Wimbledon Day 6: Saturday, June 28 - Order of Play

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I'm a fan of Serena alright yeah. She was atrocious yesterday and at all the slams this year though. So passive, timidly hitting balls with no bite, tons of backhand errors and serving like crap. A shambles. No idea what the hell is up. I mean I can sense the huge added pressure of trying to tie Navratilova and Evert for 18 slams but she can surely play a lot better than she has at all the slams this year. Terrible. that said, credit to Cornet obviously but she sure got a lot of help which Cornet acknowledged herself.
 

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huntingyou said:
front trolling as always. can't even praise an amazing shot by rafa without getting some type of contradictory reply.

it's not about who hits harder........BS explained it very well. What Nadal does to run around the backhand outside the doubles alley, throw his body in opposite direction of the ball, twist his body and still scream a 100 MPH IO forehand it's something UNIQUE to Rafa.

geez

Hey clown face when did I ever say it wasn't a great shot? I merely posted other great forehands. In your own words....geez! On that note, when did you praise any of the ones I posted so touché?!
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
Front242 said:
Neither of them got **** on this guy though [video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R-eltQDerPc[/video]

Well yeah, in terms of power, Blake and especially Fernando Gonzalez are in a league of their own. But, at the risk of sounding like a fanboy, Huntingyou is right. That forehand is one only Nadal can hit (quite literally). Because the footwork required to run around it, couple with the balance and coordination to hit an inside out screaming from such an unnatural position with your body almost twisted sideways is insane. Most players, Federer included, wouldn't have even bothered to run around it. The video you posted shows Federer hitting a forehand that wasn't nearly as difficult.

I've always said Federer has a better forehand than Nadal, but for the purpose of that particular type of shot (the one HY posted a video of), I've honestly never seen hit inside out forehands from that sort of position with the same frequency as Nadal.

This kinda ties into what I've been saying about his movement. There's nothing that regressed about it in terms of splitsteps, footwork, getting into position to hit forehands, make tiny adjustments, etc... In fact, there's not much that's regressed (it has, but nothing substantial) about it when sprinting from point A to point B (tracking down drop shots, covering the open court, etc....). Where it has regressed is the explosiveness in that initial step when he doesn't have the benefit of anticipating. In other words, if Nadal is on one side of the court and the opponent is about to hit to the open court, Nadal's movement isn't noticeably hindered since he can still sprint like a rabbit.

But when he's forced to stretch on his forehand side (and he doesn't know the ball is going there) despite being positioned in the middle of the court, and he requires that initial explosion in his step to get to the ball in time to hit a quality shot, he's a split second slow these days. Hence a lot of his replies end up in the bottom of the net whereas in the past, he would at least loop them back in. That's also the reason why his passing shots have regressed (he used to almost never miss one).

On the backhand side, the real problem is bending down low (which again affects the quality of the passing shot).

Regardless, I actually think he looked better than I thought he would in this first week and he's moving well. If he steps up the serving he'll be fine.


In a nutshell, you are saying no top player has ever tried so hard to hide their weak backhand?:snigger


;)
 

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Front242 said:
I'm a fan of Serena alright yeah. She was atrocious yesterday and at all the slams this year though. So passive, timidly hitting balls with no bite, tons of backhand errors and serving like crap. A shambles. No idea what the hell is up. I mean I can sense the huge added pressure of trying to tie Navratilova and Evert for 18 slams but she can surely play a lot better than she has at all the slams this year. Terrible. that said, credit to Cornet obviously but she sure got a lot of help which Cornet acknowledged herself.

Agreed
 

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Cornet seems to be getting in her head a lot now too. Beat her at Dubai earlier this year and I made a point on the WTA forum that women's matches being best of 3 everywhere means it's really not any more of a task beating the top players at a slam than at normal events. That's the complete opposite of the ATP where it's far tougher to beat the top guys in best of 5 than it is in best of 3.
 

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the AntiPusher said:
Question: Are most Rafa fans also fans of Serena? Are most Fed Fans also fans of Serena ? I think so. Serena is the one thing that those two fan groups have in common. That being said, I really don't know what is going on with Serena's tennis game these days. :mad:

Never liked her...always root for her opponent. It is not her game. I always appreciate good tennis. It is the accumulation of tens of incidents on the court and tens of pressers where her smugness and her lack of ability to accept she can lose from time to time and should give credit where its due. She failed in that regard so many times. :nono
 

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Front242 said:
Cornet seems to be getting in her head a lot now too. Beat her at Dubai earlier this year and I made a point on the WTA forum that women's matches being best of 3 everywhere means it's really not any more of a task beating the top players at a slam than at normal events. That's the complete opposite of the ATP where it's far tougher to beat the top guys in best of 5 than it is in best of 3.

That's very true Front.. Also, I apologize to the moderators, I should have posted this on the WTA forum but I stopped posting over that forum I guess truthfully speaking because one of my favorite posters is no longer on that forum. Its just My personal issues and nothing against the moderators of this board.
 

