2015 Australian Open Final: Djokovic vs. Murray

[Carol]

Well, I like Murray a lot but people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones as Murray is himself known for grabbing body parts after dropping points.

But, Murray's right, Novak is often guilty of this so I never understood when Djokovic fans threw that in Murray's face when Djokovic does it more dramatically (but in fairness, less often).

Like I said before I wasn't surprised, I saw Novak many times acting dramatically and more when he feels that the match is not running in his way, lifting the arms , talking to his box, hitting the Perrier add, smashing the racket, calling the trainer (last Wimbledon) to get a massage in his upper leg same like in the USO 2011 because his back but at the end he always can play and well and he never is out of the court for more than two weeks
Sorry but I don't remember to see Muzz "acting" that way

Murray is way worse except for calling the trainer. In many matches he grabs a different body part after darn near every shot he misses. As for calling the trainer...you're a Nadal fan right? And you're complaining about potential fake timeouts :laydownlaughing

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

 

[mrzz]

Were Andy's opponents in his first 8 slam finals better or worse than Roger's? Obviously, if you're facing Roger, Rafa or Novak in every slam final, it's as tough as it gets in this era. Andy isn't great enough to have a winning record in these finals, but if he faced Puerta or Phillippoussis, as was suggested...that's all that's being said.

I think you might agree with me, too, if you think about it...

Things are not as simple as you think. Fed won against both Novak and Andy at USO.
When it came to facing JMDP, he failed despite JMDP being a weaker opponent on paper
at that time in comparison to Andy and Novak. It is hard to say whether something would
be easy or not when it had not happened.

Well said. There's a circularity to this weak era theory which always baffles me. People will denigrate Federer for some of his early victims, but then hold Federer up as an example of the opposition other players have to face :huh:

The weak competition argument is so often used because it basically fits in any narrative. You can say someone ranked 133 was unbeatable on a given R2 at Wimbledon, but you won't acknowledge that a guy on the top 10 having the week of his life was a hard opponent on a slam final.

If someone had manage to beat Cilic last year, would it be an "easy" win?

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Andy was upset last week when he tweeted about Nadal getting lauded as a warrior for beating Smyczek despite visibly struggling with his body, compared to when he ground out an identical win over Rosol (or someone) at the U.S. Open last year and fans, including on here, were having digs at him for it. Nole suffered three phases of being 'injured' in this match then recovered to win a few games on the bounce each time. If Andy did that some people would have wigged out big style. There is a double standard so he has a point.

And yes, he does do it more often whether it's genuine or not but the reaction to the specific instance at the US last year (which is the only one he actually mentioned) where he lost a 6-1 set obviously wasn't fake but people still had a dig, so he has a point in what he's saying there.

However, he certainly shouldn't be saying anything about it in public because 1) he will get even more grief for doing it himself in future, 2) it doesn't achieve anything and 3) it comes across as sour grapes.

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[DarthFed]

Like I said before I wasn't surprised, I saw Novak many times acting dramatically and more when he feels that the match is not running in his way, lifting the arms , talking to his box, hitting the Perrier add, smashing the racket, calling the trainer (last Wimbledon) to get a massage in his upper leg same like in the USO 2011 because his back but at the end he always can play and well and he never is out of the court for more than two weeks
Sorry but I don't remember to see Muzz "acting" that way

Murray is way worse except for calling the trainer. In many matches he grabs a different body part after darn near every shot he misses. As for calling the trainer...you're a Nadal fan right? And you're complaining about potential fake timeouts :laydownlaughing

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

 

[Carol]

Murray is way worse except for calling the trainer. In many matches he grabs a different body part after darn near every shot he misses. As for calling the trainer...you're a Nadal fan right? And you're complaining about potential fake timeouts :laydownlaughing

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

I see that you are one of the Federer's fans who doesn't like Nadal for obvious reasons, so moving on, there are not case here, no more futher questions :lolz: :laydownlaughing :angel:

 

[DarthFed]

Ah yes, I only dislike Nadal because of the Roger's losses to him. That must also be why I like Djokovic and Berdych a lot more than Murray

It seems you don't like Djokovic for obvious reasons too...

 

[Federberg]

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

I see that you are one of the Federer's fans who doesn't like Nadal for obvious reasons, so moving on, there are not case here, no more futher questions :lolz: :laydownlaughing :angel:

It's not about fandom. These things have happened. I'm a Federer fan, but I have no problem calling out my own player if I think he's up to no good. If I remember correctly both Darth and I spoke out about Roger during a match against Murray in Beijing (or Shanghai?) a few years back. Would be great if fans just showed a bit more objectivity sometimes.. :nono

 

[Carol]

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

I see that you are one of the Federer's fans who doesn't like Nadal for obvious reasons, so moving on, there are not case here, no more futher questions :lolz: :laydownlaughing :angel:

It's not about fandom. These things have happened. I'm a Federer fan, but I have no problem calling out my own player if I think he's up to no good. If I remember correctly both Darth and I spoke out about

Roger during a match against Murray in Beijing (or Shanghai?) a few years back. Would be great if fans just showed a bit more objectivity sometimes.. :nono

Objectivity? and you are saying something about "suspect" timeouts? and you kidding me?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Murray is way worse except for calling the trainer. In many matches he grabs a different body part after darn near every shot he misses. As for calling the trainer...you're a Nadal fan right? And you're complaining about potential fake timeouts :laydownlaughing

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

Well, Toni isn't the best coach in the world for nothing

 

[Federberg]

I see that you are one of the Federer's fans who doesn't like Nadal for obvious reasons, so moving on, there are not case here, no more futher questions :lolz: :laydownlaughing :angel:

It's not about fandom. These things have happened. I'm a Federer fan, but I have no problem calling out my own player if I think he's up to no good. If I remember correctly both Darth and I spoke out about

Roger during a match against Murray in Beijing (or Shanghai?) a few years back. Would be great if fans just showed a bit more objectivity sometimes.. :nono

Objectivity? and you are saying something about "suspect" timeouts? and you kidding me?

Elaborate...

And bear in mind the story about living in glass houses..

 

[Carol]

It's not about fandom. These things have happened. I'm a Federer fan, but I have no problem calling out my own player if I think he's up to no good. If I remember correctly both Darth and I spoke out about

Roger during a match against Murray in Beijing (or Shanghai?) a few years back. Would be great if fans just showed a bit more objectivity sometimes.. :nono

Objectivity? and you are saying something about "suspect" timeouts? and you kidding me?

Elaborate...

And bear in mind the story about living in glass houses..

Yep, I see that...lol

 

[the AntiPusher]

Murray is way worse except for calling the trainer. In many matches he grabs a different body part after darn near every shot he misses. As for calling the trainer...you're a Nadal fan right? And you're complaining about potential fake timeouts :laydownlaughing

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

That's where you are very indifferent with the feelings and respect that Roger has towards Rafa but not so much for Novak. Sure, Fed has some differences with Rafa's quirks but as a player he respects him as a competitor.

 

[Fiero425]

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

That's where you are very indifferent with the feelings and respect that Roger has towards Rafa but not so much for Novak. Sure, Fed has some differences with Rafa's quirks but as a player he respects him as a competitor.

..and you know this how? uzzled :s :nono :cover If I were Roger, I wouldn't have that much respect for someone who's gamed the system and taken a few victories from the jaws of defeat outside of "said competitor" and his ability! :dodgy:

 

[DarthFed]

And you are a Novak fan, right? If Nadal has called the trainer it was because he had a reason, if not check by yourself how many times he has been OUT of the court :eyepop

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

That's where you are very indifferent with the feelings and respect that Roger has towards Rafa but not so much for Novak. Sure, Fed has some differences with Rafa's quirks but as a player he respects him as a competitor.

