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I appreciate everything you had to say and wrote in this "The Iliad," but it's full of "what if?!" All those suppositions of age, other comp. & maybes didn't happen! Numbers are numbers; cold and hard! No one 100 years from now is going to be making up "outside possibilities" to justify a change in thinking when it comes to the GOAT race! Fed's the classiest and most graceful, while Rafa was the work-horse! In the end it won't matter if Novak overtakes them in every possible catagory! He's already there, just 1 major behind Rafa! All the other #'s belong to ND; wks @ #1, total wks. @ #1, YE #1's @ 7, 2 Double Golden Slams, 2 CGS's, & a Nole-Slam! Fedal don't really come close to those at this time in their careers! They're all about to exit the stage! We'll appreciate them, but like the "Highlander," "there can be only one!" :shushing-face: :face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-tears-of-joy::astonished-face:
Federer made 18/19 GS slam finals! 10 in a row !! The most Djokovic made was 6! I would like to know how many records Novak would have if he didn't start using his :egg:machine in 2011!? :fearful-face: :thinking-face: 1 slam wonder :yesyes::thumbs-up:
 

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I've gotta give it to you, Fiero: your hyperbole never comes across as malicious. Love the humor of it, even if you frequently veer into ridiculosity and "Old Man Yells at Clouds." ;)

I get that a lot! I try to back up my commentary with reasons and stats unlike most who just say "he's a bum or fake" and leaves it at that! Some here don't like fans questioning or bemoaning Rafa & his broken body & need to "not make a big deal" of his injuries! Novak's been one of the luckiest players who's held up pretty well for almost 20 years on the tour! He had a little problem with the elbow several years ago and now he's mentioned "his wrist!" Do they really want to get into a p!$$ing contest when it comes to whining about being hurt or not? After a while it gets annoying and I don't reference the Serb who's been the most resilient pro in memory! He's more likely to skip an event under duress than to flake out trying to withhold info about an injury that exists or doesn't! :fearful-face: :shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

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Good Grief what a load of horse manure.. I miss @MargaretMcAleer already! Moxie.. how many days before she returns
I was ignoring you before, but feel impelled to say that you're really edging closer to Nadalfan2013/NadalGOAT territory.

Feel free to offer something substantive, rather than "I sense someone not jerking off to Rafa, so am going to throw a tantrum!"
 
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As you know, I tend to give (and still give) Novak the singular GOAT crown if I have to pick just one (gun to head), or at least give him a tiny sliver of an edge as "first among equals." But my preference is otherwise - that taking all factors into account, history is best served by seeing them as a "three-headed GOAT" - or, better yet, jettison the whole idea of GOAT.

But I'm going to put on my Fedfan hat for a moment - not to argue that he deserves the singular GOAT, but to defend this idea that he "should have retired" in 2012 or 2017, or at any given point.

For one, even after 2012, Roger was still one of the three best players for another six or seven years, at least most of the time. He struggled at times with injury, but when healthy he was right there - and still going deep in Slams, including three Finals in 2014-15, and a last one in 2019. To say he should have retired in 2012 after Wimbledon, well, it fits the Sampras mold, but part of the legend of Roger (and the Big Three as a whole)--and what sets them apart from Sampras and others--is that they came back, and they returned to the top when it seemed like they were done. And of course by suggesting that he "should have" retired after Wimbledon in 2017 ignores his 2018 AO victory, or the fact that he reached--and almost won--the 2019 Wimbledon.

My sense is that you like the narrative of going out on top - or at least after a big victory. And yeah, it is a nice one. Who knows, maybe if he had won that 2019 Wimbledon he would have retired, and it would have been a beautiful moment. Instead we got the limping anguish of 2020-22. But I don't think that tarnishes his legacy at all. Sampras' retirement is singular, as is Borg's. Everyone else retired in a more conventional way: decline and eventual retirement. Such is life (and tennis).

Now let's talk about Slam totals. Some folks (like @Kieran in his post just above) like to focus on Roger getting early "easy" Slams, but let's also consider the second half of his career. Let's start with the hypothesis that the three of them were, at their best, basically equals. They all have their specializations, and we can argue endlessly about specifics (e.g. peak Novak vs. peak Roger on hards, how much to weigh Rafa's unparalleled clay dominance vs. his weaker resume on hards and grass, etc), but let's just assume, for a moment, that they were all--at their best, and overall as players--equally (or at least similarly) great. To use a phrase from political elections, "too close to call." They all had periods of utter dominance, all enjoyed great longevity, all areas where they were unparalleled, etc etc.

