2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[Front242]

The court case is against a bitch who has the tail between the legs to talk so much garbage, so in one word its not his case but her case, got it?

Sure. Go watch the film the incredible shrinking man.

 

[Front242]

Did you watch the tape of last week Cilic vs Lopez match

No but I never claimed Nadal was the only one slow between points and you know it. If Cilic was slow then he should be penalized just as Nadal should. In every match in the case of the latter as he's over the alotted time every match. Del Potro and Isner are ridiculously slow too and I've mentioned this many times. Everyone, however, knows Nadal is and that's the problem with you lot. All you ever do is try and deflect the attention away and hope people forget. To quote Anonymous:

"We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. We do not forget"

 

[Moxie]

Given how the matches between Roger and Rafa have gone this year on hard court I think everyone can would agree if this was on a faster court you lot wouldn't be half as cocky. As Darth pointed out earlier, imagine the tables being turned and the French Open turning into a very fast court. Would you be happy? Didn't think so. Legit gripes with this bs surface and heavier balls this year and Roger has his work cut out for him way before thinking of even playing Nadal if that final were to materialize as he has the toughest route by far. With these conditions none of Roger's next opponents are easy. Nadal's on the other hand got much easier and he and his team must be delighted with this pitiful tournament this year.

No one in their right mind who's a Nadal fan is cocky at Wimbledon for years now. BS said he doesn't think he'll win. Should it be a Fedal final, Rafa will always have a shot, and that's down to historic match-up and the conditions that would be on court anyway by the final. I agree with Dude that Dimitrov is one of the tougher opponents in the next round, though I don't see the upset. Zverev/Raonic won't be fun for him, but there you'd have to agree the slower conditions help him. A revived Djokovic is his potential banana peel, and there I'll give you your gripe. But you have to concede that the weather has something to do with it.

And for the record, I'm not even sure how you'd turn RG into a very fast court.

 

[Moxie]

No but I never claimed Nadal was the only one slow between points and you know it. If Cilic was slow then he should be penalized just as Nadal should. In every match in the case of the latter as he's over the alotted time every match. Del Potro and Isner are ridiculously slow too and I've mentioned this many times. Everyone, however, knows Nadal is and that's the problem with you lot. All you ever do is try and deflect the attention away and hope people forget. To quote Anonymous:

"We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. We do not forget"

You should also watch the Khatchanov match. Even the commies were noting that Rafa was playing quickly during much of it. I don't know about the beginning. He's speeded things up quite a bit. I think you should pay more attention before just reaching for old tropes.

 

[Carol]

Given how the matches between Roger and Rafa have gone this year on hard court I think everyone can would agree if this was on a faster court you lot wouldn't be half as cocky. As Darth pointed out earlier, imagine the tables being turned and the French Open turning into a very fast court. Would you be happy? Didn't think so. Legit gripes with this bs surface and heavier balls this year and Roger has his work cut out for him way before thinking of even playing Nadal if that final were to materialize as he has the toughest route by far. With these conditions none of Roger's next opponents are easy. Nadal's on the other hand got much easier and he and his team must be delighted with this pitiful tournament this year.

Well, Rafa did pretty well in those fast courts like AO and Miami and later in Madrid where the clay surface is faster and even RG was faster than usually has been.

 

[Front242]

You should also watch the Khatchanov match. Even the commies were noting that Rafa was playing quickly during much of it. I don't know about the beginning. He's speeded things up quite a bit. I think you should pay more attention before just reaching for old tropes.

I agree he has definitely speeded up lately but he's still way slower than he should be on average. He's played no one remotely challenging so far though given the conditions so we'll so if he reverts back to his usual self when things aren't going his way. Btw, atttomole stated the opposite in the link below. I can't comment 'cos I didn't watch more than a few minutes highlights but I can't personally see Nadal playing fast enough to not be over the limit still quite often. After all, he'll take any edge he can get and is well aware it annoys his opponents so I can't see why he'd completely stop. Maybe some points he's faster, but important ones he'll still make them wait forever, mark my words.

https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...on-championships-men.5542/page-38#post-299860

 

[Denis]

You should also watch the Khatchanov match. Even the commies were noting that Rafa was playing quickly during much of it. I don't know about the beginning. He's speeded things up quite a bit. I think you should pay more attention before just reaching for old tropes.

This is true, I noticed it too. Still he's one of the worst on tour for years, would be nice if he improves in this point

 

[Moxie]

It's beyond fear..i am afraid the sith lord Darth has created terror in the minds of his apprentices Fronty and others.

Fear is enough, along with their hatred, and Front doesn't need Darth to whip him up. Probably a few others are surfing the jet-stream. The very few blemishes on the Federer legacy come in the shape of Rafael Nadal. And just when Roger finds his way back to form, so does Rafa. For sure Darth's worst nightmare is that Roger should lose again to Rafa at Wimbledon. Thus the handwringing, the whining and griping. I don't know why they don't just grasp onto Cilic, with the certainly that Rafa still won't make another SF at Wimbledon.

