What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Moxie]

^ There is some contradictory information out there.

If we find a vaccine for COVID-19, it will be the first time ever for coronaviruses

For those pinning their hopes on a COVID-19 vaccine to return life to normal, an Australian expert in vaccine development warns the quest poses unique challenges.

www.abc.net.au

There was no vaccine for Sars or Mers. Will there be one for the new coronavirus?

Seventeen years after the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) outbreak and seven years since the first Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers) case, there is still no coronavirus vaccine despite dozens of attempts to develop them.As research institutes and companies around the world race to...

sg.news.yahoo.com

Reading between the lines, I'm guessing that they have developed a vaccine for the particular strain of SARS but it's no longer relevant.

I'm wondering if Coronavirus will peter out also, and by the time they have a vaccine for the strains we've seen, will that be relevant?

With flu shots, my understanding is that the vaccine is geared toward particular strains that are geographically relevant.

Would that mean that a "generic" vaccine for Coronavirus could be quickly modified to protect against a different strain? i.e. a Mutated future outbreak?

I'm thinking aloud, as I don't really have any idea what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I get it...we're just spit-balling and trying to figure it out. But hey, what are the forums all about, anyway?

I do understand about flu shots, and they are a "best guess" as to what the cocktail of strains they put in will be the ones that will best protect us. As to the rest, I don't know. If they mutate, maybe it doesn't help at all. I still think that a vaccine, which is a dead virus, helps with immunity.

 

[Moxie]

Can I just tell you that it's all helicopters and sirens here, right now? I'm sure it's about the "civil unrest," but it makes me so anxious. I hate to put my fingers in my ears, but I can do nothing. I have to put on music or watch a movie or something. Sitting with this is excructiating.

 

[britbox]

Can I just tell you that it's all helicopters and sirens here, right now? I'm sure it's about the "civil unrest," but it makes me so anxious. I hate to put my fingers in my ears, but I can do nothing. I have to put on music or watch a movie or something. Sitting with this is excructiating.

Sounds grim. I feel very lucky to be living on the edge of the world right now. Get some headphones on - check into a few podcasts, it might help distract.

 

[Moxie]

Sounds grim. I feel very lucky to be living on the edge of the world right now. Get some headphones on - check into a few podcasts, it might help distract.

You are lucky to be on the edge of the world right now. I've always liked being in the center, but not so much right now. It does seem grim, and a bit scary, all of a sudden. Perhaps I'll sooth myself with a revisit of the 2008 Wimbledon final. (I hope you appreciate that joke for how pointless and quaint it is, in these times. Too soon?)

 

[mrzz]

Hey @mrzz, how are things playing out in Brazil? I look at the Worldometer every morning and see your country climbing the curve. What's your current situation on the medical and political fronts?

Worst possible situations on both fronts. I could write pages about those. Instead will illustrate with what happened to two different health ministers.

Two months ago the health minister (our "Dr. Fauci") was still an yet obscure politician (Luis Henrique Mandetta), former doctor, known only in his region, indicated by a former Bolsonaro ally. Opposition here painted him as the devil. Turned out to be a very good minister, was being quite technical and transparent (hurts me to say that). Found a way to work with the career employees of the ministry (that is, technical people not politically appointed). He disagreed with Bolsonaro in two main aspects, but was trying to find a compromise. Got popular, and was fired (while doing a good job with no one other then the president complaining, not even the president's upper echelon staff).

Bolsonaro tried to find another minister. Dug deep and found some guy with scientific background and some ideological connection (Nelson Teich). The guy stood for less than a month, and asked to leave. Saw a long interview of the guy, he showed that he was technically prepared. Had a pretty smart approach to isolation (based on a risk matrix).

So, if the guys within the government -- that were put there by the fucking president -- that show that they are capable to do the job, are fired or leave on their own, we are fucking doomed.

 

[calitennis127]

One of the benefits to the robbery festivals, I mean protests, over the weekend is that they made a mockery of the stupid social distancing rules. The whole "COVID" episode from the start was a sham, a superstition, and an ego trip for Democratic governors.

Now this idiot Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan is lifting the social distancing requirement.....nothing like some Democratic Party-constituent looting and vandalism to knock some sense into someone. Too bad for Whitmer that she is nowhere near as intelligent or sensible as the female Republican governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem, who did a far superior job of handling the COVID crisis in her state than Whitmer did in hers.