This view implies that a reliance on raw statistics, especially Slam totals, is hugely over-simplistic. Or, at the very least, if you're going to rely on statistics, look at all of them - and put them in context, rather than taking the easy route of "Slam reductionism."

I mean, it is baked into all of us: to think in terms of Slam titles as the singular measure of greatness, or at least by far the most important. Now it may be the most important, at least in terms of bragging rights, but it shouldn't be looked at alone or aside from everything else. Furthermore, we have to consider context. I've often talked about Andy Murray as a lesser great who would have been an ATG if he played 10 years before or 10 years after. The fact is, Andy reached 11 Slam finals - the same as McEnroe, Wilander, and Edberg, and one more than Becker. He just had to face three guys who were better than any player that those four ever had to play, with the possible exception of Borg and Sampras at the tail-end and start of their careers, respectively (this is not to bag on those four guys - the mid-to-late 80s was arguably the most difficult context to win a Slam in, with more ATGs in or near their primes than in any other part of the Open Era, imo...but this is just more fuel for that notion of context being so important).

So let's consider Roger's later career. By 2011, he had not one but two guys in their primes who were not only equally talented, but significantly younger. Between the two of them, they covered the entire spectrum of the tour. And by 2011, together were his equals or betters on every court (though I'd probably give Roger the edge over Novak on grass through 2012, and maybe Roger would keep the edge on fast hards a bit longer, but that's a quibble). While we could argue that Roger was still at or near peak form for at least a good portion of his 30s, he was still in his 30s - and more so, 5-6 years older than two equally skilled players.

Now let's imagine that a 4th guy came into the mix, one born in 1992 - and thus 5-6 years younger than Novak and Rafa. Just as good as the Big Three, but 5-6 years younger than Nadalkovic. Or better yet, imagine two such players emerging. These guys would have reached peak form sometime in the 2012-15 range and still close to peak form today, and provided huge roadblocks for the other three - but most especially Rafa and Novak (in terms of raw titles and Slam count). By the end of 2012, Roger had 17 Slams, Rafa 11, Novak 5. With two new, and younger, guys of similar ability starting to peak around then, there's no way those three get to 20+. Imagining two such players gives us a sense of the context of Roger's career, from 2012 on.

My point being, not only should we not fault Roger for eeking it out to get 18-20, we also need to put Rafa's and Novak's Slam totals in context. A large percentage of their Slams occurred during a time when neither of the next two generations (Lost Gen and Next Gen) produced any players who were even vaguely comparable, or even true All-Time Greats. The first such player that seems a surefire ATG was born in 2003 - 16 years after Novak! Meaning, we're possibly looking at a gap of fifteen years (1988-2002) without any all-time greats being born. Even if Sinner (2001) or FAA (2000) get there, we're still talking 12+ years. And even if Daniil Medvedev resurges and improbably wins 5 more Slams to claim his place among ATGs, we're talking about a pretty significant gap (1987 to 1996).

Of course it should also be said that part of the weakness of those generations is due to the greatness of the Big Three, especially Novak and Rafa. Their greatness and longevity was like a massive concrete wall that younger players couldn't get by. But not all of it, and maybe not even most of it. I don't see any player born from 1988-2002 that I would say would have definitely or even likely been an ATG if the Big Three weren't around, or even just declined at historically typical rates. It is reciprocal, and neither Rafa nor Novak ever had to deal with anything like Roger did: two equally talented players that were half a decade or more younger.

I am not arguing that Roger was greater than the other two. I am arguing that raw Slam totals only tell part of the picture, and that the context of the last decade has to be kept in mind. There's a valid argument to be made that Roger's Slam total was padded early on by some weak opposition, but if we're going to do that, we also have to look at the context of the last decade, the utter lack of new all-time great challengers for Rafa and Novak, that have in turn padded their totals - would argue at least as much as Roger's early Slams.

TLDR: It is a bit silly to argue that Roger "should have" retired at any given point, whether after 2012 or after 2017. He retired when he felt he no longer could compete at the level he wanted to, and there's no shame in the last decade of his career. As far as Slam totals are concerned, not only are they part (if a major part) of the overall statistical picture of any given player, but context is hugely important: in this case, the lack of not even a single truly great player born after Novak in 1987 for possibly as much as 16 years.
I think this is very interesting and we'll-thought out. As @Fiero says, it involves some "what ifs," but I take your point. Fair enough to take the Fedfan perspective. It also shows how we can all talk about the years and how they shook out. Who had what competition when. (You know I always point out that Rafa was sandwiched in between the two, which wasn't the most felicitous place to be. Of course, his resume looks more lopsided due to clay, because the other two specialize more HC and grass, which is the majority of the calendar. Also, he's lost more time to injury than the other two. And, as @Kieran used to like to point out, he's played it all with his "bad hand." :lulz1: So there will aways be ways to slice it differently.)

