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[Moxie]

Lol! I just scroll past it all

Yeah, so do I. As I said, I don't think she reads it, either.

 

[teddytennisfan]

MOXIE isn't happy with her AMERICA ''at the moment" because her beloved OBAMA the WAR CRIMES ''salesman" and Puppet -- is going away whimpering as PUTIN BITCH SLAPS him for his effrontery of trying to get russia to KNEEL?

AND MOXIE ain't happy coz her beautiful zombie queen of blood -- KILLARY ain't gonna get her throne with those PUSH BUTTONS for more wars of PLUNDER AND PILLAGE............which they call ''democracy" and 'human right's.

yes indeed - MOXIE is not very happy..she MIGHT even go to JAIL -- and THAT will hardly be enough -- as the same with obama -- for THEIR CRIMES AGAINST THE PLANET AND COUNTRIES.

 

[Moxie]

MOXIE isn't happy with her AMERICA ''at the moment" because her beloved OBAMA the WAR CRIMES ''salesman" and Puppet -- is going away whimpering as PUTIN BITCH SLAPS him for his effrontery of trying to get russia to KNEEL?

AND MOXIE ain't happy coz her beautiful zombie queen of blood -- KILLARY ain't gonna get her throne with those PUSH BUTTONS for more wars of PLUNDER AND PILLAGE............which they call ''democracy" and 'human right's.

yes indeed - MOXIE is not very happy..she MIGHT even go to JAIL -- and THAT will hardly be enough -- as the same with obama -- for THEIR CRIMES AGAINST THE PLANET AND COUNTRIES.

Someone is off their meds.

 

[mrzz]

You don't think that Russians hacking the election is plausible? Because the FBI and the CIA do. Which is rather different from what the "public" will believe, since, in the US, something less than 50% of the people bought the stories that Trump was selling.

The idea in itself is obviously plausible. The actual case made up till now, be it the media stories or the statements from this two agencies, is not.

I agree that those agencies should investigate this. I do not agree the hysteria inducing stories and attitudes.

If you say Trump sold stories, I believe you. It yet does not justify all this.

 

[Moxie]

The idea in itself is obviously plausible. The actual case made up till now, be it the media stories or the statements from this two agencies, is not.

I agree that those agencies should investigate this. I do not agree the hysteria inducing stories and attitudes.

If you say Trump sold stories, I believe you. It yet does not justify all this.

I don't see why you qualify the stories about Russian-hacking as "hysteria-inducing." People haven't taken to the streets, or their fainting couches, and the election wasn't over-turned. There are calls for investigation, which you say you agree with. What does gaul some is that Trump doesn't want to give it credence, as he fears it undermines his victory. I think these are all reasonable things to debate and bring out in the press. What hysteria?

 

[teddytennisfan]

of course -- NOW that CBS -- one of the american MSM that helped along all THE LIES AND WAR CRIMES by the USA for decades now --
are VERY LIKELY trembling terror of TRUMP FOR his defiance of THEIR heapingup on him and for their wanting MORE WARS ...

so -- it is quite obvious their honchos are just preparing themselves to be on his good side..her

but lo and behold -- they are FORCED to ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE LIES -- including and ABOVE ALL -- BY THE CIA that HILLARY LOVES SO MUCH for her dreamed of wars that OBAMA was supposed to HAND to her -- to ADD to HIS lying wars...for THEIR DEEP STATE , very, very rich masters like the rockefellers, rothschilds, soros, morgan,s duponts, etc...

and WHY? BECAUSE TRUTH WILL OUT no matter how much the WESTERN MSM thought they were SO in control of the 'narrative" for decades and decades..


rolfmao!!

because fact is REALITY IS A BITCH , ain't it?
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Russia Hack Story Collapses - Even Mainstream TV Like CBS Are Ripping it Apart (Video)
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You know you are in trouble when local mainstream TV affiliates start ripping up your narrative.

Well, that is exactly what is happening out there in fly-over country, home to prowling tribes of 'deplorables'.

Really, this isn't that surprising - the neocon establishment has gotten just about everything else wrong this year, why expect anything different just because a few weeks have passed.

Grab some popcorn and enjoy watching this local Atlanta anchor explain to average Americans that it looks like the CIA is lying, which incidentally, they have a rich history of doing.

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Ouch.

Text of his remarks follows:





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From the American Mirror:

“By now you’ve heard that the CIA is sure that Russia did hack the DNC and John Podesta’s emails with the intent of swaying the election toward Donald Trump,” Swann said.

“But what most media isn’t doing is actually asking for evidence of these claims,” he said. “I’m going to give you five problems with what the CIA is saying.”

The first problem revolves around how the information about the alleged hacking was released.