Michigan governor largely rescinds lockdown, retailers to reopen
Reuters

Michigan governor largely rescinds lockdown, retailers to reopen

 

[Federberg]

UK coronavirus LIVE: True death toll tops 51,000 as Government announces shops to open from Monday

 

[calitennis127]

Well, wearing masks was completely pointless. It was - just as I said - nothing but a superstitious fashion statement for Democrats and other Trump-haters across the world. Not only did Fauci admit this in the New England Journal of Medicine in May, but now the WHO just acknowledged it.

When will Federberg and Moxie own up to how silly and wrong they were all along?

HEALTH AND SCIENCE
Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, JUN 8 20201:05 PM EDT

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says

Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, said the WHO's Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Federberg]

Well, wearing masks was completely pointless. It was - just as I said - nothing but a superstitious fashion statement for Democrats and other Trump-haters across the world. Not only did Fauci admit this in the New England Journal of Medicine in May, but now the WHO just acknowledged it.

When will Federberg and Moxie own up to how silly and wrong they were all along?

HEALTH AND SCIENCE
Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, JUN 8 20201:05 PM EDT

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says

Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, said the WHO's Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove.

www.cnbc.com

mate you're all over the place. I'm not sure what you think we were wrong about. We said that the pandemic was a real thing and was very serious. The evidence piles in every day that our opinions were correct. You can keep on with your partisan shit if you want, it's a bit tired and very old. But keep on keeping on if it makes you feel better. I largely ignore you

 

[calitennis127]

mate you're all over the place. I'm not sure what you think we were wrong about.

Uhhhh, among other things, you were completely wrong that the lockdowns were justified (all the models cited to justify them have not come even close to panning out) and you were also wrong that the mask-wearing made any sense. The mask-wearing was justified on the grounds that asymptomatic people were spreading the disease. Now the WHO is saying that that concern was baseless.

So what exactly were you and Moxie right about? Absolutely nothing.

We said that the pandemic was a real thing and was very serious.

And I said it was a real thing and ridiculously exaggerated by the likes of yourself. I was right, you were wrong.

The evidence piles in every day that our opinions were correct.

No, it doesn't. Are you this dumb that I post a story that directly refutes what you have been contending for months and you don't even realize it? The evidence coming in is undercutting your case, not proving it.

You can keep on with your partisan shit if you want, it's a bit tired and very old.

Lol.....you are the partisan little girl who, for reasons of partisanship, followed Adam Schiff's lead on the bogus Russian collusion theory. For you to be accusing anyone else of partisanship is laughable. Everything out of your mouth or off your fingertips is partisan.

But keep on keeping on if it makes you feel better. I largely ignore you

You have to ignore what I say because I destroy all of your arguments and bitch-slap you repeatedly. You can't win the fight, so you "largely" avoid it. I don't blame you.

 

[calitennis127]

It's funny how Moxie and Federturd ignored this story, even after Moxie insisted that I was wrong to say the stupid masks were just a fashion statement for Democrats. I posted this, and of course she ignored it, even though it totally disproved what she had been insisting for weeks.

One thing Moxie and Federturd have in common is that they don't care if information completely contradicts their beliefs. They just dismiss it without even adjusting. Only 9 unarmed black males killed in 2019? Who cares! Fauci saying masks are pointless? Who cares! The WHO saying that the coronavirus is hardly ever spread asymptomatically? Who cares! The WHO saying masks are unnecessary? Who cares!

Both of them are ideologically invested in certain beliefs and they do not care how much data, how much logic, or how much info outright disproves what they believe. They just brush it all aside and maintain belief in the same superstitions.

'Masks Are Symbolic,' say Dr Fauci and The New England Journal of Medicine
MAY 28, 2020

'Masks Are Symbolic,' say Dr Fauci and The New England Journal of Medicine

In the past week, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that masks are little more than symbols. Virtue signaling. For those of you who shout “science” like it’s a Tourette tick, this is from the New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020

hennessysview.com

 

[Moxie]

Well, wearing masks was completely pointless. It was - just as I said - nothing but a superstitious fashion statement for Democrats and other Trump-haters across the world. Not only did Fauci admit this in the New England Journal of Medicine in May, but now the WHO just acknowledged it.

When will Federberg and Moxie own up to how silly and wrong they were all along?

HEALTH AND SCIENCE
Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, JUN 8 20201:05 PM EDT

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says

Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, said the WHO's Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove.

www.cnbc.com

She has since walked that back a bit. There is not much documented proof of the asymptomatic spreading the virus, but the pre-symptomatic definitely can. Asymptomatic people are the ones who never get sick, the pre-symptomatic are the ones that aren't sick yet, and the problem is that they are indistinguishable until one gets sick and the other doesn't. I'm not convinced that masks are useless, (they're meant to be about 30% effective in blocking transmission.) And since pre-symptomatic people can spread the disease, it's better to use them, right?

 

[Federberg]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/09/coronavirus-hospitalizations-rising/

 

[calitennis127]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/09/coronavirus-hospitalizations-rising/

Here is the reality:

Alex Berenson: Europe data indicates ending lockdowns 'do not seem to make much difference' to COVID-19 spread

Alex Berenson: Europe data indicates ending lockdowns 'do not seem to make much difference' to COVID-19 spread

Author and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Wednesday that Europe's success in containing the coronavirus appears to indicate that ending state-imposed lockdowns "do not seem to make much difference at all" in the spread of COVID-19.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Jelenafan]

Here in the States the Covid spreading; it’s still “complicated” , not one singular pattern has emerged.

As coronavirus cases pass 2 million, what's the impact of reopening?

With cases surging in more than 20 states, there is no clear divide between states that reopened early and those that took more time.

www.latimes.com

 

[calitennis127]

Here in the States the Covid spreading; it’s still “complicated” , not one singular pattern has emerged.

As coronavirus cases pass 2 million, what's the impact of reopening?

With cases surging in more than 20 states, there is no clear divide between states that reopened early and those that took more time.

www.latimes.com

This is nothing to see.....it's the result of increased testing and at this point numerous scientists have said that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers. As I have been saying repeatedly, all that "more testing" will do is confirm what those two Stanford scientists said back in March in the Wall Street Journal.

It's funny too that the media are suddenly worried about COVID cases reappearing now that the Floyd riots are mostly over. Where was the concern about them the past two weeks? It appears that no one had a problem with thousands of sweaty bodies being pressed against each other for hours as long as the media agreed with the cause.

Of course, anyone with half a brain can see that the COVID crisis has been at least 90% political from the start and was meant to undermine Trump. The hilarious vacillating between "it's okay to protest the police" and "It's not okay for Trump to have a rally" within days confirms that beyond any reasonable doubt.

 

[calitennis127]

Now the nihilistic cretins that Moxie and Federberg ally themselves with are going after a Gandhi statue in the UK. As I have said dozens of times, white left-wing people are worse than ISIS. They are both dumb and vile:

Calls to remove 'racist' Gandhi statue in Leicester
12 June 2020

Calls to remove 'racist' Gandhi statue in Leicester

A petition accuses the man who fought for Indian independence of being fascist and racist.

www.bbc.com

 

[Federberg]

 

[Moxie]

Please click on this and watch. It's really quick. (Sadly.)

Global Deaths Due to Various Causes and COVID-19 (borrowed and reproduced from Tony Nickonchuk)

A Flourish data visualisation by Gavin Wood

public.flourish.studio

 

[calitennis127]

Lol....did you even watch the video? Look at what the girl said at the 3-minute mark: they all except 1 or 2 only had mild symptoms. In other words, this virus is of virtually no danger to young people. 99.9% of the time it is of no danger to young people. None.

Now if Chris Cuomo is really concerned about protecting vulnerable populations from "covid," maybe he should have his governor brother on the show to apologize to the families of the thousands of old people that were killed as a result of the idiotic decision to send "covid" patients into nursing homes in the state of New York (a Democrat-heavy state named after a slave trader, btw - may have to change that name in the near future).

I also find it funny that Chris Cuomo is being that sanctimonious about the virus narrative after he himself broke quarantine and yelled at a biker in New York City for confronting him about it.

Cuomo is a shallow meathead. I find it difficult to take him seriously, although I will admit that he doesn't seem to be a malicious person. Just deeply wrong.

I don't see how someone can diss OANN and then post a Cuomo video.