But I agree with your point to Fiero: Why wish for Roger to have quit sooner? Die young and leave a good-looking corpse? He left a decent looking carcass as it was. And Fedfans would have been deprived of the 2017 AO final, which I actually have a hard time begrudging you all, because you love it so much. And now with even Rafa listing it as one of their 2 most important matches. (Pretty decent parallel, actually. One was the passing of the torch, and the other was the two of them coming back to dominance.)

We will aways debate the 3. I don't even really see Novak getting away with a clear break-away, given Roger's age, Rafa's earlier start and injuries. (You say that they are 5-6 years younger than Roger, but Rafa, I think, is still two years separated from Novak in "tennis years," if you look at the matches played.) But a nice write-up. :good:
 
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Good Grief what a load of horse manure.. I miss @MargaretMcAleer already! Moxie.. how many days before she returns
I thought it was a good write up. But in terms of Margaret coming back, I don't know, but it would be one day shorter if you lived in Australia. ;)
 

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I appreciate everything you had to say and wrote in this "The Iliad," but it's full of "what if?!" All those suppositions of age, other comp. & maybes didn't happen!
Nice reference to "The Iliad." Made me LOL. And I made my point about the "what ifs" above.
Numbers are numbers; cold and hard! No one 100 years from now is going to be making up "outside possibilities" to justify a change in thinking when it comes to the GOAT race! Fed's the classiest and most graceful, while Rafa was the work-horse! In the end it won't matter if Novak overtakes them in every possible catagory! He's already there, just 1 major behind Rafa! All the other #'s belong to ND; wks @ #1, total wks. @ #1, YE #1's @ 7, 2 Double Golden Slams, 2 CGS's, & a Nole-Slam! Fedal don't really come close to those at this time in their careers! They're all about to exit the stage! We'll appreciate them, but like the "Highlander," "there can be only one!" :shushing-face: :face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-tears-of-joy::astonished-face:
What "2 double golden Slams?" He has no Golden Slam. He went for it last summer and missed both the Olympic Gold AND the USO, so no CYGS. He has hit each Major 2x, if that's what you mean. And so has Rafa. (Who does have the actual Golden Slam.) I don't know what you mean by "2 Double golden Slams, 2 CGS." He has the Nole Slam, though.
 

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I get that a lot! I try to back up my commentary with reasons and stats unlike most who just say "he's a bum or fake" and leaves it at that! Some here don't like fans questioning or bemoaning Rafa & his broken body & need to "not make a big deal" of his injuries! Novak's been one of the luckiest players who's held up pretty well for almost 20 years on the tour! He had a little problem with the elbow several years ago and now he's mentioned "his wrist!" Do they really want to get into a p!$$ing contest when it comes to whining about being hurt or not? After a while it gets annoying and I don't reference the Serb who's been the most resilient pro in memory! He's more likely to skip an event under duress than to flake out trying to withhold info about an injury that exists or doesn't! :fearful-face: :shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::face-with-tears-of-joy:
Novak actually has more in match retirements then Rafa :popcorn It's easy to talk trash about Rafa's injury problems when you admit your player has been one of the luckiest players around. Who knows what would have happened if Rafa didn't have as many injuries? Who knows what might have happened if Novak had chronic injury issues. In 2022 we have heard every day how hard done by Novax was for missing 2 slams due to personal health choices. But if a Rafa fan brings up Rafa has missed 10+ slams due to injury we get :shushing-face:
 

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Nice reference to "The Iliad." Made me LOL. And I made my point about the "what ifs" above.

What "2 double golden Slams?" He has no Golden Slam. He went for it last summer and missed both the Olympic Gold AND the USO, so no CYGS. He has hit each Major 2x, if that's what you mean. And so has Rafa. (Who does have the actual Golden Slam.) I don't know what you mean by "2 Double golden Slams, 2 CGS." He has the Nole Slam, though.