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1972Murat said:
the AntiPusher said:
Question: Are most Rafa fans also fans of Serena? Are most Fed Fans also fans of Serena ? I think so. Serena is the one thing that those two fan groups have in common. That being said, I really don't know what is going on with Serena's tennis game these days. :mad:

Never liked her...always root for her opponent. It is not her game. I always appreciate good tennis. It is the accumulation of tens of incidents on the court and tens of pressers where her smugness and her lack of ability to accept she can lose from time to time and should give credit where its due. She failed in that regard so many times. :nono

Never really noticed much of a pattern personally. I'm not heavily invested in any WTA player but follow Dominika Cibulkova, Masha, Ana and Aga more than most and roughly in that order.
 

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^ I like all of those WTA players except Sharapova who I utterly despise actually. Maybe you noticed :D But I did make quite a few posts earlier regarding how she's changed over the years and was a nice girl imo around 2004 and had none of her trademarks people strenuously dislike her for now. Back then she didn't scream at the top of her lungs, no horrible stares down the court at opponents and no stalling between points. All the games(wo)manship started later in her career as she knows she needs an edge to beat them now and hence all those adopted tactics. I had zero issues with her earlier in her career as she did none of those at all. Now though she blatantly uses every means at her disposal to disrupt her opponent's rhythm and concentration to the point it's beyond ridiculous and hence why so many people dislike her so much.
 

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So Roger gets Mr. Robredo in round 4. It better be a massacre the right way this time!
 

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britbox said:
1972Murat said:
the AntiPusher said:
Question: Are most Rafa fans also fans of Serena? Are most Fed Fans also fans of Serena ? I think so. Serena is the one thing that those two fan groups have in common. That being said, I really don't know what is going on with Serena's tennis game these days. :mad:

Never liked her...always root for her opponent. It is not her game. I always appreciate good tennis. It is the accumulation of tens of incidents on the court and tens of pressers where her smugness and her lack of ability to accept she can lose from time to time and should give credit where its due. She failed in that regard so many times. :nono

Never really noticed much of a pattern personally. I'm not heavily invested in any WTA player but follow Dominika Cibulkova, Masha, Ana and Aga more than most and roughly in that order.

Good call, I think I know what makes you a (slight) fan of those players :clap Eugenie has climbed my list of ladies to follow. The sight of Eugenie is healthy for the ...
 

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DarthFed said:
So Roger gets Mr. Robredo in round 4. It better be a massacre the right way this time!

Hopefully but Robredo's got a great return of serve. Clearly he does or else JJ was serving like Errani yesterday. Robredo's own serve is nothing special so even Fed's crap ROS these days should be ok against him. Hopefully he serves like he did against Müller. Not expecting 25 aces though to be honest. But that was some serving display that day!
 

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Yeah I like Bouchard too. Basically any good looking chick who doesn't scream/screech is fine by me :cool: Lisicki v Ivanovic is nice eye candy and better still, practically zero noise out of them and yet still they belt the ball like no tomorrow.
 

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Front242 said:
Yeah I like Bouchard too. Basically any good looking chick who doesn't scream/screech is fine by me :cool: Lisicki v Ivanovic is nice eye candy and better still, practically zero noise out of them and yet still they belt the ball like no tomorrow.
Bouchard is a refreshing addition to the WTA. And she has a great game too.
 

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Yup. Definitely a future multiple slam champion I reckon. Needs to work on her serve consistency a lot though. Tends to break and lose serve straight away. To be fair it's a trend many players suffer from though. Cibulkova's the same too.
 

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Front242==I think you need to watch some old Sharapova video if you think she started many of the habits you cited only in later years. :) She shrieked back then as well (I don't have a decibel meter to measure any change in volume over the years), and used to walk to the back of the court
between many serves to "reset"/refocus. She also had (and still has) a very deliberate ritual between serves, but instead of picking her butt (like someone else lol) she pushed her hair behind each ear sequentially. And the "stare down" at her opponents is done by MANY WTA players, the most famous of which is the current #1.
 

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lacatch said:
Front242==I think you need to watch some old Sharapova video if you think she started many of the habits you cited only in later years. :) She shrieked back then as well (I don't have a decibel meter to measure any change in volume over the years), and used to walk to the back of the court
between many serves to "reset"/refocus. She also had (and still has) a very deliberate ritual between serves, but instead of picking her butt (like someone else lol) she pushed her hair behind each ear sequentially. And the "stare down" at her opponents is done by MANY WTA players, the most famous of which is the current #1.

True Serena does stare too but not every point and not as horribly nasty looking as Sharapova. Watch the Wimbledon 2004 final and she's actually not too loud at all.
 

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The walking to the back of the court is annoying as hell alright but she does it for longer these days and frequently abuses the time but again, it wasn't half as bad when she started playing first.