Will Serena reach 18 Slams? More?

[tented]

She absolutely gets 20 slams There are only 3 left to make it 20 and I believe she can nail Wimbledon and US Open this year.

Hi, Markus, welcome to Tennis Frontier!

I think Serena will at least get to 18, but I'm not sure beyond that. She hasn't been as dominant at Majors this year as I thought she would be.

As for Wimbledon, I still consider her the favorite, but I'm a little less certain now after these (relatively speaking) random losses at RG, the AO, and even Wimbledon last year. That serve, though ... such a weapon on the grass.

Tented, Got a question for you.

My question is this:

How are you supposed to get motivated against low ranked players

that have no business on the court with you? That's what happens

at the beginning of a tourney. Its not easy to get up for these matches

considering Serena's accomplishments. This is old hat for her. She can come

out stale. It is to be expected. It is not an indictment against her when

these matches happen. Ree is playing only for history now and that is not

an easy thing to do. It is daunting to face history when your are used to

soaring with eagles and have to face a " Robin "

That's a really good question, RJD. And have you ever noticed that when someone begins their response with "good question" the answer is always inferior?

I will say this: the AO loss to Stephens has an asterisk, since Serena was not even close to 100%. (I don't remember if she was injured last year at Wimbledon when she lost to Lisicki?)

She is having slightly more difficulty (relative to her immense talent, I mean) playing herself into GS tournament, unlike several years ago. I think this is a natural consequence of aging. Her stunning 2007 Australian Open -- the epitome of playing into form -- is the kind of thing which most likely isn't going to happen again at a GS.

She's definitely more vulnerable in the early rounds than she used to be. How much of this can be blamed on a lower level of inspiration is an unknown, as I see it, but it's definitely a factor. At the same time, I also think nerves is a factor. The expectation of success and the pressure of playing for history can't help the situation, either.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

^much better answer than mine!

 

[RJD11]

She absolutely gets 20 slams There are only 3 left to make it 20 and I believe she can nail Wimbledon and US Open this year.

Hi, Markus, welcome to Tennis Frontier!

I think Serena will at least get to 18, but I'm not sure beyond that. She hasn't been as dominant at Majors this year as I thought she would be.

As for Wimbledon, I still consider her the favorite, but I'm a little less certain now after these (relatively speaking) random losses at RG, the AO, and even Wimbledon last year. That serve, though ... such a weapon on the grass.

Tented, Got a question for you.

My question is this:

How are you supposed to get motivated against low ranked players

that have no business on the court with you? That's what happens

at the beginning of a tourney. Its not easy to get up for these matches

considering Serena's accomplishments. This is old hat for her. She can come

out stale. It is to be expected. It is not an indictment against her when

these matches happen. Ree is playing only for history now and that is not

an easy thing to do. It is daunting to face history when your are used to

soaring with eagles and have to face a " Robin "

That's a really good question, RJD. And have you ever noticed that when someone begins their response with "good question" the answer is always inferior?

I will say this: the AO loss to Stephens has an asterisk, since Serena was not even close to 100%. (I don't remember if she was injured last year at Wimbledon when she lost to Lisicki?)

She is having slightly more difficulty (relative to her immense talent, I mean) playing herself into GS tournament, unlike several years ago. I think this is a natural consequence of aging. Her stunning 2007 Australian Open -- the epitome of playing into form -- is the kind of thing which most likely isn't going to happen again at a GS.

She's definitely more vulnerable in the early rounds than she used to be. How much of this can be blamed on a lower level of inspiration is an unknown, as I see it, but it's definitely a factor. At the same time, I also think nerves is a factor. The expectation of success and the pressure of playing for history can't help the situation, either.

Good answer Tented ( Pun not necessarily intended )

But yes, She was injured in the first round and injured the back

later before the match with Sloane. Two injuries. Thats why the

loss to Sloane IMO was irrelevant ( tho Sloane didn't think so )

Also the loss to Makarova, Lisicki, etc because of her response

after them. She went on a tear and dominated.

However the loss to Mug was different. Never seen her lose that

way before. I have been worried about the age thing catching up

with her as you intimated. Sooner or later it will happen. But for the

last 2 years Serena has done her real damage after or during Wimby.

And what will happen the next time she plays Mug ( I think Mug will

be in her draw at Wimb, randomly, of course ) So a more definitive

opinion can only be made at Wimb and after. I think it's more mental

than physical. But maybe the proof will be how she plays after Wimb.

She lost to Sabine @ Wimb and then won USO and YEC and nearly

everything in between. We will see.

I also agree with your last sentence. I think that's a big part

of her problem.

 

[sk310]

I don't quite know that i'm ready to make an opinion about Serena's year. When she wins she still wins fairly definitively and when she loses it still feels like an old fashioned Serena just isn't as motivated to win.

I think after the last two years of achieving literally everything she could possibly achieve and breaking expectations she's pulling back a bit and wanting more of her normal life. I mean it couldn't have been easy to see all her friends going to the wedding of the century the same weekend that RG started.

I agree that Wimbledon will tell us a lot more about whether this is motivation issues or whether age has finally picked Serena's number. What I imagine we will begin to see is Serena losing really early at some tournaments in kind if unexplainable losses rather than losing in a SF or Final.