 

[Front242]

Well, Rafa did pretty well in those fast courts like AO and Miami and later in Madrid where the clay surface is faster and even RG was faster than usually has been.

Indeed he did, finals of all but I'm talking 3 losses to Federer on courts that, while still not fast, were faster than the garbage this Wimbledon is. So it's reasonable to assume he'd have a much harder time against Federer on a faster court and this is as slow as RG and Roger skipped that for a reason. I pointed out yesterday, it seems Centre Court is worse than most and the smaller courts don't seem as bad but they're still using the heavier balls which sucks.

 

[Carol]

Sure. Go watch the film the incredible shrinking man.

Did you mean the incredible shrinking woman?

 

[Moxie]

I agree he has definitely speeded up lately but he's still way slower than he should be on average. He's played no one remotely challenging so far though given the conditions so we'll so if he reverts back to his usual self when things aren't going his way. Btw, atttomole stated the opposite in the link below. I can't comment 'cos I didn't watch more than a few minutes highlights but I can't personally see Nadal playing fast enough to not be over the limit still quite often. After all, he'll take any edge he can get and is well aware it annoys his opponents so I can't see why he'd completely stop. Maybe some points he's faster, but important ones he'll still make them wait forever, mark my words.

https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...on-championships-men.5542/page-38#post-299860

That actually was the post I was referring to. Just because attomole said he thought KK looked irritated doesn't make it so, or that it was Rafa's slow play. He was playing very quickly for himself in that match, and if KK looked disgruntled in that first set, he had many reasons to be, least of which being Rafa's pace of play. Look, since you didn't watch it: KK was surely overwhelmed by playing Rafa the first time in his first time on Centre Court. He gathered himself as the match went on. He got Nadal a bit nervous in the 3rd, but that's when Rafa was playing fastest, so it wasn't gamesmanship. Forgive me if I don't "mark your words," because they are tainted by so much prejudice. If you don't watch a match, don't complain. Nadal has speeded up a lot over the last few years. Fewer ticks. I still maintain that he takes his time for the sake of his focus, and his focus is one of the most noted in the game. You don't like it, because it wins him a lot of matches. But I sincerely think he does it for his own concentration and not to game the other guy. He has so many quirks that are about that, which don't really affect the other player, at all. I don't know how you separate this one out and call it deliberately putting off the other player.

 

[Carol]

Indeed he did, finals of all but I'm talking 3 losses to Federer on courts that, while still not fast, were faster than the garbage this Wimbledon is. So it's reasonable to assume he'd have a much harder time against Federer on a faster court and this is as slow as RG and Roger skipped that for a reason. I pointed out yesterday, it seems Centre Court is worse than most and the smaller courts don't seem as bad but they're still using the heavier balls which sucks.

Rafa has played (on Monday too) on Court 1 and he has played as well as in Central Court. Oh wait, Court 1 is slow too.....
And for your information (you can deny it 1000 times) this grass is faster than AO

 

[Moxie]

This is true, I noticed it too. Still he's one of the worst on tour for years, would be nice if he improves in this point

Do read my post to Front above, but I think it is part of his process. As a Djokovic fan, you ought to be a bit sympathetic, and Nole isn't a lot better, under duress. It's about focusing the mind, not gamesmanship. I remember when Novak first came to major attention, and the commies were trying to figure if there was a pattern to the ball bouncing. There wasn't. And Novak said that it just helped him concentrate. We prize these guys for their ability to win so many matches, but diss what gets them there. Federer does go quickly and blithely along...the Holly Golightly of Tennis. But he gets told off even by his fans for his crap 5-set record. Who knows what it takes to keep them so far above the tree-line compared to the rest, but I think we should give it a little space.

 

[Front242]

That actually was the post I was referring to. Just because attomole said he thought KK looked irritated doesn't make it so, or that it was Rafa's slow play. He was playing very quickly for himself in that match, and if KK looked disgruntled in that first set, he had many reasons to be, least of which being Rafa's pace of play. Look, since you didn't watch it: KK was surely overwhelmed by playing Rafa the first time in his first time on Centre Court. He gathered himself as the match went on. He got Nadal a bit nervous in the 3rd, but that's when Rafa was playing fastest, so it wasn't gamesmanship. Forgive me if I don't "mark your words," because they are tainted by so much prejudice. If you don't watch a match, don't complain. Nadal has speeded up a lot over the last few years. Fewer ticks. I still maintain that he takes his time for the sake of his focus, and his focus is one of the most noted in the game. You don't like it, because it wins him a lot of matches. But I sincerely think he does it for his own concentration and not to game the other guy. He has so many quirks that are about that, which don't really affect the other player, at all. I don't know how you separate this one out and call it deliberately putting off the other player.

He was never this slow serving when he first came on tour and didn't annoy me half as much as a result. Whether he's doing it for his focus or not is irrelevant as he knows he's abusing the rules. Yes, as I said he has become a bit faster at times but the majority of the time he's still slow as hell on big points. Deliberate or not is irrelevant since it's unfair either way. It's been discussed to death at this stage but it's the umpire's fault if they don't do anything about it but the fact that he keeps doing it while knowing it's unfair makes him pretty damn unsporting too and that's also been pointed out. He's only won the sportsmanship award once. For good reason. The players vote for this award so they clearly don't think much of him.

