2019 Men’s Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer vs. Rafael Nadal

Who wins?

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The best man won..Grand Slam Roger played the big points more agressively than ATP Rafa did..If I could ask Rafa one question,. It would be, "What in the Hell are you playing for..he would have gotten creamed by Novak..He said he didn't have confidence in his BH..For the sake and love of Christ , Why ??? The CC BH had been a thing of brilliance since mid May..but he decided to not use it against Roger. it was the only way Rafa could loose was to began to play passively like he did AO 2017. I was as ignorant and a pure POS like Federerbeg and Broken Shoelaces..I would suggest that the ATP fine him for lack of effort..
Actually, after the match today, I was more sorry than before that Rafa couldn't find a better game on Friday. This Novak was pickable. I can see why Fed fans are so disappointed.
 

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Actually, after the match today, I was more sorry than before that Rafa couldn't find a better game on Friday. This Novak was pickable. I can see why Fed fans are so disappointed.



Djokovic would have rocked Nadal today.....please. Djokovic was completely sturdy in long rallies, covered the court fantastically, and his forehand was explosive at various points in the match.

Nadal would not have had a chance against him.....maybe one set if he played out of his mind. You should just be thankful that Djokovic choked in the 5th set against Thiem.....that match was his at the start of the 5th. You're very lucky he choked there.
 

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Djokovic would have rocked Nadal today.....please. Djokovic was completely sturdy in long rallies, covered the court fantastically, and his forehand was explosive at various points in the match.

Nadal would not have had a chance against him.....maybe one set if he played out of his mind. You should just be thankful that Djokovic choked in the 5th set against Thiem.....that match was his at the start of the 5th. You're very lucky he choked there.
You have no way of knowing what would have happened had it been a different opponent. Nor do I. I liked @britbox's analogy with "Sliding Doors." (I'd forgotten about that film. Back when we still kind liked Gweneth Paltrow.) But Novak was far from commanding today. Solid argument that Roger could have won it in 4.
 

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You have no way of knowing what would have happened had it been a different opponent. Nor do I. I liked @britbox's analogy with "Sliding Doors." (I'd forgotten about that film. Back when we still kind liked Gweneth Paltrow.) But Novak was far from commanding today. Solid argument that Roger could have won it in 4.


Yes, I can't tell you for sure that Djokovic would have won today against Nadal but I can be about 95% sure. I thought today's match would be outstanding because both players were playing at a very high level and I was right.

Djokovic absolutely was "commanding" today. Wtf are you talking about? He hit a range of incredible winners, was sturdy in long rallies at key moments, and covered the court fantastically. He played as well as he can on the grass (which, btw, is better than Nadal can play - as I said long ago).

By saying he wasn't "commanding," you are simply making reference to the score line and some stats to make it sound like you understand what the flow of the match was when you clearly don't.
 

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I'd have only slightly favored the Djoker I saw today over Nadal. Totally different matchup obviously but Novak was a lot worse than I expected. It's what makes this one extra pathetic for Roger. You couldn't expect Novak to be worse than he was today.
 
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I'd have only slightly favored the Djoker I saw today over Nadal. Totally different matchup obviously but Novak was a lot worse than I expected. It's what makes this one extra pathetic for Roger. You couldn't expect Novak to be worse than he was today.
While I would still have given Novak the small edge v. Nadal today, I agree with you that Novak was a lot worse than expected. Or, in a way, I did say that, without having been really pressed before the final, there was a chance he'd be on the back foot, and he did seem to be, for a fair amount of the match. I really thought he'd find his A-game for this match, but I don't believe that he did. Or except when he needed it. (Which is a fair argument for the win, but I do think Roger helped him out.)
 

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The thing I haven't wanted to say before, so as not to be mean, is this: As an outcome for the Rafa fan, this was the best possible. Other than him being in the final and winning it, obviously. Neither Roger nor Novak was especially convincing today. Both demonstrated real weakness. The match went long, and Roger didn't get #21. On to the USO, where I am fancying Rafa chances, based on today. @MargaretMcAleer @rafanoy1992 @tented @Carol.
 

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Djokovic would have rocked Nadal today.....please. Djokovic was completely sturdy in long rallies, covered the court fantastically, and his forehand was explosive at various points in the match.

Nadal would not have had a chance against him.....maybe one set if he played out of his mind. You should just be thankful that Djokovic choked in the 5th set against Thiem.....that match was his at the start of the 5th. You're very lucky he choked there.
I agree with you that Nadal may have loss to Novak today but not at RG.
 