I was running out! Meant to reference Novak's "Double GOLDEN Masters!" That's something Fedal aren't even close to approaching once! :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

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I was running out! Meant to reference Novak's "Double GOLDEN Masters!" That's something Fedal aren't even close to approaching once! :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :face-with-tears-of-joy:
That's actually a nice box set, his "double masters," though I don't see what makes it "golden." Still, the Masters Series only came late to the party. There is no question that Novak has a nicely-rounded resume, but he did come by it, to some extent, because he peaked later than Roger and Rafa. He's a great all-around player, but he did get some bonus years.
 
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I think this is very interesting and we'll-thought out. As @Fiero says, it involves some "what ifs," but I take your point. Fair enough to take the Fedfan perspective. It also shows how we can all talk about the years and how they shook out. Who had what competition when. (You know I always point out that Rafa was sandwiched in between the two, which wasn't the most felicitous place to be. Of course, his resume looks more lopsided due to clay, because the other two specialize more HC and grass, which is the majority of the calendar. Also, he's lost more time to injury than the other two. And, as @Kieran used to like to point out, he's played it all with his "bad hand." :lulz1: So there will aways be ways to slice it differently.)

But I agree with your point to Fiero: Why wish for Roger to have quit sooner? Die young and leave a good-looking corpse? He left a decent looking carcass as it was. And Fedfans would have been deprived of the 2017 AO final, which I actually have a hard time begrudging you all, because you love it so much. And now with even Rafa listing it as one of their 2 most important matches. (Pretty decent parallel, actually. One was the passing of the torch, and the other was the two of them coming back to dominance.)

We will aways debate the 3. I don't even really see Novak getting away with a clear break-away, given Roger's age, Rafa's earlier start and injuries. (You say that they are 5-6 years younger than Roger, but Rafa, I think, is still two years separated from Novak in "tennis years," if you look at the matches played.) But a nice write-up. :good:
Thanks. If anything, I'm saying there doesn't really need to be a debate - except for those who feel they need to claim their guy as singular GOAT and/or those who feel there has to be a singular GOAT. I've already thrown my "gun to head" pick for Novak getting a pubic-hair's-edge, but it is only gun to head...a better answer is a more nuanced appreciation of their variations on greatness.

As for what you say about Rafa, I certainly agree. But that also furthers my point: that context matters. On one hand, a Slam W is a Slam W. That's how history records it. But with even a modicum of tennis knowledge, we know things like Slam-less Marcelo Rios was a better player than any number of one-Slam wonders, or that we can't just say that Jan Kodes and Andy Murray were equally great because they both won 3 Slams, and expect to be taken seriously. Was Andre Agassi as great as Jimmy Connors or Ivan Lendl, or greater than John McEnroe? And on and on we go.

What you say about Rafa also makes me think of what lies before Alcaraz. He's now arguably the best player on tour, at least among the younger players - having at least equalled the best of the previous generation, and surpassed the best of the one before - who are now on their way out (whither Milos?). But it makes me think in terms of Rafa in 2005, as Alcaraz's 2022 is equivalent in terms of both age and reaching Slam-winning form. In 2005, Roger's generation was in their prime, even though Roger had pushed everyone else aside. But it wasn't for another couple years until anyone younger than Rafa would win a big title - Novak in 2007, and then Andy joining him in 2008.

If history plays out in a similar fashion, we might not see Alcaraz's closest younger peers emerge until 2024 or 2025. I would expect guys like Sinner and FAA to win big titles well before then - probably next year, at least for Sinner who feels a bit past-due - but it just shows us how young Alcaraz is (and Rafa was in 2005). And who knows, Holger Rune might win a Masters next year (probably not, but who knows - maybe he has an epiphany while hunting trolls in Lappland).
 

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Thanks. If anything, I'm saying there doesn't really need to be a debate - except for those who feel they need to claim their guy as singular GOAT and/or those who feel there has to be a singular GOAT. I've already thrown my "gun to head" pick for Novak getting a pubic-hair's-edge, but it is only gun to head...a better answer is a more nuanced appreciation of their variations on greatness.

As for what you say about Rafa, I certainly agree. But that also furthers my point: that context matters. On one hand, a Slam W is a Slam W. That's how history records it. But with even a modicum of tennis knowledge, we know things like Slam-less Marcelo Rios was a better player than any number of one-Slam wonders, or that we can't just say that Jan Kodes and Andy Murray were equally great because they both won 3 Slams, and expect to be taken seriously. Was Andre Agassi as great as Jimmy Connors or Ivan Lendl, or greater than John McEnroe? And on and on we go.