 

[Front242]

Rafa has played (on Monday too) on Court 1 and he has played as well as in Central Court. Oh wait, Court 1 is slow too.....
And for your information (you can deny it 1000 times) this grass is faster than AO

He played the mighty John Milkman in his first match so it doesn't matter what speed the court was.

 

[Moxie]

He was never this slow serving when he first came on tour and didn't annoy me half as much as a result. Whether he's doing it for his focus or not is irrelevant as he knows he's abusing the rules. Yes, as I said he has become a bit faster at times but the majority of the time he's still slow as hell on big points. Deliberate or not is irrelevant since it's unfair either way. It's been discussed to death at this stage but it's the umpire's fault if they don't do anything about it but the fact that he keeps doing it while knowing it's unfair makes him pretty damn unsporting too and that's also been pointed out. He's only won the sportsmanship award once. For good reason. The players vote for this award so they clearly don't think much of him.

But the umpires have been enforcing it on him, and he's speeded up, as a result. Keep up with the times, and stop knitting over old grievances.

 

[Front242]

But the umpires have been enforcing it on him, and he's speeded up, as a result. Keep up with the times, and stop knitting over old grievances.

Enforcing it on him for years my arse. He got how many point deductions in the last decade? Warnings don't mean sh1t unless it results in a lost point and he didn't lose too many of them in the last 10 years...

The guy even had the nerve to get the ATP to ban one of the few umpires who had the nerve to enforce the rules. That shows how gutless the weasels are and if you think they're enforcing anything on him you must be delusional I'm afraid. The reason he didn't do anything about it for years was because neither did they. Now they hit him with the occasional time violation "warning". Wow. Can't recall the last time he got a point deduction. Worst case scenario is he gets his first serve taken away once every 5 years...

 

[Carol]

He played the mighty John Milkman in his first match so it doesn't matter what speed the court was.

Yeah.... M Zeverev is much better with his serve and volley but been unable to do anything else.....

 

[britbox]

Results from the Wimbledon Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Saturday

8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Jared Donaldson (U.S.) 7-5 6-4 6-2
3-Roger Federer (Switzerland) beat 27-Mischa Zverev (Germany) 7-6(3) 6-4 6-4
2-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Ernests Gulbis (Latvia) 6-4 6-1 7-6(2)
10-Alexander Zverev (Germany) beat Sebastian Ofner (Austria) 6-4 6-4 6-2
11-Tomas Berdych (Czech Republic) beat David Ferrer (Spain) 6-3 6-4 6-3
Adrian Mannarino (France) beat 15-Gael Monfils (France) 7-6(3) 4-6 5-7 6-3 6-2
6-Milos Raonic (Canada) beat 25-Albert Ramos (Spain) 7-6(3) 6-4 7-5
24-Sam Querrey (U.S.) beat 12-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) 6-2 3-6 7-6(5) 1-6 7-5
13-Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria) beat Dudi Sela (Israel) 6-1 6-1 (Sela retired)

24-Sam Querrey (U.S.) beat 12-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) 6-2 3-6 7-6(5) 1-6 7-5



13-Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria) beat Dudi Sela (Israel) 6-1 6-1 (Sela retired)



6-Milos Raonic (Canada) beat 25-Albert Ramos (Spain) 7-6(3) 6-4 7-5



2-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Ernests Gulbis (Latvia) 6-4 6-1 7-6(2)





3-Roger Federer (Switzerland) beat 27-Mischa Zverev (Germany) 7-6(3) 6-4 6-4

 

[Moxie]

He played the mighty John Milkman in his first match so it doesn't matter what speed the court was.

Point of the bolded K? And do you really want to complain about the first round opponents of the top 4 seeds?

Enforcing it on him for years my arse. He got how many point deductions in the last decade? Warnings don't mean sh1t unless it results in a lost point and he didn't lose too many of them in the last 10 years...

The guy even had the nerve to get the ATP to ban one of the few umpires who had the nerve to enforce the rules. That shows how gutless the weasels are and if you think they're enforcing anything on him you must be delusional I'm afraid. The reason he didn't do anything about it for years was because neither did they. Now they hit him with the occasional time violation "warning". Wow. Can't recall the last time he got a point deduction. Worst case scenario is he gets his first serve taken away once every 5 years...

I didn't say "for years", you did. Please reread my post. Jeepers, now you've managed to insert another of your favorites re: Bernardes. As you say, they didn't actually enforce the time limit for years, which was one of the things that let players get so mannered. The enforcement has only come up in the last, say, 5 years, and Nadal has been docked first serves, even this year. Complain all you like, but if you're not going to pay attention to the way it's being enforced, and the amount that it has sped up Rafa, then you have to abdicate from the conversation. There is also a big conversation in tennis about when it happens. Many are in favor of warning early, and not leaving it to a critical moment in the match, which has also been done. The players and the umpires are working through the best way to make it fair.