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They're worried also about Novak..when Novak and Andy got knocked out early at AO..nothing was said but the serving time intervals..when Roger took advantage and abused the medical timeouts, all was said, its about time or he was deserving ..like he had some darn earned credit..

Give me a break about Roger supposedly abusing MTOs. That pos you support is definitely the worst on tour for that though admittedly he hasn't done so for quite a while. Don't think the world has forgotten the many bs ones he's taken over the years though.

Seems very suspect that a 35 year old may need a thigh massage after 3 x 5 setters against top 10 opponents alright. Not. And after 6 months off too.
 
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Don't get me wrong: I like a fast Wimbledon, and I dislike the fact that the courts have been homogenized. In an ideal world, we'd have a fast grass Slam, a slow clay Slam, and one each of fastish and slowish hard Slams (not to mention replacing a hard Masters with grass). Diversity is a good thing. I even agree that some players, like Novak and Rafa, benefit from the homogenization more than others, like Roger. I don't think that is being fanboyish to say so.

On the other hand, it is what it is and I dislike the idea of pre-emptively building a case that gives Roger an excuse if he loses to Novak or Rafa. Not to mention that regardless of how slow Wimbledon is this year, it is still far faster than Roland Garros and faster than a slow hard court.

Rafa probably won't be challenged until Cilic. I like the idea of Muller playing the match of his life and beating him, but I just don't see it. But Cilic could beat him on grass or hards. Novak faces his first challenge in Thiem (or hopefully not Berdych, who he'll get past easily). So both pretty much have easy paths through to the QFs. Roger has a real challenge ahead in Dimitrov, who is playing quite well. After that he has Raonic or Zverev, so I think his path to the SF is hardest of the Big Four. Meanwhile, Andy has Paire and then Anderson/Querrey, so he should be a shoe-in to face Rafa or Cilic in the SF.
 
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I read into this just as you do, with my own perspectives
That's Mac job is to create interest..is Mac or Fleming in the Wimbledon singles draw , no..if the players aren't bitchin that the courts are too slow or the balls are hurting their arms , why are you two or etc

I see so your response is that Mac is just making it up. Meanwhile many players have complained and pretty much every spectator on this thread sees that the courts look significantly slower.
 

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Don't get me wrong: I like a fast Wimbledon, and I dislike the fact that the courts have been homogenized. In an ideal world, we'd have a fast grass Slam, a slow clay Slam, and one each of fastish and slowish hard Slams (not to mention replacing a hard Masters with grass). Diversity is a good thing. I even agree that some players, like Novak and Rafa, benefit from the homogenization more than others, like Roger. I don't think that is being fanboyish to say so.

On the other hand, it is what it is and I dislike the idea of pre-emptively building a case that gives Roger an excuse if he loses to Novak or Rafa. Not to mention that regardless of how slow Wimbledon is this year, it is still far faster than Roland Garros and faster than a slow hard court.

Rafa probably won't be challenged until Cilic. I like the idea of Muller playing the match of his life and beating him, but I just don't see it. But Cilic could beat him on grass or hards. Novak faces his first challenge in Thiem (or hopefully not Berdych, who he'll get past easily). So both pretty much have easy paths through to the QFs. Roger has a real challenge ahead in Dimitrov, who is playing quite well. After that he has Raonic or Zverev, so I think his path to the SF is hardest of the Big Four. Meanwhile, Andy has Paire and then Anderson/Querrey, so he should be a shoe-in to face Rafa or Cilic in the SF.

Nah, there is no excuse, a loss is a loss. But if you don't see how a heavier ball which is creating way slower and higher-bouncing conditions tilts the favor to certain players then it's pointless. Of course the Rafa fans are thrilled and Fed fans are pissed about what's going on right now. What if they made clay into a fast and low bouncing surface next year, ya think they'd be upset?
 

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I agree on that. I would not try to use Roger's eventual loss as an excuse because he can still lose even on a fast surface. However, the fact that the surfaces are getting closer in speed is a joke. For me, part of greatness in tennis is versatility, and versatility can only be seen when one can easily transition from slow clay to ultra fast grass, like what Borg did.
 

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Dudi Sela who is14 inches shorter beat Isner on grass. If that doesn't highlight how slow this surface is, I don't know what does.
 