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The thing I haven't wanted to say before, so as not to be mean, is this: As an outcome for the Rafa fan, this was the best possible. Other than him being in the final and winning it, obviously. Neither Roger nor Novak was especially convincing today. Both demonstrated real weakness. The match went long, and Roger didn't get #21. On to the USO, where I am fancying Rafa chances, based on today. @MargaretMcAleer @rafanoy1992 @tented @Carol.

Djokovic is an enormous favorite at USO. Rafa had a much better chance beating him here when his serve was clicking like crazy. I don't blame you guys for rooting for Djokovic but gun to head I'd say he has a good chance ending up with the most majors after this.

I'd also say that the main weakness Roger showed today was mental and he hasn't shown that as much against Nadal lately. We all know Roger has an atrocious history of closing sets and matches vs. Novak. And Djoker is able to dictate more from the baseline against Roger than Nadal is at this point. Not sure how much you have to hang your hat on.
 

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Djokovic is an enormous favorite at USO. Rafa had a much better chance beating him here when his serve was clicking like crazy. I don't blame you guys for rooting for Djokovic but gun to head I'd say he has a good chance ending up with the most majors after this.

I'd also say that the main weakness Roger showed today was mental and he hasn't shown that as much against Nadal lately. We all know Roger has an atrocious history of closing sets and matches vs. Novak. And Djoker is able to dictate more from the baseline against Roger than Nadal is at this point. Not sure how much you have to hang your hat on.
No way Rafa has a better chance against Novak at Wimbledon than at the USO. Did you actually say that? He's beaten him twice in finals there. Anyway, I'm sure that was a brain-fart on your part. To me, if Roger and Novak can look this vulnerable in a final, I'm much more confident than I was. Roger can't close out. Novak much more likely to go walkabout. Rafa tough enough to keep going deep at Wimbledon. I say there's a lot of upside going into the USO Swing.
 

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No way Rafa has a better chance against Novak at Wimbledon than at the USO. Did you actually say that? He's beaten him twice in finals there. Anyway, I'm sure that was a brain-fart on your part. To me, if Roger and Novak can look this vulnerable in a final, I'm much more confident than I was. Roger can't close out. Novak much more likely to go walkabout. Rafa tough enough to keep going deep at Wimbledon. I say there's a lot of upside going into the USO Swing.
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It really depends on the conditions of his knees when it comes to the hardcourt season. If I had to guess , I would say that they are in need of another synvisc knee injection to add more cushion to area where he is bone on bone....it takes about 2 to 3 weeks before he can play with out henderous.the past two years he has ran into some hardcourt monsters such as Silent KK who has left him jaded during the 2nd week. However.. Rafa issue is between the ears..For some reason, Rafa feels the need to be tentative vs Novak and Roger during the rallies..This has haunted him for the past 3-4 years on the non clay courts..Why..if he could just answer that question..I could accept his poor efforts recently vs the other big 2.. Fed and Djokervic fans dont have to experience the same anxiety. Their champion don't f#ck around when it comes to the money part of the Grand Slams. IMO
 

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No way Rafa has a better chance against Novak at Wimbledon than at the USO. Did you actually say that? He's beaten him twice in finals there. Anyway, I'm sure that was a brain-fart on your part. To me, if Roger and Novak can look this vulnerable in a final, I'm much more confident than I was. Roger can't close out. Novak much more likely to go walkabout. Rafa tough enough to keep going deep at Wimbledon. I say there's a lot of upside going into the USO Swing.

If the ball doesn't bounce very high (clay) then Nadal's chances are better on a fast court against Djokovic. This is part of the reason why Djokovic butchered him at AO this year compared to Wimbledon last year. This Wimbledon was slower than normal but the USO has become progressively slower over time. You would need 2013 USO Nadal to show up to even have a prayer, and let's face it, he had regained a bit of mental edge on Djokovic after that RG semi that year.
 

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If the ball doesn't bounce very high (clay) then Nadal's chances are better on a fast court against Djokovic. This is part of the reason why Djokovic butchered him at AO this year compared to Wimbledon last year. This Wimbledon was slower than normal but the USO has become progressively slower over time. You would need 2013 USO Nadal to show up to even have a prayer, and let's face it, he had regained a bit of mental edge on Djokovic after that RG semi that year.
Not really convinced by your reasoning. Have you played on the courts at USO? Also, to my point, Djokovic isn't looking like a world-beater, despite winning today, and neither is Roger. I'm going to think that Rafa's chances are pretty good at this coming USO.
 

