Will Serena reach 18 Slams? More?

[rugged]

She will break the record. Serena is so mentally strong and such an incredible athlete, age will not be the factor, as so many think. I think people who are average athletes can't quite understand what she is capable of.

 

[RJD11]

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You mean like this? You're deluding yourself if you believe that! Venus has always had problems with her serve and if she were that great, she wouldn't be upset so often by absolute "nobodies" again and again over the years; esp. on clay! Years ago before anyone knew about her illness, she played a Latin tour of matches against girls ranked #200+ and #300+ and struggled all the way! Her unforced errors have always been her downfall and at times that precious serve has totally deserted her along with an erratic forehand! Feel for her if you like, let's just not have revisionist history! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

C'mon Fiero! You know many of those losses were from the illness

From what I've read it has been affecting her for at least 7 or 8

years.

 

[RJD11]

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

Yes, Venus does have that bad habit. She has been quite

successful in spite of it. I have been wishing for years that she

work on fixing that. She would probably have a lot more titles

if she did.

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You are right Si Si, sometimes. But sometimes the previous posts

are essential to the context of the discussion.

And in some discussions posters will isolate a part of

the post to deflect from the main point conveyed.

 

[Fiero425]

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You mean like this? You're deluding yourself if you believe that! Venus has always had problems with her serve and if she were that great, she wouldn't be upset so often by absolute "nobodies" again and again over the years; esp. on clay! Years ago before anyone knew about her illness, she played a Latin tour of matches against girls ranked #200+ and #300+ and struggled all the way! Her unforced errors have always been her downfall and at times that precious serve has totally deserted her along with an erratic forehand! Feel for her if you like, let's just not have revisionist history! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

C'mon Fiero! You know many of those losses were from the illness

From what I've read it has been affecting her for at least 7 or 8

years.

If you believe that, she should quit and stop taking up a spot from someone more deserving! You can have sympathy for her and at the same time "check her" when she's being selfish! She has too many options in this world to be acting like that for these last few years! What does she expect; players to lay down to allow her a major title? I don't think so! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

 

[tented]

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You mean like this? You're deluding yourself if you believe that! Venus has always had problems with her serve and if she were that great, she wouldn't be upset so often by absolute "nobodies" again and again over the years; esp. on clay! Years ago before anyone knew about her illness, she played a Latin tour of matches against girls ranked #200+ and #300+ and struggled all the way! Her unforced errors have always been her downfall and at times that precious serve has totally deserted her along with an erratic forehand! Feel for her if you like, let's just not have revisionist history! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

C'mon Fiero! You know many of those losses were from the illness

From what I've read it has been affecting her for at least 7 or 8

years.

If you believe that, she should quit and stop taking up a spot from someone more deserving! You can have sympathy for her and at the same time "check her" when she's being selfish! She has too many options in this world to be acting like that for these last few years! What does she expect; players to lay down to allow her a major title? I don't think so! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

If there were someone more deserving, she would already be there. The idea that a player should quit and make room for another isn't at all the way it works. There isn't a finite number of players, and a new one can't join the WTA until another one quits.

The concept of "selfishness" isn't a factor, either. Playing tennis isn't being selfish.

And, no, she -- of all people -- isn't expecting "players to lay down to allow her a major title." That's missing the point entirely.

 

[Fiero425]

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You mean like this? You're deluding yourself if you believe that! Venus has always had problems with her serve and if she were that great, she wouldn't be upset so often by absolute "nobodies" again and again over the years; esp. on clay! Years ago before anyone knew about her illness, she played a Latin tour of matches against girls ranked #200+ and #300+ and struggled all the way! Her unforced errors have always been her downfall and at times that precious serve has totally deserted her along with an erratic forehand! Feel for her if you like, let's just not have revisionist history! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

C'mon Fiero! You know many of those losses were from the illness

From what I've read it has been affecting her for at least 7 or 8

years.

If you believe that, she should quit and stop taking up a spot from someone more deserving! You can have sympathy for her and at the same time "check her" when she's being selfish! She has too many options in this world to be acting like that for these last few years! What does she expect; players to lay down to allow her a major title? I don't think so! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

If there were someone more deserving, she would already be there. The idea that a player should quit and make room for another isn't at all the way it works. There isn't a finite number of players, and a new one can't join the WTA until another one quits.

The concept of "selfishness" isn't a factor, either. Playing tennis isn't being selfish.

And, no, she -- of all people -- isn't expecting "players to lay down to allow her a major title." That's missing the point entirely.

The selfishness comes into play when she gets "wildcards" for one thing! She is taking someone else's spot; then going nowhere when and if she loses early! Call me cold, but those are the facts! :nono :angel:

 

[Kieran]

Venus hasn't won a major off grass since 2001 or 2002. It isn't her recent illness that's stopping her from winning majors, she just hasn't been a factor for years. Serena is more of a tough cookie than her sister, and always has been. I've been disappointed with Venus everywhere but Wimbledon for a long time now - and even there she stopped making an impact before she was ill.

I prefer her to Serena, but she found her level years ago...

 

[Kieran]

I also don't think that Serena is yet up there with Martina or Steffi. All those powder puff shrinking violets she takes slams off, the screeching Sharapova and whoever else is out there, the WTA is a mess. Serena is an all-time great, no question about that, but I think she's playing in a lousy era for women's tennis...