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Well, in my opinion and talking about tough opponents and looking how much Roger's opponents would like to see Rafa losing then it's my turn to say that I doubt Dimitrov could give Roger some problems (I wish) first because after the AO he has not done too much and second I don't think the grass is his specialty, then he will have Raonic who would be the only one could give him a tough match before the semis (I hope he will). I think Rafa has more dificult draw, Muller is not a "peace of cake" and definitely tougher than Dimitrov and then he would have Cilic if he would reach there. Meanwhile Muzz has the easier way
 

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Likewise. No excuse here either. I simply find this slow grass and heavy balls this year utterly disrespectful. We've finished with the slow slam on clay and this is meant to be fast tennis for grass season but it's not much faster at all and feels just more of the same painted green and brown. Which frankly anyone who respects diversity should be against.
 

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I agree on that. I would not try to use Roger's eventual loss as an excuse because he can still lose even on a fast surface. However, the fact that the surfaces are getting closer in speed is a joke. For me, part of greatness in tennis is versatility, and versatility can only be seen when one can easily transition from slow clay to ultra fast grass, like what Borg did.
Do you think the grass surface was faster in 2008 and 2010 than now?
 

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Well, in my opinion and talking about tough opponents and looking how much Roger's opponents would like to see Rafa losing then it's my turn to say that I doubt Dimitrov could give Roger some problems (I wish) first because after the AO he has not done too much and second I don't think the grass is his specialty, then he will have Raonic who would be the only one could give him a tough match before the semis (I hope he will). I think Rafa has more dificult draw, Muller is not a "peace of cake" and definitely tougher than Dimitrov and then he would have Cilic if he would reach there. Meanwhile Muzz has the easier way

Dimitrov has beaten Murray at Wimbledon. He's as inconsistent as Wawrinka or Gulbis but equally so he can be great every so often.
 

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I see so your response is that Mac is just making it up. Meanwhile many players have complained and pretty much every spectator on this thread sees that the courts look significantly slower.
Nah..john just talking about the conditions of the balls ..its the two of you are implying that it was done to benefit the nonFederer members of the big four
 

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Do you think the grass surface was faster in 2008 and 2010 than now?

Definitely but still slow. This year is the worst I've ever seen it since they started butchering it.
 

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Nah..john just talking about the conditions of the balls ..its the two of you are implying that it was done to benefit the nonFederer members of the big four

There's no implication needed. It's obvious they want longer rallies and longer points or they wouldn't keep slowing it down, would they?
 

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Well, in my opinion and talking about tough opponents and looking how much Roger's opponents would like to see Rafa losing then it's my turn to say that I doubt Dimitrov could give Roger some problems (I wish) first because after the AO he has not done too much and second I don't think the grass is his specialty, then he will have Raonic who would be the only one could give him a tough match before the semis (I hope he will). I think Rafa has more dificult draw, Muller is not a "peace of cake" and definitely tougher than Dimitrov and then he would have Cilic if he would reach there. Meanwhile Muzz has the easier way

We can agree that Andy has the easiest path. But let's compare Muller and Dimitrov. First of all, I didn't say Muller was a piece of cake, just that I think it very unlikely he upsets Rafa. Muller's career high ranking is #26 vs. Grigor's #8. Muller is 7-9 at Wimbledon, while Grigor is 12-7. Muller's previous best result was a 3R (4R now), while Grigor's was a SF. Muller has beat a top 10 player 11 times since 2004, while Grigor has beat a top 10 player 16 times since 2012.

Sure, Muller has been playing well this year, possibly having his best year ever. But Grigor played very well at the AO, and is having his second best overall year.

Hmm, I wonder who is a more difficult opponent?

That said, I give Muller about equal chances of upsetting Rafa as I do Dimitrov upsetting Roger, because of it being WImbledon and grass. It could happen, but I don't think either will.
 
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Grass was slow in 2008 and 2010, and this year it looks even slower.
I know that since 2002 the grass became slower but sorry but I think some of you are exaggerating a little too much. And anyway I don't see it's harming to Roger, he is doing well even better than Novak
 

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I don't have any idea how someone thinks that the game was faster............

 

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I know that since 2002 the grass became slower but sorry but I think some of you are exaggerating a little too much. And anyway I don't see it's harming to Roger, he is doing well even better than Novak
How am I exaggerating?
 

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I don't have any idea how someone thinks that the game was faster............


You can't conclude using this video because they are dinking the ball, as if they were playing ping pong.

I saw a Jeff Tarango look-alike in that video.
 
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Do you think the grass surface was faster in 2008 and 2010 than now?

Significantly faster yes. The complaining is due to it being much slower than we've ever seen it, simple as that. I don't even call this grass, it's playing like a medium-HC