Wimbledon Day 6: Saturday, June 28 - Order of Play

[Front242]

From the replay he fell on his elbow and first grasped his elbow. Kinda strange citing it shoulder related. Glad he's fine anyway.

I thought he hammed it up a bit..maybe watching to much world cup on tv with all those "injured" players rolling around the floor. :violins:lot:devil

I did not see the incident. So, take this phor what it's worth (not much)...You CAN jam your shoulder by phalling on your elbow. Been there and done that.

Phair enough, I'll take that phor what it's worth Btw, that must have been phairly phucking sore

 

[pavlik89]

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[brokenshoelace]

Don't forget how good a serve Nishikori has too when he's playing well.

Exactly. And better movement than Raonic.

Much better movement. But a much weaker serve (though still a very good serve). It's the kind of match that if Nadal finds his rhythm, he'll be fine. Nishikori takes the ball early but he still has to play a high risk game. Nadal is still a pretty bad match-up for him.

 

[brokenshoelace]

you guys are overrating nishikori........I take a QF match on any slam before Raonic.

You obviously missed the Madrid final. He was destroying Nadal till his hip got injured. Granted fitness is his main obstacle but the only overrating comes with his fitness and nothing more.

You obviously missed Nadal's level in the Madrid final...

 

[Front242]

you guys are overrating nishikori........I take a QF match on any slam before Raonic.

You obviously missed the Madrid final. He was destroying Nadal till his hip got injured. Granted fitness is his main obstacle but the only overrating comes with his fitness and nothing more.

You obviously missed Nadal's level in the Madrid final...

And Nishikori had nothing to do with that I guess ? Come on, man. You're normally more rational than that! Nadal wasn't even great in the final of RG!

 

[pavlik89]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKiftgFPaJA[/video]

 

[brokenshoelace]

you guys are overrating nishikori........I take a QF match on any slam before Raonic.

You obviously missed the Madrid final. He was destroying Nadal till his hip got injured. Granted fitness is his main obstacle but the only overrating comes with his fitness and nothing more.

You obviously missed Nadal's level in the Madrid final...

And Nishikori had nothing to do with that I guess ? Come on, man. You're normally more rational than that! Nadal wasn't even great in the final of RG!

Nothing? No. As much as you claim he does? Nonsense. Sorry, but leading up to that match, I'd watched Nadal get whipped by his whipping boys on clay, struggle with everyone and anyone, and play as bad as I've ever seen him on the surface. He didn't play well at the FO final? Well, that kinda proves my point doesn't it? Or did he not play well at the FO final due to Djokovic? Which would be kinda weird considering you think Djokovic played like crap.

Nadal on clay, is an absolutely dreadful match-up for Nishikori.

 

[Front242]

^ I didn't think either Djokovic or Nadal played a particularly good final, no, but the better of the two won as is usually the case in matches. Nadal should be a dreadful match up on clay for Nishikori in theory but his strategy was bang on that match and he was giving him zero rhythm and constantly on the attack, totally aggressive game plan. Nadal was practically always on the back foot the whole match. He was bad against Ferrer and Almagro but he definitely played a better tournament in Madrid and just happened to stumble upon a red hot player imo.

 

[Front242]

Not much you can do when your opponent is playing in GOD mode blasting winners everywhere. Happens to them all.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Not much you can do when your opponent is playing in GOD mode blasting winners everywhere. Happens to them all.

There's a reason that's never happened to Nadal on clay. The closest that came to materializing was Soderling at RG 2009, and even that ended in a fourth set tie break in which Nadal twice blew a break lead in the fourth.

The only other guy who's come close to doing that was Djokovic, but he did it by playing with a different strategy, one Nishikor can't replicate for obvious reasons (read: size).

 

[Front242]

Not much you can do when your opponent is playing in GOD mode blasting winners everywhere. Happens to them all.

There's a reason that's never happened to Nadal on clay. The closest that came to materializing was Soderling at RG 2009, and even that ended in a fourth set tie break in which Nadal twice blew a break lead in the fourth.

The only other guy who's come close to doing that was Djokovic, but he did it by playing with a different strategy, one Nishikor can't replicate for obvious reasons (read: size).

He might be small and frail looking but have you seen how hard he can serve and how hard he hits the ball? All about technique at the end of the day. Sure Fed's got arms like twigs but look at the force behind some of his shots! Especially in his prime his forehand was deadly. Even David Goffin can at times hit the ball pretty hard. Novak's hardly big either, he's like a bean pole but yet it's his technique that works opponents left, right all over the court rather than brute force but equally so he can hit pretty hard when he wants to. Look at the speed of the forehand match point down against Fed at the US Open.

