and against players whom competed on the C level..there are matches where the final score isn't indicative of what actually transacted on the court.

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

My Lord..you are really a bloody Tosser..

A beat down is what Rafa did to Roger at RG 2008 6-1 6-3 6-0

Indeed it is but Roger was total crap day and you're a complete tosser too. Everyone can see that. Butting on people the whole time for no reason and just looking for trouble with your annoying posts. If you're so sensitive you really shouldn't be online.

 

[Front242]

Have you ever played the game at a high level..I referring to the advance college level or against players on the challenger tournaments...( I have played at the college level and against players whom competed on the C level..there are matches where the final score isn't indicative of what actually transacted on the court.

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

Come on Front, and what all of you are you doing when someone says something about Federer that is not according with your opinion? again, the big difference is that he is not under our microscope like all of you with Nadal so don't expect then that we have to keep silence and you can say whatever you want, we can do the same too though it seems already too boring :s

I've no problem with people saying negative things about Federer if they're true, Carol but most of the time it's just rubbish. My post that got your annoying little buddy AP all worked up over nothing was merely pointing out in reply to your post that Murray IS actually very good on all surfaces now so maybe he should get some credit. Instead AP calls me a tosser. That tells you the sort of friendly fans you have in your Nadal camp. I repeat, me saying Murray is very good on clay makes me a tosser. Go figure.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

Come on Front, and what all of you are you doing when someone says something about Federer that is not according with your opinion? again, the big difference is that he is not under our microscope like all of you with Nadal so don't expect then that we have to keep silence and you can say whatever you want, we can do the same too though it seems already too boring :s

I've no problem with people saying negative things about Federer if they're true, Carol but most of the time it's just rubbish. My post that got your annoying little buddy AP all worked up over nothing was merely pointing out in reply to your post that Murray IS actually very good on all surfaces now so maybe he should get some credit. Instead AP calls me a tosser. That tells you the sort of friendly fans you have in your Nadal camp. I repeat, me saying Murray is very good on clay makes me a tosser. Go figure.

I don't even know what that word mean..I heard it on Burn Notice :laydownlaughing..relax PAL..

There wasn't any sensitivity...you didn't mentioned Federer loosing..Djokovic loosing or the old fat dude that plays in my USTA league..it was cool that you said Rafa loss..you hate the bloke ..ok we get that.,but you said beat down blah blah beat down blah blah and only referring to Nadal matches..I think Kieran said he thought that was a bit much that you didn't have any other euphemism ( I know what that word means )

 

[Front242]

Come on Front, and what all of you are you doing when someone says something about Federer that is not according with your opinion? again, the big difference is that he is not under our microscope like all of you with Nadal so don't expect then that we have to keep silence and you can say whatever you want, we can do the same too though it seems already too boring :s

I've no problem with people saying negative things about Federer if they're true, Carol but most of the time it's just rubbish. My post that got your annoying little buddy AP all worked up over nothing was merely pointing out in reply to your post that Murray IS actually very good on all surfaces now so maybe he should get some credit. Instead AP calls me a tosser. That tells you the sort of friendly fans you have in your Nadal camp. I repeat, me saying Murray is very good on clay makes me a tosser. Go figure.

I don't even know what that word mean..I heard it on Burn Notice :laydownlaughing..relax PAL..

There wasn't any sensitivity...you didn't mentioned Federer loosing..Djokovic loosing or the old fat dude that plays in my USTA league..it was cool that you said Rafa loss..you hate the bloke ..ok we get that.,but you said beat down blah blah beat down blah blah and only referring to Nadal matches..I think Kieran said he thought that was a bit much that you didn't have any other euphemism ( I know what that word means )

I could just as easily said it was a beat down with ANY match? LOL. I wasn't talking about other matches but will be sure to use beat down elsewhere and have. Get a grip, man. Again, I was merely remarking that Murray is now very good on clay and though you Nadal fans will just say Nadal was crap in 2015, Murray reached the RG final last year and beat Nadal the last 2 years at Madrid so it's pretty fair to say you're underestimating him. Further to that, I merely added that the 2015 Madrid match had a lopsided score line. You want me to call it something else that is less offensive to your eyes? Murray beat him easily. There. Happy now?

 

[the AntiPusher]

I've no problem with people saying negative things about Federer if they're true, Carol but most of the time it's just rubbish. My post that got your annoying little buddy AP all worked up over nothing was merely pointing out in reply to your post that Murray IS actually very good on all surfaces now so maybe he should get some credit. Instead AP calls me a tosser. That tells you the sort of friendly fans you have in your Nadal camp. I repeat, me saying Murray is very good on clay makes me a tosser. Go figure.

I don't even know what that word mean..I heard it on Burn Notice :laydownlaughing..relax PAL..

