2019 Men’s Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer vs. Rafael Nadal

[calitennis127]

I will agree with you especially if your assessment of BS.. The most pure overrated legend in his/her own mind..I think I would prefer a box of exlax than to suffer reading BS comments..Even #45 have more humility than that poster..well.thats not true.. they're are each other's Doppleganer

That said, I have to give Broken credit for making his writing style and temperament more entertaining as a result of debating me over the years. He has gotten much more aggressive and exuberant in his rhetoric after I called out his cliché-spouting corniness of the past. He has made remarkable progress thanks to my criticism and I am proud of that. It shows that progress is possible.

Like they say in the streets, "Broken, I'm your father. You're my son. You're my seed." I'm proud of his growth.

 

[brokenshoelace]

. It shows that progress is possible.

So what's your excuse?

 

[Moxie]

So what's your excuse?

Cali may not have progressed, but at least he has a few tropes. He uses "corny" a lot. (Including the mysterious riposte to @Federberg that Brits are too "corny" for a mic drop. WTF?) And while condescension isn't new to him, when faced with his own logistical lapses and inconsistencies, now he's decided to tell us both that we've "progressed" in our debate skills due to some contact with his amazing ones over the years, however much he's been absent, up until he felt the need to troll that final result. B-):lulz2:

 

[monfed]

After this victory, Fed closed the case with Nadal.

Although unlikely, if Fed beats Djokovic at USO, he will close the case on him too.

 

[DarthFed]

After this victory, Fed closed the case with Nadal.

Although unlikely, if Fed beats Djokovic at USO, he will close the case on him too.

Closed what case? Nadal is only 2 behind. Roger's career is under serious attack from both now.

 

[monfed]

Closed what case? Nadal is only 2 behind. Roger's career is under serious attack from both now.

Federer's legacy is secure unless he's caught doping like Armstrong.

A 37 YO who is 5-6 years older than Fed running these two grindbots ragged on surfaces that suit THEM more than Fed is more than enough to say Fed greater than them.

Djokovic isn't even part of Fed's prime. Atleast Nadal beat Federer in his prime. What the fuck Djokovic done seriously? He was almost a nobody till 2011 by then Fed had already exited his prime.

So Fed did have a point to prove to Nadal but not to Djokovic.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Federer's legacy is secure unless he's caught doping like Armstrong.

A 37 YO who is 5-6 years older than Fed running these two grindbots ragged on surfaces that suit THEM more than Fed is more than enough to say Fed greater than them.

Djokovic isn't even part of Fed's prime. Atleast Nadal beat Federer in his prime. What the fuck Djokovic done seriously? He was almost a nobody till 2011 by then Fed had already exited his prime.

So Fed did have a point to prove to Nadal but not to Djokovic.

Quite a turnaround in opinion you've had there.

 

[monfed]

Quite a turnaround in opinion you've had there.

You're right it's a difficult thing to conclusively choose one over the other. Before the tournament started if you had asked me that Fed would beat Nadal in the SF and lost to DJ in the final in 4 or 5 sets then I probably would've taken it.

But losing from 2 CPs that too from 40-15 up and dropping 4 consecutive points when all the momentum is with you on the grandest stage is unthinkable.

 

[DarthFed]

Federer's legacy is secure unless he's caught doping like Armstrong.

A 37 YO who is 5-6 years older than Fed running these two grindbots ragged on surfaces that suit THEM more than Fed is more than enough to say Fed greater than them.

Djokovic isn't even part of Fed's prime. Atleast Nadal beat Federer in his prime. What the fuck Djokovic done seriously? He was almost a nobody till 2011 by then Fed had already exited his prime.

So Fed did have a point to prove to Nadal but not to Djokovic.

It ain't secure if one or both passes him, then his career looks second rate.

The good sign is Roger is well aware of this. I saw good signs of desperation, problem is he went full blown retard in practically every pressure moment vs Djokovic. He was one point away from possibly putting the chase to bed, at least the chase from Djokovic. Now he could end up looking weak.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali may not have progressed, but at least he has a few tropes. He uses "corny" a lot. (Including the mysterious riposte to @Federberg that Brits are too "corny" for a mic drop. WTF?) And while condescension isn't new to him, when faced with his own logistical lapses and inconsistencies, now he's decided to tell us both that we've "progressed" in our debate skills due to some contact with his amazing ones over the years, however much he's been absent, up until he felt the need to troll that final result. B-):lulz2:

Classic Moxie. Accuses others of inconsistencies while providing zero details or logical analysis.

At any rate, I am proud of you Moxie. I really am. Your growth has been impressive.

 

[Moxie]

Classic Moxie. Accuses others of inconsistencies while providing zero details or logical analysis.

At any rate, I am proud of you Moxie. I really am. Your growth has been impressive.

My response above was appropriate, and called you out. Yours to me was classic condescension from you. You think you get away with your wavering opinions, which blow with the breeze, by merely sneering. You're wrong.

 

[calitennis127]

My response above was appropriate, and called you out. Yours to me was classic condescension from you. You think you get away with your wavering opinions, which blow with the breeze, by merely sneering. You're wrong.