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Not really convinced by your reasoning. Have you played on the courts at USO? Also, to my point, Djokovic isn't looking like a world-beater, despite winning today, and neither is Roger. I'm going to think that Rafa's chances are pretty good at this coming USO.

Lol so now we have to play on the courts to discuss how different surfaces affects the matchup. Interesting.

The biggest ass beatings Nadal has suffered against Djokovic throughout the years have come on slow/medium hardcourts. This is a fact. Anyways I know I'm not convincing you anyways but our best hope (Roger and Rafa) is that Djokovic somehow loses to a powderpuff early on. I'd say Rafa looks less of a worldbeater after this. Need I remind you he lost decisively to a 38 year old and struggled against Nick too when that dude was moving like a turtle?
 

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No, I'd love to have heard you played on the grass at Wimbledon, as well, before assessing it for me. But you're so sure how the surfaces play. What do you know? "Anyway"...Rafa has done well at the USO.
 

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If we're getting into the US Open discussion, while obviously all of the big 3 seem to be in top form and would be the favorite in any match; all these young guns are much more likely to beat them on the hard courts, even in best of five, than at Wimbledon. They clearly struggled to get out of the first round this time around. But all of them have made their names on hard courts or clay anyways because those are the two main court types. We've see Zverev and Khachanov beat Djokovic on indoor hard courts at the end of last year. Thiem played Nadal tough and close (5 sets) in New York last year. Federer lost to friggin Millman. So he can definitely lose to a Thiem or Tsitsipas or Zverev. We've seen Zverev beat Fed in .... Canada? Shapovalov beating Nadal in Canada.

Then there's Wawrinka and Cilic and Nishikori. 2 US Open champs and a finalist there. All better on hard courts than the grass. And Nishikori looked great at Wimbledon.

If you want to just keep it to Djokovic and Nadal, I do give Djokovic the edge. But Nadal definitely knows how to beat Djokovic in New York. And as Nadal has gotten more aggressive with Moya in the camp, he has a great chance to beat Djokovic. But we've seen Nadal have knew problems in New York recently. So that's one thing to consider. Because you still gotta have both of them get to the final to play each other. Unless Fed can win Canada and Cincy and pass Nadal in the rankings. Well. I guess Nadal won Canada. So if Nadal just doesn't defend all of his points and Fed does defend his points from the two or can add, then he could make it a chance those two have to play in the semis. But I just think all 3 of these guys are going to be more vulnerable on the hard courts than they were here. Fed most of all. But even Djokovic. Yeah. He's the favorite until someone else surprises us or Nadal or Fed grind out a win over him. But everyone else on tour is better on hard courts than they are on grass. He'll have to face more seeds most likely. The draw should fall apart much less than it did here.

I'm just hoping it's not so sweltering like it was last year. That's still the only reason I think Fed lost to Millman. A serious humid heat wave in New York last year. Anyways. Should be a good US Open. Especially if Murray feels he's up to singles again. I mean. He won't be seeded so it'll be tough. And it could mean he gets an early date with a high seed. Which could be fun. But I just wanna see the guy be able to come back.
 

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Lol so now we have to play on the courts to discuss how different surfaces affects the matchup. Interesting.

The biggest ass beatings Nadal has suffered against Djokovic throughout the years have come on slow/medium hardcourts. This is a fact. Anyways I know I'm not convincing you anyways but our best hope (Roger and Rafa) is that Djokovic somehow loses to a powderpuff early on. I'd say Rafa looks less of a worldbeater after this. Need I remind you he lost decisively to a 38 year old and struggled against Nick too when that dude was moving like a turtle?
Now Roger's age is an issues good grief the man is in his mid to late 30s. He hasn't had a lot of injuries compared to Rafa, Andy or Novak. Age in Roger's case ain't nothing but a number.
 

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Now Roger's age is an issues good grief the man is in his mid to late 30s. He hasn't had a lot of injuries compared to Rafa, Andy or Novak. Age in Roger's case ain't nothing but a number.

Just a number? He hasn't done anything the past year and a half now. Unless we are talking winning Miami as something big. Roger has had as many serious injuries as Novak.