2018 US Open Final: S. Williams vs. N. Osaka

[britbox]

It's kind of sad when all Margaret Court's good deeds get overlooked. Her foundation distributes 3,000 meals each week to the homeless and needy. 3,000 meals... it's not a typo. 22 tonnes of food to people in need each week.

 

[Ricardo]

I don't see how you think they've been dealt with more harshly. Firstly, McEnroe and Fognini are serial problem children, as is Kyrgios, for another one. Actually, McEnroe was actually defaulted for threatening a lines person, so you're wrong there. And if you think he hasn't called a lines person or chair umpire much worse than "thief," you are kidding yourself. And I've heard Fognini say worse, but it happens that I understand Italian. I'm not sure why Davydenko is this mix other than cheating. The thing about Serena is that she is NOT a serial problem child. She generally keeps her cool in matches. To compare her with guys that throw a wobbly all the time is neither fair nor consistent. Her issue tends more towards righteous indignation, imo.

If you think Davy referred to Davydenko, then I am definitely right about you....just not bright. They are habitual trouble makers but they didn’t go as far as Williams did. Just because they caused trouble often doesn’t make it alright for Williams to do what she did. What did Mac say that’s worse than calling umpire a thief? He was sent off packing and he didn’t even go as far as Williams did. You clearly have no idea as usual, and when Mac challenged about line calls, he almost always had a point. Whereas Williams was simply doing the wrong thing for each of the warnings, again for you it’s always about agenda....simply no morals or even basic ability to think..

 

[Federberg]

It's kind of sad when all Margaret Court's good deeds get overlooked. Her foundation distributes 3,000 meals each week to the homeless and needy. 3,000 meals... it's not a typo. 22 tonnes of food to people in need each week.

Lol! I have no view on Margaret Court. But weren't you the same guy who was slagging off the Clinton Foundation despite all the good deeds? (I'll stipulate for the nth time I'm not a Clinton supporter, just pointing out the irony). Just thought it was funny as it's essentially the same thing

 

[Hoergren]

Let's use a little time to celebrate the champion who played superior that night (at least it was night in Denmark)



A beauty

And here is the charming interview on Today

 

[britbox]

Lol! I have no view on Margaret Court. But weren't you the same guy who was slagging off the Clinton Foundation despite all the good deeds? (I'll stipulate for the nth time I'm not a Clinton supporter, just pointing out the irony). Just thought it was funny as it's essentially the same thing

It's not remotely the same thing. Donations to the Clinton Foundation were (in many, probably not all cases) made to buy access to Clinton's ear... which the donors evidently thought had some value.

One of the primary pillars of the Clinton foundation was to further the empowerment of women. Wonderful. Even more wonderful when you take into consideration that some of the biggest donors were Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. Maybe they should have spent a few bucks empowering women in their own country instead. I'm sure the families of some those women who got stoned to death might agree.

Suffice to say, since Hillary's star dropped in political circles, donations to the Clinton Foundation have plummetted.

Margaret Court has no political aspirations and set up her charity from scratch to help the homeless and the needy. It's a grassroots charity, not a political slush fund.

 

[Federberg]

It's not remotely the same thing. Donations to the Clinton Foundation were (in many, probably not all cases) made to buy access to Clinton's ear... which the donors evidently thought had some value.

One of the primary pillars of the Clinton foundation was to further the empowerment of women. Wonderful. Even more wonderful when you take into consideration that some of the biggest donors were Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. Maybe they should have spent a few bucks empowering women in their own country instead. I'm sure the families of some those women who got stoned to death might agree.

Suffice to say, since Hillary's star dropped in political circles, donations to the Clinton Foundation have plummetted.

Margaret Court has no political aspirations and set up her charity from scratch to help the homeless and the needy. It's a grassroots charity, not a political slush fund.

Lol! You are arguing that folks should look at Court differently because of her charitable works. The Clinton Foundation has done a huge amount of charitable works, and made their accounts transparent. All the so called allegations you bring up are known because of their transparency. You just regurgitate the usual Fox News/RT tropes about what they were up to, and forget about the outcomes they achieved. But in Court's case we should take that into account despite her political views. As for donations to the Foundation, they've made a significant effort to reduce it's activities post elections. No one serious has made allegations against the foundation, but of course that doesn't matter to you. The Clintons were involved so it has the mark of Mephistopheles It sucks that you constantly force me act as a Clinton defender when I don't even particularly like them!

 

[Ricardo]

Lol! You are arguing that folks should look at Court differently because of her charitable works. The Clinton Foundation has done a huge amount of charitable works, and made their accounts transparent. All the so called allegations you bring up are known because of their transparency. You just regurgitate the usual Fox News/RT tropes about what they were up to, and forget about the outcomes they achieved. But in Court's case we should take that into account despite her political views. As for donations to the Foundation, they've made a significant effort to reduce it's activities post elections. No one serious has made allegations against the foundation, but of course that doesn't matter to you. The Clintons were involved so it has the mark of Mephistopheles It sucks that you constantly force me act as a Clinton defender when I don't even particularly like them!

Total rubbish, puss.