 

[Fiero425]

I also don't think that Serena is yet up there with Martina or Steffi. All those powder puff shrinking violets she takes slams off, the screeching Sharapova and whoever else is out there, the WTA is a mess. Serena is an all-time great, no question about that, but I think she's playing in a lousy era for women's tennis...

If a player can come and go at will and still win majors, you know the WTA is ratchet! :clap :nono :angel:

 

[tented]

If you believe that, she should quit and stop taking up a spot from someone more deserving! You can have sympathy for her and at the same time "check her" when she's being selfish! She has too many options in this world to be acting like that for these last few years! What does she expect; players to lay down to allow her a major title? I don't think so! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

If there were someone more deserving, she would already be there. The idea that a player should quit and make room for another isn't at all the way it works. There isn't a finite number of players, and a new one can't join the WTA until another one quits.

The concept of "selfishness" isn't a factor, either. Playing tennis isn't being selfish.

And, no, she -- of all people -- isn't expecting "players to lay down to allow her a major title." That's missing the point entirely.

The selfishness comes into play when she gets "wildcards" for one thing! She is taking someone else's spot; then going nowhere when and if she loses early! Call me cold, but those are the facts! :nono :angel:

If she receives a wildcard, that's because it was offered to her, not because she took it, thus taking someone else's spot. Again, it's not her being selfish. If you have a problem with a particular tournament giving her a wildcard, then your problem lies with them, not Venus. Big difference.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

She will break the record. Serena is so mentally strong and such an incredible athlete, age will not be the factor, as so many think. I think people who are average athletes can't quite understand what she is capable of.

As good as she was last year, something is missing this year.
0-3 in slams, she will have another chance in 2014
I will revive this thread then.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

She will break the record. Serena is so mentally strong and such an incredible athlete, age will not be the factor, as so many think. I think people who are average athletes can't quite understand what she is capable of.

As good as she was last year, something is missing this year.
0-3 in slams, she will have another chance in 2014
I will revive this thread then.

Her serve has been MIA most of the year, and I am not sure she has been as dedicated to her fitness this year like she had been the two previous years. I think she recognized that need in losing the 12 pounds after the French. Maintaining fitness is crucial to maintaining her ability to compete at her age.

 

[Front242]

12lbs wasn't enough imo. Her legs are carrying far too much weight still. It's no coincidence the slender, fitter, faster girls are the ones beating her rather than the bulkier ones like Stosur, Kerber, etc.

 

[Fiero425]

12lbs wasn't enough imo. Her legs are carrying far too much weight still. It's no coincidence the slender, fitter, faster girls are the ones beating her rather than the bulkier ones like Stosur, Kerber, etc.

After all this talk about Venus and Serena's dominating serves; where is this all coming from all of sudden? Maybe the losing is making their fans come around to our way of thinking! Coming and going as you please, being out of shape, and most of all getting old is taking it's toll; finally! :nono :angel:

 

[Si Si Simona]

I still believe in a Serena come back. She just needs to get her act together and start playing seriously again. Not grand slams but every tournament she can find to get her level back by playing real matches. Not just training.

 

[Front242]

Well Serena sure looked fitter than at RG, but it's mostly upper body weight loss as her quads are carrying way too much weight still and not all muscle either clearly. I'd like to see her lose some more weight on her legs to improve her speed but she was actually still getting to balls fine yesterday. She just played crap.

 

[Si Si Simona]

^ Exactly so. She was getting to the balls but wasnt doing anything with them. Her tennis itself was bad.

 

[Fiero425]

I still believe in a Serena come back. She just needs to get her act together and start playing seriously again. Not grand slams but every tournament she can find to get her level back by playing real matches. Not just training.

I thought her problem was overplaying last year; more tournaments than in her entire career! She won, but it had to take a toll in desire mentally as well as the physical side of it! Like Federer, she should have scaled back gradually instead of trying to catch up and do something in the way of formulating a legacy! She should have passed both Chris and Martina in majors years ago; all on her playing part time! The competition's been weak for years with her real rival retired years ago in Henin! She's losing to players who've won nothing and it's beginning to get embarrassing for all concerned; family and friends alike!

 

[Si Si Simona]

^ And I think that she just lost desire and focus this year. She had a lot of free time to relax and refresh her self. She needs to get more serious and the results will come. She "trashed" a wedding party not a long while ago
Maybe if she was training more instead of enjoying Miami then she would be more prepared for Wimby.
Imo she needs to just play matches and get fit even more. It depends on where her head is now.

 

[RJD11]

I still believe in a Serena come back. She just needs to get her act together and start playing seriously again. Not grand slams but every tournament she can find to get her level back by playing real matches. Not just training.

I thought her problem was overplaying last year; more tournaments than in her entire career! She won, but it had to take a toll in desire mentally as well as the physical side of it! Like Federer, she should have scaled back gradually instead of trying to catch up and do something in the way of formulating a legacy! She should have passed both Chris and Martina in majors years ago; all on her playing part time! The competition's been weak for years with her real rival retired years ago in Henin! She's losing to players who've won nothing and it's beginning to get embarrassing for all concerned; family and friends alike!

Fiero, I find myself agreeing with SOME of what you say.

But I also agree with what Darrin Cahill said. The pressure of getting

No 18 and playing for history has gotten her to the point of not

playing to win like she has done for 15 years to now playing

not to lose...... makes a big difference in her game.