 

[Front242]

I mean, to go by size, I was watching Lisicki's match today and believe me, many of her serves are harder than Rafa's but I'm pretty sure he's the stronger of the two. Obviously she hits it flatter and goes for more brute force whereas he goes for spin and placement more but she hits it pretty damn hard. As hard as Serena Williams, a lot better than her serving today anyway.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Not much you can do when your opponent is playing in GOD mode blasting winners everywhere. Happens to them all.

There's a reason that's never happened to Nadal on clay. The closest that came to materializing was Soderling at RG 2009, and even that ended in a fourth set tie break in which Nadal twice blew a break lead in the fourth.

The only other guy who's come close to doing that was Djokovic, but he did it by playing with a different strategy, one Nishikor can't replicate for obvious reasons (read: size).

He might be small and frail looking but have you seen how hard he can serve and how hard he hits the ball? All about technique at the end of the day. Sure Fed's got arms like twigs but look at the force behind some of his shots! Especially in his prime his forehand was deadly. Even David Goffin can at times hit the ball pretty hard. Novak's hardly big either, he's like a bean pole but yet it's his technique that works opponents left, right all over the court rather than brute force but equally so he can hit pretty hard when he wants to. Look at the speed of the forehand match point down against Fed at the US Open.

There's a lot wrong with that. We're talking about clay here. Novak is not "hardly big" at all. He's not huge or anything, but he's a tall man. Nadal's spin bounces into his comfort zone. On clay, that's not the case against Nishikori.

 

[Front242]

^ If you give your opponent no rhythm as did he did in Madrid all you're left with is him hopelessly moonballing defensive balls back the whole time though so those are a doddle for anyone to swat away as he did. Nishikori's big serves at Madrid got a lot of short ball returns same as Soderling in RG '09 and the next shot was then just an easy put away. Now if he served badly and Nadal was dictating play of course he'd be more able to hit big topspin loopy forehands and then yes of course the height factor would come into play but he didn't get the chance as Nishikori served so well and got so many short ball returns. Even if they weren't aces they got the desired follow up easy ball.

But also on that note, Ferrer is actually an inch smaller than Nishikori and it's not really his height that loses matches on clay against Nadal, more that Nadal is simply better than him at everything most of the time. Ferrer, however, doesn't get hammered in the corner on his backhand side like Federer 'cos he uses two handed bh like Nishikori.

 

[Iona16]

I have to say I love the tradition of Wimbledon BUT not playing on Sunday when they have matches to complete is ridiculous. Only half the draw will play their fourth-round matches on Monday, with Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic scheduled to play. Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal will both play their fourth-round matches on Tuesday and return on Wednesday for the quarterfinals.

Feliciano Lopez v John Isner and Stanislas Wawrinka v Istomin were two of the matches that were cancelled. What is the point of a centre court with lights and a roof and able to host play until 11pm? The decision not to schedule play on the middle Sunday is very, very unfair to these players.

 

[Front242]

I have to say I love the tradition of Wimbledon BUT not playing on Sunday when they have matches to complete is ridiculous. Only half the draw will play their fourth-round matches on Monday, with Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic scheduled to play. Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal will both play their fourth-round matches on Tuesday and return on Wednesday for the quarterfinals.

Players like Wawrinka and Isner didn't even get to start their matches today. Very, very unfair.

Yup. Totally agree. Makes no sense at all.

 

[Front242]

Not playing till 11 indoors every night with the roof is also a complete joke if it's raining, plus it'd be nice to see more matches.

 

[Backhand_DTL]

From the replay he fell on his elbow and first grasped his elbow. Kinda strange citing it shoulder related. Glad he's fine anyway.

I thought he hammed it up a bit..maybe watching to much world cup on tv with all those "injured" players rolling around the floor. :violins:lot:devil

I did not see the incident. So, take this phor what it's worth (not much)...You CAN jam your shoulder by phalling on your elbow. Been there and done that.

Phair enough, I'll take that phor what it's worth Btw, that must have been phairly phucking sore

To me it looked like he didn't twist the shoulder because of the fall itself, but some movement he made with his left arm to soften the fall. I think in the slowmotion you could see he suddenly felt a sharp pain and let the racket drop at a moment where he didn't hit the ground with the left side of the body.

 

[Front242]

^ Either way just glad he's ok but Kukushkin's fall today looked worse. Very nearly hyper extended his knee which was already strapped.

 

[TsarMatt]

Nick, you bloody legend! First Wimbledon ever and you make the 4th round? Well done, mate. I'm so excited for this guy. A young Australian who cares about the sport, unlike Bernard.