well all is heating up and WTA is supporting Serena.Carlos let his subconcious racial bias get the better of him...he might never umpire a big match...
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The WTA is not in charge of grand slams. I don't know how much power they think they have, but ultimately Ramos future fate will be the decision of ITF.
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I could go on... 
Incidentally he penalised Venus for on court coaching as well. That's all well and good. But I don't recall Rafa getting done too many times. That's my complaint... Yet this guy does it in a slam final. Ok...
Incidentally he penalised Venus for on court coaching as well. That's all well and good. But I don't recall Rafa getting done too many times. That's my complaint... Yet this guy does it in a slam final. Ok...
This is what happens when one player is designated the Queen of tennis an entire fortnight by ESPN. Serena Williams has been allowed for two decades or close to be A BAD LOSER. She ruined the day for Osaka and she ruined the victory for Clijsters in 2009. I could almost take Serena's side if this was her first demonstration of boorish behavior, but it's not. (For the record Nadal has been warned for box coaching during Major tournaments.) ESPN the WTA and others assumed there was no way Serena Williams could lose. There is the crux of the real problem. Millions of New York advertising dollars were lost on this match and if anyone thinks this isn't fact? They are fooling themselves. Williams lost millions because of Naomi Osaka kicking her behind. Stress and getting an a** whooping does that to a person. However, what is all this about is some foolish coronation. Serena Williams without any question is the GOAT of woman's tennis. The only woman who may argue the point is Graf...not Margaret Court. Nevertheless, the entire episode shows how poor women's tennis really is. Competition? What competition. Osaka beat Serena. Anyone else going to step up? In one word...NOPE. In closing I will state this. As an American I know what the Serena tantrum and support for her is really about. Nonetheless, no one will really state in the media what is the actual issue on display Fear does funny things to an individuals also. Hillary lost Serena lost and the result reaction says it all. Those two results have far more in common than we want to believe.
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In all the above cases the guy is enforcing the rules, players are complaining that he enforced the rules. And now people visit the guy's past and every bad word they see they want a punishment, even if the situations are completely different. Even if someone shown the PRECISE piece of the rule book he applied in this case. Even if there is a difference to a gut reaction and a long 10 minutes rant. What a piece of shit.
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no. Actually in some of those no penalties were given. As I've said, Serena was in the wrong. She's entitled and frankly she's irritated me in the past. What I take issue with is the application of the rules against her, when others have been given a pass. Umpires need to be consistent or they have no credibility for me. Just the other day, Rafa was getting coached. It was obvious and one of the commentators on my stream talked about it live. Did he get punished? No. Yet Serena does in a final. The fact that she has suffered egregious injustices in the past, the Capriati match and the Henin match spring to mind gives context to how she reacted.
Look, I hear your point about double standards. But double standards go both ways. Fairness is relative. Here you are comparing tours and sexes. Not individuals. What about fairness to her opponent? Do you think she wouldn't be affected if a top player brings the legitimacy of the grand slam final into question in the biggest match of her life? In your entire narrative, the umpire and Serena loom large. What about her opponent?
Not sure, how many of your examples are grand slam finals. Also not sure how many of these were the third violation. There is a big difference between a grand slam final and other matches. There's a big difference between a heated argument, even derisive remarks, F-bombs, breaking a racket and accusing the umpire of being a thief and stealing in a grandslam final with a straight face, again in a grand slam final by an icon of the sport. All the above behaviors except the last cede at least some legitimacy to the umpire. The last one doesn't give him an option. If he didn't react, how does he know what her next move is. She has publicly accused him of improper conduct in front of the whole world. If he didn't penalize her, he is accepting that he has been wilfully unethical. She once threatened shoving a ball down a ball lady's throat. Are you seriously claiming that if one of Nadalovic did that, there wouldn't be serious repercussions to them. Forget, ATP and media, even their sponsors would screw them over. They will lose tens of millions of dollars not tens of thousands. No one would call those double standards.
You seem to be under the illusion that the umpire is in a position of 'power' in tennis as such. There is no professional tennis if the umpire doesn't have that 'power'. Hundreds of millions of dollars are riding on that match going smoothly.
Again going back to double standards, when an umpire goes easy on a player in ATP, he is effectively asking his opponent to put up with the shit. Period. Not sure how many ATP players go to the media and claim sexism when his opponent gets repeatedly forgiven for violations. You can't have it both ways. If this is sexist, so is it, when he the umpire asks the opponent to suck it up when ATP player throws tantrums.
I can go on and on but don't expect to change your mind. Emotions get in the way of calm analysis.
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Please don't try to read my emotions, you won't be successful at it. Back to your pertinent points... I'm not sure what the relevance of bringing the other player into it is. It seems rather naive to me. In an ideal world the other player should definitely be relevant. I'm all for that. It makes it altogether more egregious that umpires often back off penalising players like Nadal for receiving coaching. As for your claim that I am under the illusion that umpires have power? Perhaps you're the one who's deluded here. If a player is a victim of a bad decision they could be adversely affected. Whether you want to call that power is entirely up to you to process that. The proposition needs to be answered. Was Serena adjudicated differently to other players? You might disagree, but given the facts and the context, it is my opinion that she was treated differently. There is no disagreement from me that she was in the wrong. If you are under the impression that I think she was in the right, then let my statement here correct that. My issue is with how the umpire managed the situation. Others get a pass she doesn't. She isn't even given the courtesy of a soft warning. FFS Kyrgios gets an umpire trying to encourage him to play! Lord knows what would have happened to Serena if that had been her. She would probably have received the Davydenko treatment. If you folks want to kid yourself that the fact the umpire followed the letter of the law then go ahead. You're the one who's operating under an illusion. If you apply the laws differently for different people then it's the thunderdome..
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I'll concede that my support of Venus might colour my view here. At her peak, some of her losses to Serena were inexplicable and passionless. It just seemed to me that the thrill of the battle was absent. Of course I have no facts to back that up. Just my feelings
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I felt very sorry for Osaka but even that show by Serena she kept very focus and good composure
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You don't get uniformity in any circles when you have a human mediator. That's the way it is. Calling the umpire a thief when you're already on two strikes was stupid or at best reckless. Sure, you can handpick cases where there was more leniency... and at a push you could probably find some where there was less leniency. McEnroe at the AO springs to mind... when he was defaulted the match, although he actually thought he had an extra strike left and said he would have shut up if he knew he was on the last.
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oh I agree with that absolutely. But mate... there isn't even a pretence at trying to apply the laws equally. Unless you can tell me that Rafa hasn't been coached very obviously in finals my objection to the umpires performance stands. Remember... I was supporting Naomi in this final. I'm happy with the result. But it seems to me that there is no hesitation with these umpires to apply the law faithfully against Serena, but they think twice before doing it to others. That's a problem
It is easy to nitpick situations where other players got soft warning or no penalties.
I don't see anyone bringing up the times Serena got soft warning or no penalties.
Oops I forgot, in her 20+ years career she only broke rules +- 5 times and got penalized every time. Meanwhile just this year alone Rafa, Novak and Roger have received code violations.
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I don't see anyone bringing up the times Serena got soft warning or no penalties.
Oops I forgot, in her 20+ years career she only broke rules +- 5 times and got penalized every time. Meanwhile just this year alone Rafa, Novak and Roger have received code violations.
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