Hell I still wouldn't bet against her on any day.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

 

[Fiero425]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

 

[tented]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

Hi Sunday,

Do you know if she's planning on training with him soon, preferably before Wimbledon? Or what her training is going to be, if not that?

Thanks.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

With all fairness, Serena's serve is usually on point, and I love Serena's technique with her serve. Serena has never had ongoing, continuous dilemmas with her serve like her sister and say Azarenka and Sharapova. She may experience it for a tournament or two, but she usually finds her form on it quickly. Where Serena goes wrong is her foot work can be atrocious and lazy at times.

 

[RJD11]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

 

[Fiero425]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

Her serve this year has had some weird peaks and valleys, but nothing that really alarms me. She is entering her favorite part of the year, so I am hoping any and all problems concerning her game are about to fall by the wayside. I do want her to go visit her dad though and get that serve going before Wimbledon though, so she is on point with it there.

 

[tented]

Her serve this year has had some weird peaks and valleys, but nothing that really alarms me. She is entering her favorite part of the year, so I am hoping any and all problems concerning her game are about to fall beside the wayside. I do want her to go visit her dad though and get that serve going before Wimbledon though, so she is on point with it there.

I just remembered: Richard has been on a book tour to promote his new book. I don't know if he's still traveling, but it's a possibility, which would explain why he can't get together with Serena.

 

[my sherona]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

a perfect suckaah punch rjd didnt know its coming ..lol :laydownlaughing :lolz:

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

When Serena grabs #18, there will be less pressure on her.
She has 2 more shots at it this year.
As of now, Serena has 9 voters who think she will pass 20 slams.

 

[Fiero425]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

a perfect suckaah punch rjd didnt know its coming ..lol :laydownlaughing :lolz:

I'm from the old school where the serve is the center of the game! I had long arm, had obviously good technique since I could imitate any of the top player's serves for my students; men and women's alike! I favored the Roscoe Tanner way of hitting the ball on the way up, but could go totally opposite with a high toss like Stan Smith! My favorite way of slapping at the ball mimicked Evonne Goolagong and to throw people off on break point, I'd go to Virginia Wade's hitch! :angel:

 

[RJD11]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

You have been the main one "Btchn' & Moanin'" about Serena and Venus

having bad technique and everything else negative about their game for years.

They have 54 GS titles collectively. That's more than being " effective at times "

and not " breaking down easily ". You seem to love the old style of tennis and

don't care much for the " Big Babe " tennis. Good or Bad ( according to one's

preference ) power tennis is here. The girls are gettin bigger and hittin harder

than those of yesteryear. The finesse players are only winning every now and

then when luck opens up a draw. And I don't see it changing any time soon.

 

[RJD11]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

Yes, Venus does have that bad habit. She has been quite

successful in spite of it. I have been wishing for years that she

work on fixing that. She would probably have a lot more titles

if she did.

 

[tented]

Yes, Venus does have that bad habit. She has been quite

successful in spite of it. I have been wishing for years that she

work on fixing that. She would probably have a lot more titles

if she did.

Or, if she had tried to fix it, that could have made things worse, and she would have won fewer titles. Sometimes making adjustments can backfire.

 

[Si Si Simona]

Whatever is going on, I hope she is training with Richard to get that serve on point and consistent again. He seems to be the only one who can get her serve where she needs it when it goes funky.

For years, that's all I heard about is how good, powerful, and accurate Serena's serve has been; NOT! Same with Venus; both with awful technique! No one should be surprised they have lingering problems with them! :nono :angel:

You don't hit 102 aces at Wimbledon if your serve is not

good, powerful, and accurate. Technique has to be

sound also. It works. Results are what matter.

And if you've heard about Serena's serve " for years "

with the success she's had with it " for years " then

maybe you should re- think your ideas on what good

technique is.

I bet there is not a player in the WTA that wouldn't love

to have her technique.

Well then explain this "Btchn' & Moanin'" now about her technique and needing Richard to help her out? HELLO! Am I misreading the posts here? :nono uzzled :s - Being a past teacher, I say they both have bad technique! It may be effective at times, but can break down easily; esp. Venus' with how she drops her head down so fast before striking the ball!

Yes, Venus does have that bad habit. She has been quite

successful in spite of it. I have been wishing for years that she

work on fixing that. She would probably have a lot more titles

if she did.

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

 

[Fiero425]

Only problem Venus has in her game is her illness. She would have won many more titles if she stayed healthy. One of the best in tennis history in my book.

p.s. - those multi quotes are insane. would be great to quote just the last post. Admins, think of the bandwidth and the confusion...

You mean like this? You're deluding yourself if you believe that! Venus has always had problems with her serve and if she were that great, she wouldn't be upset so often by absolute "nobodies" again and again over the years; esp. on clay! Years ago before anyone knew about her illness, she played a Latin tour of matches against girls ranked #200+ and #300+ and struggled all the way! Her unforced errors have always been her downfall and at times that precious serve has totally deserted her along with an erratic forehand! Feel for her if you like, let's just not have revisionist history! :nono uzzled :s :angel: