What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Federberg]

Spain Suspends La Liga

"BREAKING: La Liga suspended for two weeks due to the coronavirus outbreak https://t.co/sstKMD8Zs4" via B/R Football on Twitter

bleacherreport.com

 

[tented]

I’m surprised Japan’s numbers are so low. Are they doing this on purpose because of the Olympics?

 

[tented]

Oh yeah, get sleep, drink liquids, try not to stress too much and...minimize the booze.

You buried the lead there, Dude.

 

[Federberg]

^I think Japan got in front of this by being quite restrictive about who they were letting in. But I do agree those numbers look a bit dodgy. Hard to believe they're not on top of testing though

 

[Federberg]

Ireland closes all schools and colleges

 

[Federberg]

this made me laugh....

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

You REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY need to read up more on the topics you seem to feel so strongly about. It's becoming a theme. This is not like the regular flu. Please conduct some research. This is borderline irresponsible.

You are starting to sound like folks on Facebook man...Their first line of argument is " Do some research" or " Educate yourself" . I guess some like to get off like that.
Listen, I have a two year old with a weak immune system. Don't you think I have not talked to every professional I can ? She goes to daycare. Obviously I want to know everything.
Obviously, there may be things you and I not know about this stuff. I am more than happy to concede that. But what is the advice you are getting from your doctor or any health care professionals? I am just going by those. And those seem to be wash your hands, cover your cough or sneeze, try to avoid crowds, do not touch your face, etc...I agree that this does not sound like the regular flue but in a good way in that it does not seem to do much damage with younger population whereas the regular flue does affect the very young also. In what way it is worse than the regular flu, I am more than happy to know how. I am looking for info, trust me.

 

[Federberg]

^Murat this thing is an order of magnitude more lethal than the flu. I don't know where you're getting your information from but seriously @brokenshoelace is correct. It's lacking at the moment. I'm surprised that this is even a debating point at this stage. Whole countries are shutting down because of this, I can't understand how you would even waste your time equating it with something so prosaic...

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

^Murat this thing is an order of magnitude more lethal than the flu. I don't know where you're getting your information from but seriously @brokenshoelace is correct. It's lacking at the moment. I'm surprised that this is even a debating point at this stage. Whole countries are shutting down because of this, I can't understand how you would even waste your time equating it with something so prosaic...

Can you please share the information YOU have, so I know. I am serious.

 

[Federberg]

^just go on to your government's website. Go to your main media sites. Heck go online and read some of the major scientific journals. Google it. It's all there for people to see. I don't understand the dislocation here. As long as you don't go to any political websites, as far as I can see the information is out there

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

^just go on to your government's website. Go to your main media sites. Heck go online and read some of the major scientific journals. Google it. It's all there for people to see. I don't understand the dislocation here. As long as you don't go to any political websites, as far as I can see the information is out there

Here are the two websites I have almost memorized:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 vs. the Flu

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

The second one compares both.

Are these sites the wrong sites?

 

[tented]

COVID-19 vs. the Flu

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

The second one compares both.

Are these sites the wrong sites?

There’s this from the Johns Hopkins site:

”The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.”

That sums it up: new, no immunity, no vaccine, higher mortality rate.

That countries are closing borders, restricting flights, closing schools, suggesting people stay at home, banning certain public events, and so on means something. Sure, the flu kills a lot of people every year, but how often does it make international news like this?

@Federberg linked to this before, but I think it’s worth showing again:

 

[mrzz]

^Murat this thing is an order of magnitude more lethal than the flu.

It is not orders of magnitude more lethal than the flu. Real data does not support that.

Current data points to be being currently overall twice as lethal than the flu -- and this is not little. I have seen estimates from less lethal to around 6 times more lethal. Hard to compare as there is problem of data acquisition methodology.

First big problem is that overall people across the globe are still not immuno-competent against it -- so that spikes the death rate. That is, during this first wave death rate will be higher than usual. Second problem is that mortality rate across ages is completely different than the ordinary flu. The good news for @Murat Baslamisli is that, differently from the flu, that rate is not U shaped and only grows with age (but I noticed that MB pointed out the weak immune system of his kid. I am sure he is taken all possible care and everything will be fine.)

I have an 93 old dad who is still active and working daily, so be sure I am as worried as hell. Just spoke to him on the phone and suggested him to avoid crowded places, work from home and change the hours he goes to the grocery store. That's as far as he will go...

It is extremely serious -- but mortality rates among adults are modest, and will diminish with time.

I have some access to professional dealing with this in national scale here and the projections that they are working with is that in around 4 months we (here) will have moved past the peak, since community transmission (here) has just started (as opposed from transmissions from vectors coming from abroad).

 

[Federberg]

It is not orders of magnitude more lethal than the flu. Real data does not support that.

Current data points to be being currently overall twice as lethal than the flu -- and this is not little. I have seen estimates from less lethal to around 6 times more lethal. Hard to compare as there is problem of data acquisition methodology.

First big problem is that overall people across the globe are still not immuno-competent against it -- so that spikes the death rate. That is, during this first wave death rate will be higher than usual. Second problem is that mortality rate across ages is completely different than the ordinary flu. The good news for @Murat Baslamisli is that, differently from the flu, that rate is not U shaped and only grows with age (but I noticed that MB pointed out the weak immune system of his kid. I am sure he is taken all possible care and everything will be fine.)

I have an 93 old dad who is still active and working daily, so be sure I am as worried as hell. Just spoke to him on the phone and suggested him to avoid crowded places, work from home and change the hours he goes to the grocery store. That's as far as he will go...

It is extremely serious -- but mortality rates among adults are modest, and will diminish with time.

I have some access to professional dealing with this in national scale here and the projections that they are working with is that in around 4 months we (here) will have moved past the peak, since community transmission (here) has just started (as opposed from transmissions from vectors coming from abroad).

In Congressional testimony senior healthcare leadership stated that this thing could be as much as 10 times more lethal than the common flu. In my book that's an order of magnitude higher than the common flu. I'll go with that

 

[brokenshoelace]

You are starting to sound like folks on Facebook man...Their first line of argument is " Do some research" or " Educate yourself" . I guess some like to get off like that.
Listen, I have a two year old with a weak immune system. Don't you think I have not talked to every professional I can ? She goes to daycare. Obviously I want to know everything.
Obviously, there may be things you and I not know about this stuff. I am more than happy to concede that. But what is the advice you are getting from your doctor or any health care professionals? I am just going by those. And those seem to be wash your hands, cover your cough or sneeze, try to avoid crowds, do not touch your face, etc...I agree that this does not sound like the regular flue but in a good way in that it does not seem to do much damage with younger population whereas the regular flue does affect the very young also. In what way it is worse than the regular flu, I am more than happy to know how. I am looking for info, trust me.

I mean when a person makes grandiose, borderline condescending claims about how the whole world is reacting to a certain thing, and almost all the evidence seems to conflict what said person is claiming, then yes, "do some research" is warranted. I don't get off on that. Its just reality. For the sake of a useful conversation, I'll provide you with some potentially useful sources in a bit.

 

[tented]

Do I have to explain really? Every year at least 30 thousand people die from regular flu. This virus is not even particularly deadly. Average age of people it kills is 80, and even those are people that have other conditions. This ban is going to screw the economy up big time. Overreaction.

I found this quote by Dr. Anthony Fauci, which is helpful:

“Despite the morbidity and mortality with influenza, there's a certainty … of seasonal flu," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a White House press conference on Jan. 31. "I can tell you all, guaranteed, that as we get into March and April, the flu cases are going to go down. You could predict pretty accurately what the range of the mortality is and the hospitalizations [will be]," Fauci said. "The issue now with [COVID-19] is that there's a lot of unknowns."

 

[Federberg]

ATP Tour suspended for 6 weeks...

 

[dante1976]

You do realize that are going to be a lot of people out there online that wants to cash in fast all the panic out there? Yeah it's serious but compared to swine/bird flu (not to mention Ebola and other "high end" grade nasty things) this is nothing to worry about. It will pass soon and life goes on. Of course that governments will use precaution measures. If they don't then masses will go berserk and over paranoid like they are already are. "Funny" fact for you: Way more people died (and dying every year) from Asbestos (and other plastic junk out there), Power plants ("regular" & nuclear), Industrial industry combined, junk food & drinks, alcohol consumption, smoking (active & passive), drug abuse/overdose (recreational/heavy/pharmacy ones), drinking bad water from faucets, insane levels of petrol burning, Reckless driving, car/train/plane crashes, taking stress from every day fast paced life and work, Heart attacks/Strokes/Cancers induced with everything mentioned, etc... Than any virus out there since Spanish Influenza plus all the conflicts from WW1 to this day combined! Now please keep calm and relax! It will pass soon, no need to be that paranoid and making it way worse than it already is. I know it's boring with no tennis going on but read a good book (don't kill trees use digital ones) and life is all good!

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[Murat Baslamisli]

My daughter's doctor's response to my e mail about how worried we should be regarding our daughter, daycare and etc.
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"So in general kids aren’t being as affected as older people (adults, esp those with chronic illnesses) and elderly.



She doesn’t really have respiratory issues that would predispose her to flu/flu-like illnesses or more severe respiratory illnesses than others.

So… in short, not really. From what I know about COVID so far."

I think what we don't know about this stuff is scaring more people than what we do know and I can get on board with that.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Dr Abdu Sharkawy ,internal medicine and infectious diseases consultant with Toronto’s University Health Network and an assistant professor at University of Toronto:

"I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic"

Do I believe him or not? Who do we believe?



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