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2019 Men’s Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer vs. Rafael Nadal
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the AntiPusher
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If you think that beating Rafa and having 2 mps on Novak at Wimbledon isn't an achievement then God help Roger's torture soul..
By the way. Rafa please go get married dude, knock up your lovely bride to be and come back in a month to Cincy tournament with the attitude that someone is trying to take food from you new family's table. Then you can win 3 more non clay grand slams titles.
By the way. Rafa please go get married dude, knock up your lovely bride to be and come back in a month to Cincy tournament with the attitude that someone is trying to take food from you new family's table. Then you can win 3 more non clay grand slams titles.
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I didn't know we were playing horseshoes or grenades. If reaching match point is what mattered Roger would've put away the GOAT chase many years ago.
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No you can phrase however you want.Bro..name the player that has defeated Rafa and Novak back to back to win a slam.. Roger just came damn close
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And yet he still failed and has been a walk on the park for Novak in Wimbledon finals. And beating Rafa at Wimbledon is no accomplishment. People are overstating Roger's play this season. He has been disappointing.
That's nonsense.....it's your standard tactic to say that Federer was horrible every time he loses.
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Someone has to find Rafa's bhand in the q/final at Wimbledon and return it to Rafa for the USO series,it went AWOL in the s/final against Federer,also his ROS....he was too tentative for some unknown reason,he was playing with confidence before the s/final.
How in the world can you say that two 5-set finals at Wimbledon is a "walk in the park"? What are you talking about?
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Yeah man, very lucky, I mean, it's not like Nadal has absolutely owned Djokovic's soul at Roland Garros excluding the single worst season of his career where he didn't win shit...not at all. Yeah, I'm sure the guy who couldn't beat Thiem was going to beat the man who's 6-1 against him at RG and 17-7 on clay, not to mention had just beaten him two weeks before RG in a win that included a bagel and a breadstick. You truly are the GOAT of hypothetical wins that never happened vs. Nadal. Every Nadal major win has been a case of him being lucky he didn't face someone that "surely would have beaten him." It's just a shame the guys he actually played didn't.
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but this is what a bad match up problem does. Same thing with the AO final this year. It's not that Rafa suddenly became rubbish, he wasn't allowed to play the game that was so effective in prior matches....
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Statically Roger won today's thematch, However Novak won all the tiebreakers..
Based on the stats, Roger won Today's match, However Novak won the tiebreakers. Don't be so hard on your man.
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Yes and no. I don't think Roger is a "bad match-up problem" for Nadal (this would be ironic considering the narrative for the longest time was that it's the opposite), but he is taking time away from him and not giving him rhythm. That's just one of the adjustments Roger has made. This however, does not negate the fact that Nadal's return position and the return itself were poor, and he was very tentative with his backhand even when he had plenty of time. That started in the first set, where I think Nadal was visibly nervous. Beyond that, Roger just outplayed him.
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one thing that was notable about the match was that his court positioning was atrocious. I think he was much more assertive in prior matches. It's like he didn't even want to contest the baseline against Roger. He just accepted that it was Roger's territory. I found that bizarre...
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Bull will be always favourite in Paris. But I’m sure Novak would have had better chances in RG final than this fucking Thiem. Unfortunately he couldn’t manage the circumstances of their SF good enough.
Novak played better at RG than in Rome, so their match in Italy isn’t saying much about a final between them in Paris.
It still hurts, I strongly wished the two best had played the final. Maybe next year?
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Of course Novak is the only one with a realistic chance of beating Nadal at RG. That's not the argument. But Nadal is 6-1 against him at RG, 17-7 on clay overall, and has won the tournament 12 fucking times to Djokovic's 1...so maybe Cali needs to pump the breaks on Djokovic being anything other than an underdog vs. Nadal at RG.
The world's biggest cornball has re-entered the ring, let's give him a round of applause. Hello Broken Two-Face, you are BACK big guy, BACK. The same guy who aggressively chastised me in 2010 for pointing out the obvious, which is that Djokovic has more talent for the grass than Nadal.
9 years later, who was right? I was. Djokovic has 5 Wimbledons to Nadal's 2. They are in different leagues.
Nadal has not absolutely "owned" Djokovic at Roland Garros. Their level has been very comparable. Djokovic was the better player for long stretches in both 2013 and 2014, and of course he thrashed him in 2015.
Djokovic has weaknesses that have cost him a number of big matches, including the 2014 French final.
He very reasonably could have win those 2013 and 2014 matches but you won't acknowledge that because you want to believe that Nadal is absolutely invincible at the French Open. But you are the same person who said that Federer did not choke at all in the 2011 final when he was up 5-2, 40-0 in the first. So I shouldn't be surprised.
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You were. Now, let's talk about everything else you said about Nadal over the years, and were promptly proven to be clueless about. How much time do you have?
You see folks, Djokovic's 5 Wimbledons to Nadal's 2 is "different leagues," but Nadal's TWELVE FUCKING ROLAND GARROS TITLES AND 6-1 HEAD TO HEAD RECORD TO NOVAK'S ONE TITLE MEANS HE ABSOLUTELY HAS NOT OWNED DJOKOVIC AT ROLAND GARROS AND THEIR LEVELS HAVE BEEN COMPARABLE.
Perfect, Cali. Even by your insane standards, this is just perfect. Like really, you've outdone yourself in terms of inconsistency and bias. No, I mean seriously, for someone who's undoubtedly smart, you do say some reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally stupid things. Like I can tolerate Anti Pusher or someone like that cause he's at least consistent with stupidity, but this just takes the cake.
A) Nadal could very reasonably have won their 2018 Wimbledon semi, and they would have each had 3 Wimbledon titles as of last year as a result, 4-3 this year. If you want to play that game, we can play it all day long.
B) I never EVER EVER EVER said Federer shouldn't have won that set.
C) Federer was never up 40-0 at 5-2. Stop making shit up. You do it way too much Donald Trump.
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Go ahead, tell me where I was wrong. Before Nadal won majors off clay, I said that he could (back in the days when everyone wondered if his "brutal" playing style would "translate" to other surfaces). Once he won off of clay and exposed Federer's weaknesses (which no one talked about while Federer was dominating the tour), I then proceeded to point out some of Nadal's flaws.
I acknowledge that in terms of record my statements are inconsistent. However, based on play on the court, I don't think they are. I think Nadal has thrown much more of the kitchen sink at Djokovic at Wimbledon than Djokovic has done to Nadal at the French.
Nadal brought his best grass-court game against Djokovic at Wimbledon (that is, Nadal has maximized what he can do on a grass court). I don't think Djokovic has done the same with his own game at the French.
It never should have gotten to a 5th. That was a big win for Djokovic in turning his 2018 season around but I don't think he played the greatest.
But you have spoken as though it was always impossible for Federer to beat Nadal on clay based on the "match-up," no matter how many close matches they played and no matter how many clearly correctable errors Federer made. There were clearly stretches in their clay-court matches which showed Federer had the game to beat Nadal on clay. Nadal did not win every match they played 6-2, 6-2 as you and others tried to make it sound.
Oh, excuse me, was it actually 40-15? Thank you for the pettiest fact check possible. The point remains the same.
Plus, I would much rather be Donald Trump on Twitter than the mental handicaps who for 2.5 years accused him of criminal conspiracy with Russia. Trump was completely right while the poorly educated, highly bigoted conspiracy theorists were completely wrong.