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My opinions on this have not wavered, that's ridiculous. Simultaneously saying that a) the 2015 Roland Garros match was closely contested in the second set and could have swung the opposite way and that b) Djokovic thrashed Nadal on the scoreboard is not a case of contradictory positions.

 

[Moxie]

My opinions on this have not wavered, that's ridiculous. Simultaneously saying that a) the 2015 Roland Garros match was closely contested in the second set and could have swung the opposite way and that b) Djokovic thrashed Nadal on the scoreboard is not a case of contradictory positions.

You didn't qualify you recent remark with "on the scoreboard." I really can't think of anyone who has ever argued that a match was tightly contested, only to later refer to it as a thrashing. So, yes, I think that's contradictory.

 

[tented]

It ain't secure if one or both passes him, then his career looks second rate.

The good sign is Roger is well aware of this. I saw good signs of desperation, problem is he went full blown retard in practically every pressure moment vs Djokovic. He was one point away from possibly putting the chase to bed, at least the chase from Djokovic. Now he could end up looking weak.

Even if one or both of Nadal/Djokovic surpass him in major count, someone with 20 majors, six year-end championships, 28 Masters Series, 100+ titles, a record number of weeks at No. 1 (237 consecutive), and so on will never end up looking weak.

 

[Fiero425]

Even if one or both of Nadal/Djokovic surpass him in major count, someone with 20 majors, six year-end championships, 28 Masters Series, 100+ titles, a record number of weeks at No. 1 (237 consecutive), and so on will never end up looking weak.

Maybe not weak, but Roger will become more of a footnote if Nadovic both sweep past him in majors, weeks @ #1, and possibly more YEC's! IMO since Nole has 5 already with at least 5 more years of productive tennis in him, he's in striking distance of a lot of records presently held by Federer! He's already in 3rd place on the Masters win list! Roger will go by the wayside just like Sampras who had been elevated to GOAT status once he broke Emerson's amateur record! It took decades for Sampras and less than a decade for Roger; now both Nadovic may surpass him within a couple seasons! :whistle:

 

[DarthFed]

Even if one or both of Nadal/Djokovic surpass him in major count, someone with 20 majors, six year-end championships, 28 Masters Series, 100+ titles, a record number of weeks at No. 1 (237 consecutive), and so on will never end up looking weak.

As Fiero pointed out we already can't even talk 28 MS as though that's a decent stat for Roger and that's the thing. If Novak gets the majors. YEC's, weeks at #1, etc. then these are no longer good numbers for Fed. The threat is definitely real and unfortunately for Roger there are 2 pit bulls nipping at the heels for the most important record. He was one point away from totally eliminating one of the threats at the big one but this ain't horseshoes or grenades.

 

[Fiero425]

As Fiero pointed out we already can't even talk 28 MS as though that's a decent stat for Roger and that's the thing. If Novak gets the majors. YEC's, weeks at #1, etc. then these are no longer good numbers for Fed. The threat is definitely real and unfortunately for Roger there are 2 pit bulls nipping at the heels for the most important record. He was one point away from totally eliminating one of the threats at the big one but this ain't horseshoes or grenades.

I know I've already posted it, but I still have to muse about Djokovic and his taking his turn "at a resurgence" just like Fedal! After completing his Nole-Slam in '16, he dropped #1 ranking to Murray by year's end! In 2017 he then started getting upset by players I didn't know! Every Spring it was usually Nole holding an AO title and sweeping IW / Miami! It was all Roger early on with Nadal taking his turn at the top! In the meantime, even Nole's efforts in the majors were disappointing! It all turned around at Wimbledon last season and I still SMH amazed at his rise! He had dropped out of the top 20 and it looked as if Roger's records were safe; esp. with him adding 3 more majors to his resume! With Nole taking 4 of the last 5 majors, he's back on course to surpass "The (present) GOAT" and maybe change the hearts and minds of most fans who believe tennis revolves around FEDAL! :whistle:

 

[monfed]

It ain't secure if one or both passes him, then his career looks second rate.

The good sign is Roger is well aware of this. I saw good signs of desperation, problem is he went full blown retard in practically every pressure moment vs Djokovic. He was one point away from possibly putting the chase to bed, at least the chase from Djokovic. Now he could end up looking weak.

You sound like the Fed hating minnions who reduce the GOAT debate to some sort of number counting exercise.

Yes sure they can pass him in numbers but gamewise Fed is the greatest. These two pushbots winning another 30 slams isn't going to change that. Borg is still relevant even today because of his 3 channel slams playing on two completely different surfaces. Laver for his CYGS. Fed will be for his efficient and effortless game.

Fed's claim to GOATship was always his game. Fed was called GOAT at RG 09, infact he was being called GOAT after the way he destroyed Hewitt in USO 04. So all that was BEFORE he broke Pete's record. Neither dull or faker are getting the type of press that Fed was getting before he broke Pete's record. That's enough proof that the GOAT debate isn't about pure numbers.

What do these two grindbots have in their favour apart from accumulating numbers? You think Nadal winning RG every year to pad up his slam count makes him the GOAT? Then you my friend aren't that good in tennis.