There wasn't any sensitivity...you didn't mentioned Federer loosing..Djokovic loosing or the old fat dude that plays in my USTA league..it was cool that you said Rafa loss..you hate the bloke ..ok we get that.,but you said beat down blah blah beat down blah blah and only referring to Nadal matches..I think Kieran said he thought that was a bit much that you didn't have any other euphemism ( I know what that word means )

I could just as easily said it was a beat down with ANY match? LOL. I wasn't talking about other matches but will be sure to use beat down elsewhere and have. Get a grip, man. Again, I was merely remarking that Murray is now very good on clay and though you Nadal fans will just say Nadal was crap in 2015, Murray reached the RG final last year and beat Nadal the last 2 years at Madrid so it's pretty fair to say you're underestimating him. Further to that, I merely added that the 2015 Madrid match had a lopsided score line. You want me to call it something else that is less offensive to your eyes? Murray beat him easily. There. Happy now?

What is this Nadal fans stuff..we are not all the same...Wasn't that Kieran who mentioned 2015..but to let you tell it.. its Carol and me..dude..all I said is you had no other euphemism but beat down ..I didn't say anything else , Did I

 

[Front242]

^ On this board you three are: Kieran, Carol and yourself. You 3 can't accept any criticism of Nadal whatsoever, even the truth :cover I hardly ever use the term beat down btw.

 

[the AntiPusher]

^ On this board you three are: Kieran, Carol and yourself. You 3 can't accept any criticism of Nadal whatsoever, even the truth :cover I hardly ever use the term beat down btw.

That's very true..you didn't say beat down more than once you said destroyed.. okay you Win .

 

[Fiero425]

^ On this board you three are: Kieran, Carol and yourself. You 3 can't accept any criticism of Nadal whatsoever, even the truth :cover I hardly ever use the term beat down btw.

That's very true..you didn't say beat down more than once you said destroyed.. okay you Win .

IIRC Nadal hasn't been destroyed since Qatar last season; 1 & 2! Nole was "in the zone" with power, touch, and attacking net play! It was a humiliation that Rafa was fortunate in that it's just a minor exhibition $money$ grab! :nono :angel: :dodgy: - - - - - - - - - http://fiero4251.blogspot.com/2016/08/fan-page-novak-nole-djokovic.html - - -

 

[Moxie]

I cannot see Rafa not playing Madrid especially even Rome,remember there is a week off between Rome and RG.Even in the past I wish he would not play every clay tournament,though this is his 'bread and butter'.

I think there are plenty of reasons to skip Madrid, though I don't think he'll skip Rome, and I'm fine with that. By skipping Madrid, he gets the rest, and he lets the other guys fight it out on a surface that doesn't really help anyone for RG.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

At least, Rafa now gets to face someone who had tasted victory over Rafa on clay.

p.s. Of course, Rafa must have been carrying some injury that day.

 

[Puppet Master]

^ On this board you three are: Kieran, Carol and yourself. You 3 can't accept any criticism of Nadal whatsoever, even the truth :cover I hardly ever use the term beat down btw.

That's very true..you didn't say beat down more than once you said destroyed.. okay you Win .

IIRC Nadal hasn't been destroyed since Qatar last season; 1 & 2! Nole was "in the zone" with power, touch, and attacking net play! It was a humiliation that Rafa was fortunate in that it's just a minor exhibition $money$ grab! :nono :angel: :dodgy: - - - - - - - - - http://fiero4251.blogspot.com/2016/08/fan-page-novak-nole-djokovic.html - - -

You could tell by their results during the tourney that it won't go well for Nadal. He played a 3 setter in his every match, against random mugs, except for the final obviously, while Novak cruised his way to the final and completely let loose. I expected a 2:0 win with 2 tight sets but Nadal started panicking for whatever reason, and just could not hold serve. Then panicked some more and started hitting crazy unforced errors. He basically retreated into his 2015 mode for the whole match, while Novak sustained a high level since the match lasted about an hour, maybe even less. Nothing spectacular if you ask me.
Although I vividly remember Nadal punching himself in the head. He was PISSED. He knew that he was playing like $hit and had no cnance, but didn't even stick around to make it competitive.
To see Nadal suffer so much, as a fan, was gut wrenching.
But as I said, Djokovic didn't do anything that we didn't know he could do already. Nadal was just there for the taking. It was surely one of the weirdest matches I ever watched, and it highlighted how badly nerves can affect you. To me, it was like a wake up call.

 

[Carol]

Of course the scoreline isn't always indicative of what actually happened but El Dude said it all, you Nadal fans are absolutely impossible to talk with. You moan about everything negative said about him. Would it make you feel better if I said Federer has had beat downs too? Every player has. I watched that Madrid 2015 match though and, yes, it was a beat down as you'd expect when Nadal lost in such lopsided fashion on his best surface. It happens. No need to defend absolutely everything Nadal related, even scores of matches. :s I was merely pointing out that Murray is now actually very good on clay since 2014. I can't stand him, but he's decent on all surfaces now.

