Australian Open [Men] - Grand Slam

[kskate2]

Australian Open Results for Round 4 Day 7 - January 26, 2020

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Not really anything has changed.

Nope, Novak's odds has substantially increased. Before someone other than Novak was more likely to win than Novak. Now Novak has better chances than the field. There was a huge increase of 10% for Novak.

I don't see how odds are more interesting than personal conversation, on a forum like this.

If it is not interesting to you, you can always ignore it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Today being sunday, I stayed up watched Fed in real time. Although, the winner was never in doubt after the initial storm was over, I am not optimistic if he has to face Nole.

 

[kskate2]

Australian Open Order of Play for Monday, January 27, 2020

 

[Jelenafan]

Monfil’s underhand serve, loved it!

 

[tenisplayrla08]

Can we agree that La Monf is in fact the most underachieving player of the last 15 years? I mean. I'm not sure if I can even agree with that. Lord knows I have my guys that have frustrated me for 10 years. But. La Monf. Man. Touted as a future world number one. And we know why he wasn't. The Big 3 or 4. And while he's upped his game to make himself a top 15 staple the last couple years. It's just. These commentators are having a great conversation about him. He's just never been aggressive enough. With all the talent and athleticism he has, it's just been really disappointing that he hasn't won more. At least a Masters title or something. Tough time to be a really good tennis player though. Certainly a lack of discipline there somewhere. Though I refuse to believe that you can get to the pro level at all, much less the level La Monf has reached without having been disciplined in your practice at some point in your life. Perhaps just a lack of commitment to a game plan through out his career. Too much of a showman. Which. Has been great. So maybe the game needs that. Maybe he knew he had a ceiling and wasn't worried about it. I don't know. Still a good career. Just not what it could have been.

One man who had no issue with discipline and hard work was Kobe.

RIP Kobe.

 

[tenisplayrla08]

Well La Monf had some more highlights trying to stay alive. Because he's just so brilliant. But Thiem takes it. Glad to see him make his first Aussie QF. Especially after bowing out in the first round of Wimbledon and the US Open last year. He looks healthy and good to go. Hope he can beat Rafa if need be. Would also like to see Kyrgios beat Rafa tonight. Not sure I believe either man can upset him. But maybe the conditions are just right for Kyrgios. He's playing for his devastated country right now. And it's carrying him through this tournament so far. So we'll see.

 

[Moxie]

Can we agree that La Monf is in fact the most underachieving player of the last 15 years? I mean. I'm not sure if I can even agree with that. Lord knows I have my guys that have frustrated me for 10 years. But. La Monf. Man. Touted as a future world number one. And we know why he wasn't. The Big 3 or 4. And while he's upped his game to make himself a top 15 staple the last couple years. It's just. These commentators are having a great conversation about him. He's just never been aggressive enough. With all the talent and athleticism he has, it's just been really disappointing that he hasn't won more. At least a Masters title or something. Tough time to be a really good tennis player though. Certainly a lack of discipline there somewhere. Though I refuse to believe that you can get to the pro level at all, much less the level La Monf has reached without having been disciplined in your practice at some point in your life. Perhaps just a lack of commitment to a game plan through out his career. Too much of a showman. Which. Has been great. So maybe the game needs that. Maybe he knew he had a ceiling and wasn't worried about it. I don't know. Still a good career. Just not what it could have been.

One man who had no issue with discipline and hard work was Kobe.

RIP Kobe.

No. If you're going to go for the last 15 years you have to include Safin and Nalbandian, who are world-class under-achievers. Plus you also have to put Tsonga in there. And probably Dimitrov. @Front242 might add Soderling, but he might be a stretch. However, I do agree that Monfils is a great player and he has under-achieved.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

No. If you're going to go for the last 15 years you have to include Safin and Nalbandian, who are world-class under-achievers. Plus you also have to put Tsonga in there. And probably Dimitrov. @Front242 might add Soderling, but he might be a stretch. However, I do agree that Monfils is a great player and he has under-achieved.

To me Gael has never had the mental or focus that is needed to achieve more,he is a first class athlete,like a lot of French players they are taught great technique,but the mental side is not there.Look at Richard Gasquet who was a child prodigy and to me he is also a under-achiever,perhaps he could not handle the pressure that was expected of him in his career..

 

[Moxie]

To me Gael has never had the mental or focus that is needed to achieve more,he is a first class athlete,like a lot of French players they are taught great technique,but the mental side is not there.Look at Richard Gasquet who was a child prodigy and to me he is also a under-achiever,perhaps he could not handle the pressure that was expected of him in his career..

The New Yorker did a profile on Kyrgios a couple of years ago. He said he wanted to have the career that Monfils has: i.e., to make a lot of money, have fun, and not worry about it to much. I think they are both in that place. They've found a pleasing water level. without expending more effort than that. You can't ask a person to be more ambitious than they are, especially if they'll doing pretty darn well.

 

[Moxie]

Wawrinka was my pick to upset Medvedev in this round. First set: 6-2 Stan.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The New Yorker did a profile on Kyrgios a couple of years ago. He said he wanted to have the career that Monfils has: i.e., to make a lot of money, have fun, and not worry about it to much. I think they are both in that place. They've found a pleasing water level. without expending more effort than that. You can't ask a person to be more ambitious than they are, especially if they'll doing pretty darn well.