What you say about Rafa also makes me think of what lies before Alcaraz. He's now arguably the best player on tour, at least among the younger players - having at least equalled the best of the previous generation, and surpassed the best of the one before - who are now on their way out (whither Milos?). But it makes me think in terms of Rafa in 2005, as Alcaraz's 2022 is equivalent in terms of both age and reaching Slam-winning form. In 2005, Roger's generation was in their prime, even though Roger had pushed everyone else aside. But it wasn't for another couple years until anyone younger than Rafa would win a big title - Novak in 2007, and then Andy joining him in 2008.

If history plays out in a similar fashion, we might not see Alcaraz's closest younger peers emerge until 2024 or 2025. I would expect guys like Sinner and FAA to win big titles well before then - probably next year, at least for Sinner who feels a bit past-due - but it just shows us how young Alcaraz is (and Rafa was in 2005). And who knows, Holger Rune might win a Masters next year (probably not, but who knows - maybe he has an epiphany while hunting trolls in Lappland).
I agree with you that we need to say we have a 3-headed GOAT, or GsOTE, because the nuances will always be there, for the times they lived in and played each other.

As to the future, we can look for patterns, but they don't tell us much. When Rafa and Novak quit or cease to dominate, which will come sooner rather than later, I suspect there will be a lot of players winning one Major, and not more. That's a guess. Medvedev has fallen off the radar, but he'll come back. I do expect that Alcaraz will mostly live up to expectations. He has JCF and a great support system, to add to his massive talent. It will be interesting to see how dominant he can be. But we have to remember back to a time when even winning 8 Majors was amazing. Let's see how the next era comes back to earth, or not.
 
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I agree with you that we need to say we have a 3-headed GOAT, or GsOTE, because the nuances will always be there, for the times they lived in and played each other.

As to the future, we can look for patterns, but they don't tell us much. When Rafa and Novak quit or cease to dominate, which will come sooner rather than later, I suspect there will be a lot of players winning one Major, and not more. That's a guess. Medvedev has fallen off the radar, but he'll come back. I do expect that Alcaraz will mostly live up to expectations. He has JCF and a great support system, to add to his massive talent. It will be interesting to see how dominant he can be. But we have to remember back to a time when even winning 8 Majors was amazing. Let's see how the next era comes back to earth, or not.
Yep. I also think we're going to see Alcaraz winning a bunch, maybe one or two other guys winning two or three, and then a handful of guys winning one Slam. We're also going to see a ton of different Masters winners, sort of like the 90s. We're actually already there. I mean, a year or two ago it seemed Fritz and Coric had fritzed out and would never win more than an ATP 500, not to mention Carreno Busta, Norrie, and a few years back, Fognini, Isner, and Sock.

I think there were some years during the 90s when eight or even nine different guys won Masters. Haven't double-checked, though.

I do think Medvedev will will bounce back, and I'm not writing Zverev or Tsitsipas off yet. They've got more big titles in them, and I still think both will win at least one Slam. While I think the window has probably closed, I do like the idea of one of LostGen doing a Goran Ivanisevic and coming out of nowhere and stealing a Slam. Grigor, do you have it in you? I mean, Milos has some similarities to Goran...I know, it is a long-shot.
 
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Too much meaningless blabbering. Yada yada yada, blablabla, its bs.
 

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Weaker, without a doubt. "Far" is up for debate, admittedly. Compare their clay records:

Novak: 2 GS, 11 Masters, 18 titles overall, 80.4W%
Roger: 1 GS, 6 Masters, 11 titles overall, 76.1 W%

Clearly Novak's record is better - twice as many GS titles, almost twice as many Masters and overall titles, and a better match win% on clay. Whether or not that entails being "far" better is a matter of opinion. You can hyperbolically be a dick about it, or you can make an actual argument ("use some brain") to support your view.
You are a simpleton, all these long winded crap and you just don’t get it. you talk context and tha‘s the one thing you lack.

Federer is far weaker than Novak on clay is what you said and you are talking just above stats as the sole evidence. You just cannot comprehend the problem here, can you? Donkey.

Think, why Pioline wasn’t an all time underachiever just because he made finals but didnt win one. Just think donkey.
 

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You are a simpleton, all these long winded crap and you just don’t get it. you talk context and tha‘s the one thing you lack.

Federer is far weaker than Novak on clay is what you said and you are talking just above stats as the sole evidence. You just cannot comprehend the problem here, can you? Donkey.

Think, why Pioline wasn’t an all time underachiever just because he made finals but didnt win one. Just think donkey.
I believe that @El Dude has offered for you to provide your own argument rather than just being insulting. Also, we have moved on to the nuances of the argument, which you seem to have missed. Pioline? Jeepers...you'd do better with Coria. Weren't we talking about the French?
 