 

[Moxie]

If you think Davy referred to Davydenko, then I am definitely right about you....just not bright. They are habitual trouble makers but they didn’t go as far as Williams did. Just because they caused trouble often doesn’t make it alright for Williams to do what she did. What did Mac say that’s worse than calling umpire a thief? He was sent off packing and he didn’t even go as far as Williams did. You clearly have no idea as usual, and when Mac challenged about line calls, he almost always had a point. Whereas Williams was simply doing the wrong thing for each of the warnings, again for you it’s always about agenda....simply no morals or even basic ability to think..

Around here, Davy refers to Davydenko. If you're referring to Nalbandian getting defaulted for hurting a lines person, that's not even in the ballpark of the conversation.

 

[Hoergren]

Here is a really well written article that sums up the events from the final and I really hope Serena take her time to read it because it's spot on. And perhaps someone somewhere can find a way to really honour Osaka for her win - well read it for yourselves - I totally agree in this splendid article

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2018/09/serena-williams-2018-us-open-code-violations/76875/

 

[Chris Koziarz]

I'm so happy for Carlos to come up clean from this "welcome to the job" match:
https://www.scmp.com/sport/tennis/a...-carlos-ramos-back-chair-us-croatia-davis-cup
Thank goodness ITF recognised his integrity and put him back on duty, despite social media around the world staging some absurd accusations against him. All Carlos was doing is performing his job and he performed it perfectly well, according to rules, without any documented mistake. However social media think his job was not good enough; that he was supposed to understand and even entertain the outbursts of a biggest female brat in the world ATM, perhaps even the biggest in the history of tennis. While he would "look better" if he chose to entertain said outbursts but he decided not to (and understandably so, given recent Mohamed's experience), Carlos' choice should have (especially in light of Mohamed's experience) no bearing on his professional integrity. He's the tennis umpire here and not the psychologist who should understand "Serena's emotions" and avoid bringing her "to the edge".
Silly social media echo chamber has done enough damage to the character of Serena by reinforcing her petulant personality disorder. And such reinforcing has been going on for several years as I pointed in my previous post above. But at least they should stop damaging Carlos by downing him for his well executed job in this match, because such downing is as silly as the approval of Serena's petulant behaviour.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Martina has spoken:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html
Martina, like Serena, also describes herself as "human rights activist". But as opposed to Serena, she is actually a good role model in her activism. She understands the difference between a childish outburst and a true issue of gender inequity in tennis (and life in general) because she has been campaigning for said issue. Let's quote Martina from above:

I don’t believe it’s a good idea to apply a standard of “If men can get away with it, women should be able to, too.” Rather, I think the question we have to ask ourselves is this: What is the right way to behave to honor our sport and to respect our opponents? - Martina Navratilova

And another quote:

It’s difficult to know, and debatable, whether Ms. Williams could have gotten away with calling the umpire a thief if she were a male player. But to focus on that, I think, is missing the point. If, in fact, the guys are treated with a different measuring stick for the same transgressions, this needs to be thoroughly examined and must be fixed. But we cannot measure ourselves by what we think we should also be able to get away with. In fact, this is the sort of behavior that no one should be engaging in on the court. - Martina Navratilova (my emphasis)

I can only add to it: Martina is my hero if it comes to women's rights (and I really am a big supporter of women's rights, the fact that I am a man notwithstanding) while Serena is a big shame. It just makes me cringe when Serena is absurdly trying to generalise her petulant problems on the court to gender inequality issues. And worst of all, some of her fans are deceived into said generalisation.

(sic in all my quotes, as they are in American English)

For the record, I am a big Serena's fan and really wished her to win it and equal then surpass Court's record. And I feel doubly disappointed that she didn't do it and in such a shameful style.

 

[tossip]

Ramos was humiliated ..good..he sneaked out of that arena like a common criminal that he is..

 

[isabelle]

Ramos was humiliated ..good..he sneaked out of that arena like a common criminal that he is..

humiliated really ? he'll be one of the umpire of next DC's tie : USA / Croatia...your idol was humiliated because she's a bad mannered woman and a sore loser, period
Williams family's a disgrace for tennis and for sports

 

[tossip]

humiliated really ? he'll be one of the umpire of next DC's tie : USA / Croatia...your idol was humiliated because she's a bad mannered woman and a sore loser, period
Williams family's a disgrace for tennis and for sports

where was she humiliated...because she was unfairly treated..he was escorted out of Arthur Ashe like a common criminal that he is a thief...hahaha and booed out of the arena how about that..

 

[britbox]

Called a thief for deducting a point for coaching.... even Serena's coach admitted doing it.

It was Serena's way of creating a cloud over getting spanked on court. Same happened when she lost to Clijsters and Stosur here.

 

[Moxie]

Called a thief for deducting a point for coaching.... even Serena's coach admitted doing it.

It was Serena's way of creating a cloud over getting spanked on court. Same happened when she lost to Clijsters and Stosur here.

If you look under the sofa, you may find all of the nuance and reason that you seem to be missing. Seriously...all of that was smoke-screen?

 

[Hoergren]

And Osaka visited the Ellen show -quite funny too


And her interview on Teen Vogue

 

[10isfan]

I would love to see an African American female ump all of Serena’s matches.

 

[Federberg]

^I'm not sure that's necessary. All I hope for is that we stop this crap of inconsistent umpiring. The extremes we saw in the US Open were unacceptable

 

[tossip]

yes get an AA umpire to do all her matches...fudge them