I don't think he and Nole are bitter rivals anymore. I haven't got that sense in a couple years. Back in the day there was no love loss and both of them (and Nole's family) did some things to add fuel to the fire. I liked it :clap

I've always thought Roger isn't bitter enough when it comes to his losses vs. Nadal. Fed is not necessarily a good loser but I wish he was a lot worse than he is in that regard. Competitive arseholes/poor losers tend to rule the sports universe. Nole is a rare exception. He is an incredibly good sport. I find it irritating.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm a Federer fan who does like Novak and his game. I do agree that Nole can be dramatic on court at times when things aren't going his way. Rafa saves his drama queen act for when he is off the court for the most part. As for fake medical timeouts how long have you been watching your precious Nadal? He doesn't resort to it as often anymore but the "suspect" timeouts were a big part of his and Uncle Homie's playbook for quite awhile to break momentum.

That's where you are very indifferent with the feelings and respect that Roger has towards Rafa but not so much for Novak. Sure, Fed has some differences with Rafa's quirks but as a player he respects him as a competitor.

..and you know this how? uzzled :s :nono :cover If I were Roger, I wouldn't have that much respect for someone who's gamed the system and taken a few victories from the jaws of defeat outside of "said competitor" and his ability! :dodgy:

That's because you obviously probably never played a sport competitively at high level and have a rival. How can you dislike someone who "does something just better than you do when you face that opponent". Roger doesnt strike me as that type of a person, nor Rafa.

 

[nehmeth]

That's where you are very indifferent with the feelings and respect that Roger has towards Rafa but not so much for Novak. Sure, Fed has some differences with Rafa's quirks but as a player he respects him as a competitor.

..and you know this how? uzzled :s :nono :cover If I were Roger, I wouldn't have that much respect for someone who's gamed the system and taken a few victories from the jaws of defeat outside of "said competitor" and his ability! :dodgy:

That's because you obviously probably never played a sport competitively at high level and have a rival. How can you dislike someone who "does something just better than you do when you face that opponent". Roger doesnt strike me as that type of a person, nor Rafa.

Pushy, really? Obviously, probably never played competitively? Which is it and how do you know that? C'mon man. :nono

Using your reasoning, then Roger should also have respect for Novak too. But you know otherwise?

 

[the AntiPusher]

..and you know this how? uzzled :s :nono :cover If I were Roger, I wouldn't have that much respect for someone who's gamed the system and taken a few victories from the jaws of defeat outside of "said competitor" and his ability! :dodgy:

That's because you obviously probably never played a sport competitively at high level and have a rival. How can you dislike someone who "does something just better than you do when you face that opponent". Roger doesnt strike me as that type of a person, nor Rafa.

Pushy, really? Obviously, probably never played competitively? Which is it and how do you know that? C'mon man. :nono

Using your reasoning, then Roger should also have respect for Novak too. But you know otherwise?

I know what I am talking about.. I have played with some ex ATP pros every weekend.. They all say that that have had rivals but not a dislike for an opponent because they havent been unable to figure a way out to defeat them.. Novak has annoyed Roger in the past, just as he has annoyed Roddick and others.. Is that not true , No.. You always think I am posting out of a lack of respect for a player.. Show me where I have Ever said anything disrepectful about Novak. So what's your point Nehmeth

 

[nehmeth]

So what's your point Nehmeth

The point pushy is that you just told a poster - either probably or obviously (you used both in the same sentence) that they never played a competitive sport at a 'high level'. How do you know that just by their post?

 

[the AntiPusher]

So what's your point Nehmeth

The point pushy is that you just told a poster - either probably or obviously (you used both in the same sentence) that they never played a competitive sport at a 'high level'. How do you know that just by their post?

Well, yes.. If you played competitely at a high level, you dont say that Roger dislikes Rafa or whomever because he has lost close matches to him.. that not how things work.. Is that clear to you now

 

[nehmeth]

So what's your point Nehmeth

The point pushy is that you just told a poster - either probably or obviously (you used both in the same sentence) that they never played a competitive sport at a 'high level'. How do you know that just by their post?

Well, yes.. If you played competitely at a high level, you dont say that Roger dislikes Rafa or whomever because he has lost close matches to him.. that not how things work.. Is that clear to you now

Wrong. Connors never liked McEnroe and Sampras and Agassi still don't like each other. And I am pretty sure they did play competitive sport at a high level. So maybe Fiero did too... and maybe you could ask first?
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