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Yep. I also think we're going to see Alcaraz winning a bunch, maybe one or two other guys winning two or three, and then a handful of guys winning one Slam. We're also going to see a ton of different Masters winners, sort of like the 90s. We're actually already there. I mean, a year or two ago it seemed Fritz and Coric had fritzed out and would never win more than an ATP 500, not to mention Carreno Busta, Norrie, and a few years back, Fognini, Isner, and Sock.

I think there were some years during the 90s when eight or even nine different guys won Masters. Haven't double-checked, though.

I do think Medvedev will will bounce back, and I'm not writing Zverev or Tsitsipas off yet. They've got more big titles in them, and I still think both will win at least one Slam. While I think the window has probably closed, I do like the idea of one of LostGen doing a Goran Ivanisevic and coming out of nowhere and stealing a Slam. Grigor, do you have it in you? I mean, Milos has some similarities to Goran...I know, it is a long-shot.
Personally, I'd like to write off Tsitsipas and Zverev, because they have become so unlikeable, though I agree that each still has a decent chance of winning a Slam. I still see Medvedev winning say, 3?

What of Thiem? Is he done? I hope not.

You've mentioned Milos Raonic a couple of times lately. He seems even more random to me that Dimitrov or Nishikori, of the Lost Gen. I don't see any of those guys winning a Major.

But, yes, the Masters are up for grabs more in part because Rafa and Novak, (and when he was playing, Roger,) started to prioritize them less. But that's not going to change. Before we see a lot of different winners at Majors, we're going to see a lot of different winners at the Masters. Pablo Carreño Busta was one of my recent favorite new winners.
 
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Personally, I'd like to write off Tsitsipas and Zverev, because they have become so unlikeable, though I agree that each still has a decent chance of winning a Slam. I still see Medvedev winning say, 3?

What of Thiem? Is he done? I hope not.

You've mentioned Milos Raonic a couple of times lately. He seems even more random to me that Dimitrov or Nishikori, of the Lost Gen. I don't see any of those guys winning a Major.

But, yes, the Masters are up for grabs more in part because Rafa and Novak, (and when he was playing, Roger,) started to prioritize them less. But that's not going to change. Before we see a lot of different winners at Majors, we're going to see a lot of different winners at the Masters. Pablo Carreño Busta was one of my recent favorite new winners.
Doesn't seem prudent to write of the top of NEXT Gent Pegasus and Sasha Zverev or Thiem who really was part of the Lost Gen.. Unlike Rudd, those three have won, had match point and was up two sets to none in a Finals. Tiafoe's victory of King Rafa meant almost everyone left had an opportunity to win. Carlos probably is the most mentally prepared player outside of the big 3 presently but there's going to multiple first time GS s champion including FAA over the next 3 years.. The days of players winning more than 8 GSs are OVER. Look at the history of tennis, the last non big 3 or Sampras to win over 7 was Agassi.
 

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I was running out! Meant to reference Novak's "Double GOLDEN Masters!" That's something Fedal aren't even close to approaching once! :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :face-with-tears-of-joy:

But no decimas... :yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth::pleading-face: Sorry but Nadal having multiple decimas 14 FO, 12 Barcelona, 11 Monte Carlo and 10 Rome is the ultimate achievement and the one record that will never be broken... True excellence, a GOD MODE level that Pushovic can only dream of. :clap::bye:
 

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Personally, I'd like to write off Tsitsipas and Zverev, because they have become so unlikeable, though I agree that each still has a decent chance of winning a Slam.
I’m here to write them off. :bye:

Kaput. Gone. Busted. Lightweight. Childish. Not up to the task. Now I can sympathise a lot with Zverev because I think his injury might affect him for a long while, and he was Trojan against Rafa in Paris, but himself and Tsitsipas are just not that player. Unless they snuck an Andres Gomes slam out of somewhere.

Thiem is unfortunately taking too long to get back to himself, and this is a huge loss. He’s like Murray since 2016. Medvedev is very sensitive, as we saw in Australia. He likes to be liked, and he’s struggled since that match, but he’s also strong too, strong enough to be back and competing for the big titles. I think we’ve seen lads like Ruud before, and they’re unlikely slam winners.

Next year will be the final year for Rafa, I think, at that level, and Novak too. It’s a great opportunity for Carlos but we still have to see how he’ll handle his change in circumstances. He’d certainly be a unique boy-king if he went up a further notch and dominated 2023…
 
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