Agree,if you are happy at that level so be it,I think Nick also knows his capabilities.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Wawrinka was my pick to upset Medvedev in this round. First set: 6-2 Stan.

Wawrinka was my pick to upset Medvedev in this round. First set: 6-2 Stan.

I would not normally cheer for Stan Allez!

 

[Moxie]

I would not normally cheer for Stan Allez!

I don't normally cheer for him, either. And I'm not saying this just to block Meddie. I just think that Stan still has spoiler potential, and Medvedev is yet a bit young and green to go deep. Plus, he's susceptible to Stan's brand of aggression. He hangs back, and if he let's Wawrinka get the confidence going, Stan will hit through him at will. Daniil can make adjustments, though. It will be interesting to see if he does, or does in time.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I don't normally cheer for him, either. And I'm not saying this just to block Meddie. I just think that Stan still has spoiler potential, and Medvedev is yet a bit young and green to go deep. Plus, he's susceptible to Stan's brand of aggression. He hangs back, and if he let's Wawrinka get the confidence going, Stan will hit through him at will. Daniil can make adjustments, though. It will be interesting to see if he does, or does in time.

I hope it goes 5 sets

 

[Bonaca]

I don't normally cheer for him, either. And I'm not saying this just to block Meddie. I just think that Stan still has spoiler potential, and Medvedev is yet a bit young and green to go deep. Plus, he's susceptible to Stan's brand of aggression. He hangs back, and if he let's Wawrinka get the confidence going, Stan will hit through him at will. Daniil can make adjustments, though. It will be interesting to see if he does, or does in time.

Pretty good fight at the moment. Selfish bastard throwing bombs on both wings and Daniil getting more aggressive. Really good match!

 

[Fiero425]

Can we agree that La Monf is in fact the most underachieving player of the last 15 years? I mean. I'm not sure if I can even agree with that. Lord knows I have my guys that have frustrated me for 10 years. But. La Monf. Man. Touted as a future world number one. And we know why he wasn't. The Big 3 or 4. And while he's upped his game to make himself a top 15 staple the last couple years. It's just. These commentators are having a great conversation about him. He's just never been aggressive enough. With all the talent and athleticism he has, it's just been really disappointing that he hasn't won more. At least a Masters title or something. Tough time to be a really good tennis player though. Certainly a lack of discipline there somewhere. Though I refuse to believe that you can get to the pro level at all, much less the level La Monf has reached without having been disciplined in your practice at some point in your life. Perhaps just a lack of commitment to a game plan through out his career. Too much of a showman. Which. Has been great. So maybe the game needs that. Maybe he knew he had a ceiling and wasn't worried about it. I don't know. Still a good career. Just not what it could have been.

One man who had no issue with discipline and hard work was Kobe.

RIP Kobe.

I think it's a French failing of trying to be the "great entertainer" over actually winning! One of my favorite figure skaters was Surya Bonaly! She always played to the crowd and scorned the judges! She actually did an illegal backflip right in the of the judges at the '98 Olympics as a farewell "FU" to the Figure Skating Authorities! She never got a fair shake since she refused to conform to their ideas of being an "ice princess!" A French male skater Philippe Candeloro was about the same way, woefully underachieving! He did win 2 Olympic Bronze medals, but probably should have achieved more! Other French sportsmen are what you call more gregarious, wanting to be seen and heard sometimes affecting their results in the sport they excel! Some can say this is an exaggeration, but if you study history, "it's a French thing" to be seen and very well heard! Anyone watch "Versailles" series on cable here in the States? It featured "the life and times" of King Louis XIV! His actually morning ritual would be observed while having conversation with his select invitees the privilege of watching him being shaved & dressed! Think about it! :whistle:

 

[Moxie]

I think it's a French failing of trying to be the "great entertainer" over actually winning! One of my favorite figure skaters was Surya Bonaly! She always played to the crowd and scorned the judges! She actually did an illegal backflip right in the of the judges at the '98 Olympics as a farewell "FU" to the Figure Skating Authorities! She never got a fair shake since she refused to conform to their ideas of being an "ice princess!" A French male skater Philippe Candeloro was about the same way, woefully underachieving! He did win 2 Olympic Bronze medals, but probably should have achieved more! Other French sportsmen are what you call more gregarious, wanting to be seen and heard sometimes affecting their results in the sport they excel! Some can say this is an exaggeration, but if you study history, "it's a French thing" to be seen and very well heard! Anyone watch "Versailles" series on cable here in the States? It featured "the life and times" of King Louis XIV! His actually morning ritual would be observed while having conversation with his select invitees the privilege of watching him being shaved & dressed! Think about it! :whistle:

Bonaly's problem was partly edemic racism in skating. She threw in that back flip as a big fuck you.

 

[Moxie]

Daniil and Stan trade easy sets. I'm smelling that the 3rd will be hard fought.

 

[Moxie]

Break to Medvedev. He is such a great mover for his size. And Stan just doesn't have the imposition of old, I think.