Come on Front, and what all of you are you doing when someone says something about Federer that is not according with your opinion? again, the big difference is that he is not under our microscope like all of you with Nadal so don't expect then that we have to keep silence and you can say whatever you want, we can do the same too though it seems already too boring :s

I've no problem with people saying negative things about Federer if they're true, Carol but most of the time it's just rubbish. My post that got your annoying little buddy AP all worked up over nothing was merely pointing out in reply to your post that Murray IS actually very good on all surfaces now so maybe he should get some credit. Instead AP calls me a tosser. That tells you the sort of friendly fans you have in your Nadal camp. I repeat, me saying Murray is very good on clay makes me a tosser. Go figure.

As you probably know Muzz is may second fav player but I don't see him playing great on clay, of course it doesn't mean that he can't win some tournaments like he has done before but not too often. Rafa has won Indoor tournaments but it doesn't mean it's his specialty. The top 4 players are playing well in all surfaces but each one has his own specialty, Roger on grass, Novak and Muzz on HC, Rafa on clay but all of them have won in all the surfaces .
I have not problem either with people saying negative things about Rafa if they're true, if he is playing or serving bad I'm the first one to critic him and I don't mind what others say, if you don't like his style of pay ok, we have our own taste, what for you look beautiful or ugly to me looks the oposite and etc etc etc . But everything has a limit and some of you like to go too far and very often. If he wins is because he has had a very easy draw but if he loses is because he is done. For two years I repeated time and again that his problem was in his head while most of you were rubbing your hand thinking he was done and of course I rather not remember certain comments about when he came back after to be 7 months out of the court taking care with his knee and playing the two or three first tournaments not so well but later he did one of his best years

 

[Moxie]

This is some major revisionist history. I'm not going to find that old thread but me regretting discussing it had absolutely nothing to do with your or anyone else's opinions on it. And I do realize it's possible they all dope or have doped but some are just a little more suspicious. Different sport (baseball) but I'd say it's fair to be more suspicious of Barry Bonds, when his forehead turned into the size of Jupiter, than it was to be suspicious of your average pipsqueak. And I remember going back and forth with you regarding "your perfect argument" (nice modesty there dear) and you didn't want to hear any of it and just brushed everything aside. Anyways to revisit this...what player has more incentive to cheat, one that is up and coming and hoping to make a big impact or the guy who is already an all-time great in his sport?

And please try to find any post of mine where I've said Rafa was juicing during his comeback in 2013. It isn't conceding or backtracking on anything. It never happened. What I have said is that I believe Rafa was silently banned in 2012 through the AO in 2013 when he withdrew a couple weeks in advance due to a tummy ache. I've mentioned many times before that I'm 99.999% sure if a top player on the ATP fails a drug test we won't hear about it from them. Something like that we will only hear if it gets leaked from a different source possibly years down the line. The ATP has a notable recent history of corruption, or at the very least, ridiculous policies. And this all started from you implying Roger was on PED's, I will give you credit for baiting me

I don't think Roger has doped, it's not like he is moving better and showing insane stamina out there, aside from maybe the Berd-Kyrgios back to back matches in Miami but those are still best of 3 sets. His improvements have been mostly tactical, a commitment to first-strike tennis off of his backhand and return, something he's never even really tried before. Also, if he decided to just dope this year when he's already considered to be the GOAT by most people that'd be pretty stupid.

While I know we don't want to do this to death at this moment, I'm very pleased I was able to bait you, and give you a smile.

If you leave aside blinkered fandom for a moment and look at your basic position: that Rafa has long-doped, to get a leg-up, and that Roger had no incentive, at 35, to start doping. I made a detailed argument (in a past thread) why it made no sense that a 16-18 year old Nadal would start doping when he was already beating his contemporaries and his elders all the way along. You may not have said you agreed, but a lot of people here found it a compelling argument. He was a prodigy, with much early success, which Roger never really was, though the promise was always there. A prodigy has no reason to think that success won't continue without aid. A 35-year-old who is used to winning big prizes and would like to continue to do so, does, especially after 4 1/2 years without a Major. That's a logical parallel. Another one, to the point you make about stupidity would be: if Nadal didn't dope early because he didn't need to, why would he do it later, when he'd been exposed to endless scrutiny? THAT would be stupid. Not stupid would be doing it when you are the all-but-anointed GOAT, since you and others have said that there is no price to pay.

As I've said before, I'm not campaigning for the notion that has Roger doped. I'm trying to hold the feet to the fire of you and like-minded Roger fans who still hold in your hearts that Rafa beat up so much on Roger by cheating. Look at your arguments and don't hold a double-standard.

 

[Carol]

I din't know that Ramos was hurt in the third set

Meanwhile Rafa is very respectful to everyone

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I think there are plenty of reasons to skip Madrid, though I don't think he'll skip Rome, and I'm fine with that. By skipping Madrid, he gets the rest, and he lets the other guys fight it out on a surface that doesn't really help anyone for RG.

I understand the conditions there,eg,high altitude does not help any player for RG,in saying that, seeing Madrid is the capital of Spain,Rafa is their favorite Spanish tennis player he might get lynched if he skipped it also I hated when they had the 'blue clay' I was brought up on the proper red clay surface.