2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[Fiero425]

It seems that some players are showing to get some money even that they are injured. Dolgo has already 5 retirements in a row and Klizan had some problems in RG too. We'll see Nishi, Raonic and someone else how long are going to play because they always have some kind of injury but they always are playing the next tournament.

They just broached the subject on TV with Nole and Roger; a rule change is needed! Fed actually came out and proposed giving those injured players points and $$ so they'd give up their spot in the draw! Way back when, Connors argued that those early round losers made too much! He was offended by the check he got when upset in the 1st round of a major when he was on his last legs! o_O

 

[Denis]

They just broached the subject on TV with Nole and Roger; a rule change is needed! Fed actually came out and proposed giving those injured players points and $$ so they'd give up their spot in the draw! Way back when, Connors argued that those early round losers made too much! He was offended by the check he got when upset in the 1st round of a major when he was on his last legs! o_O

I would suggest prize money yes, points no. There needs to be some incentive to still go out there.

 

[El Dude]

No doubts about the grass is the Roger's specialty and he has been focused and getting the best preparation to do a good roll in this tournament and I don't blame him after to have had such a good HC season. I understand your perspective and your wishes to see accomplished that goal but my question is again, if Rafa has had those mediocre 5 years and there are another players which have done much better than him and even they have won the tournament more than once why you are not more concerned about them instead of Rafa? because the H2H? Novak has already better too

I don't understand your confusion. Rafa is playing great this year, while Novak is not. Rafa has a history of beating Roger, while most don't. Again, what are you confused about?


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[Moxie]

Nice job by Frances Tiafoe to take out Haase in 4. He gets Sasha Z. next.

 

[Denis]

I don't understand your confusion. Rafa is playing great this year, while Novak is not. Rafa has a history of beating Roger, while most don't. Again, what are you confused about?


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Carol has a good point here. Novak has beaten fed twice in a final here. Nadal only once. Novak also has a winning h2h. If you take those stats, you should be more worried about Novak than Nadal. Nadals momentum is grossly exaggerated. He lost all those hc finals even against fed. Yes he had a decent clay run, but not a great one. Just a very good French open. And that's your basis for being worried about Nadal? Heck, as a Djokovic fan I'm not even worried about Nadal.

 

[El Dude]

Carol has a good point here. Novak has beaten fed twice in a final here. Nadal only once. Novak also has a winning h2h. If you take those stats, you should be more worried about Novak than Nadal. Nadals momentum is grossly exaggerated. He lost all those hc finals even against fed. Yes he had a decent clay run, but not a great one. Just a very good French open. And that's your basis for being worried about Nadal? Heck, as a Djokovic fan I'm not even worried about Nadal.

Clearly you're not a Roger fan...the Rafa inflicted wounds run deep. This is not to say that I'm not wary of Novak, but his recent form is hardly fear-inducing (Eastbourne was a Ferrer style gimme).


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[DarthFed]

Carol has a good point here. Novak has beaten fed twice in a final here. Nadal only once. Novak also has a winning h2h. If you take those stats, you should be more worried about Novak than Nadal. Nadals momentum is grossly exaggerated. He lost all those hc finals even against fed. Yes he had a decent clay run, but not a great one. Just a very good French open. And that's your basis for being worried about Nadal? Heck, as a Djokovic fan I'm not even worried about Nadal.

In a normal year you're right of course but Nole has been playing poorly all year especially when he comes up against a quality opponent. And Rafa if he reaches the final will be on a huge roll and the surface plays more to his liking the farther he goes. I'm wary of both, they are great players obviously and if they can extend the points and make Roger move they have good chances to beat him.

But quite frankly Roger should take everyone the way he is playing. I'm only worried about Fed keeping his level up at this event. With his first strike tennis, serve and improved backhand and ROS there is no one on paper that "should" beat him. You look at all his losses and it was the ROS especially that did him in. It has been an abomination for many years until 2017.

 

[Denis]

Yeah for Djokovic I am worried about the semi if he even gets there. But if he reaches the final? I'll be pretty confident at that point.

 

[DarthFed]

Lopez out, that opens things up nicely for Nole.

 

[Front242]

Lopez out, that opens things up nicely for Nole.

Guess he's more tin foil man than iron man after all!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Rafa appears on CC tomorrow. My guess is that he will continue to remain on CC until he loses.

 

[Denis]

Rafa appears on CC tomorrow. My guess is that he will continue to remain on CC until he loses.

They put all players at least once on another court no?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They just broached the subject on TV with Nole and Roger; a rule change is needed! Fed actually came out and proposed giving those injured players points and $$ so they'd give up their spot in the draw! Way back when, Connors argued that those early round losers made too much! He was offended by the check he got when upset in the 1st round of a major when he was on his last legs! o_O

If a player is unable to complete his matches due to pre-existing injuries (as opposed to injuries that happen during the current match), a player should be required to pay a fine of $40,000. That way folks who think they are not fit enough to complete the match would not participate and leave the slot to someone else.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They put all players at least once on another court no?

1. They try to, but not always do. In some years, Fed and Murray played all their matches on CC.
2. Rafa has already done his time in #1 court in the first round. His third and fourth round matches
are potential upsets and so they would put it in CC. From QF onwards all matches are on CC anyways.

 

[Front242]

If a player is unable to complete his matches due to pre-existing injuries (as opposed to injuries that happen during the current match), a player should be required to pay a fine of $40,000. That way folks who think they are not fit enough to complete the match would not participate and leave the slot to someone else.

The problem is how to prove it was pre-existing. A big, dopey looking bandage on the knee or thigh is obviously a giveaway but they don't always make it that obvious. Plus, how do you penalize players with "problems with their head for 2 years". Sorry, couldn't resist. Imagine we all know who I'm referencing

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I saw the last 3 games, so not enough to make a considered judgement, but from the limited coverage I saw he was mixing it up. Regardless, that backhand lacks that previous bite and penetration even when he's not slicing.

Just saw the highlights. It was full of forehand winners by JMDP. The highlights had only one BH winner of JMDP and that was a drop shot.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

We have an intriguing match between two former Rafa Slayers (Rosol and Muller) to earn the right to possibly face Rafa (after winning one more match).

 

[Carol]

It should be a penilazation to some people posting crap

 

[Carol]

We have an intriguing match between two former Rafa Slayers (Rosol and Muller) to earn the right to possibly face Rafa (after winning one more match).

I don't understand your confusion. Rafa is playing great this year, while Novak is not. Rafa has a history of beating Roger, while most don't. Again, what are you confused about?


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I don't think Novak is playing so bad but of course it's obvious that he couldn't continue playing so robotized for ever, the body can't resist so much effort too long but it doesn't mean he couldn't win anymore. He is traying hard, changing coaches looking to find those great times that his body and head gave him so many achievements

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Even though it is only the first match, I was very impressed with Nadal's play. From the start, Nadal was determined to be aggressive from the baseline and serve.

The one thing I truly loved was the way he was hitting his backhand in this match. He was hitting deep and hard throughout the match. He was even trying to hit down the line even if he missed it.

I always thought that what makes Nadal truly impossible to beat is when he is hitting his backhand hard and deep. His forehand will always be his signature shot but when he hits his backhand with purpose then his opponents will have a hard time to dictate the pace. In addition, his forehand can be short so opponents can attack it. However, his backhand is most often flat and deep so his opponents can not attack that much.

I am just hoping he continues this style of play not only this fornight but throughout 2017 and the rest of his career.

I saw some parts of the match live and saw the highlights too. I agree Rafa played really well in the first match. But, we need to see as to how he performs against a quality opponent. We need to wait till at least R3 for that.