“The CIA did not officially release this information, rather anonymous sources inside the CIA leaked this conclusion to The Washington Post on Friday, and then another anonymous source leaked the same conclusion to the New York Times,” Swann said.

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He quoted the Post’s claim that a “secret assessment” into the Democratic National Committee and chairman John Podesta’s emails conducted by the CIA concluded Russia hacked in with a focus on helping Trump. The Post reported that the CIA believes individuals with ties to the Russian government shared the information with Wikileaks, which posted it online.

“The second problem here is the anonymous sources did not provide any evidence to support those statements, and by releasing the information anonymously there is no one accountable to provide that proof,” Swann said.

“The third problem here is the CIA lies,” he continued. “Not always, but I can give you a number of recent stories where that agency has made claims that have been proven untrue.”

Swann cited the Senate Intelligence Committee’s criticism of the CIA’s “culture of misinformation” in 2014, as well as comments from Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon about the public’s lack of trust in the CIA.

“That trust has been seriously undermined by senior officials’ reckless reliance on secret interpretations of the law and battered by years of misleading and deceptive practices,” Wyden said.

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“Please excuse us if the public needs the CIA to do more than just leak anonymously its conclusion that Russia tried to sway the election,” Swann said.

The fourth problem highlighted by the Reality Check is that CIA officials don’t agree on the agency’s secret conclusion.

Swann quoted the Post:

There were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency’s assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.

“What does that mean?” Swann questioned. “What are those disagreements? And without providing that information how can we trust that these disagreements are actually minor, since that, of course, is a relative term?”

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The fifth problem: Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is adamant the leaked emails did not come from a “hack” – Russian or otherwise – and contends it came from a DNC insider.

“Only days ago, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murry, said he has met the person who gave the DNC emails to Assange and Wikileaks and he says it is not the Russians,” Swann said.

“I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider,” Murry said. “It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.”

Swann concluded:

So what you need to know is that on top of all of these questions is one fundamental issue that everyone is missing. The claim is that Russia decided to hack the election, not by altering voting results but by making public actual emails from the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

Look, I have said this before and I will say it again: How bizarre is it that the argument is not that the Russians were trying to influence the election through lies or electronic voting, but rather the claim – if you really boil it down – is that the Russians swayed the election for Donald Trump by revealing the truth about the Clinton campaign and the truth about the DNC.

That’s Reality Check …

 

[mrzz]

I don't see why you qualify the stories about Russian-hacking as "hysteria-inducing." People haven't taken to the streets, or their fainting couches, and the election wasn't over-turned. There are calls for investigation, which you say you agree with. What does gaul some is that Trump doesn't want to give it credence, as he fears it undermines his victory. I think these are all reasonable things to debate and bring out in the press. What hysteria?

People haven´t, but they could. With hindsight everything is easier. Again, there is no need to public calls for investigation. Those agencies are free enough to perform it without advertising it to newspapers.

Of course it undermines Trump´s victory. That´s the whole point. I find it much more plausible that people are using this allegations with exactly this objective, that the own allegations themselves. I get the dislike for Trump, I do not agree with putting more fuel to the international politics fire because of it.

Moxie, politics is very close to war. But at one point you need to draw the line. It is easy to do so when you are on the winning side, I know....

 

[teddytennisfan]

if hesus christ himself came to moxie -- and said:

"I am the son of god -- i am yhour lord and saviour and i tell you now -- there were no hacks by russia -- just that more electoral votes were won by trump...that is it..and yes -- my father and i were listening and watching -- but humans must decide for yourselves -- but yes -- hillary did hector her husband billie to bomb serbia and they are war criminals jmust like barack and bush...

but in due time they will be imprisoned in Hell -- my father has already decided that...".

MOXIE will call jesus christ a SPAMMER...and working for putin.....

 

[Moxie]

People haven´t, but they could. With hindsight everything is easier. Again, there is no need to public calls for investigation. Those agencies are free enough to perform it without advertising it to newspapers.

Of course it undermines Trump´s victory. That´s the whole point. I find it much more plausible that people are using this allegations with exactly this objective, that the own allegations themselves. I get the dislike for Trump, I do not agree with putting more fuel to the international politics fire because of it.

Moxie, politics is very close to war. But at one point you need to draw the line. It is easy to do so when you are on the winning side, I know....

I strongly disagree with you, here. There is every reason to make public calls for investigation. As opposed to what...hiding it? If it puts a pall over Trumps victory, so be it, but he still won, and nothing changes that. But by virtue of the popular vote, more than this, he shouldn't feel he has a mandate. But he will, anyway. We're a divided country. This Russia-hacking thing doesn't change that. But it certainly opens questions to be answered. And it's not about disliking Trump. This is what you're getting as wrong as Trump is: it's about the question of US elections being fiddled, which is bigger than partisan politics.

 

[teddytennisfan]

It's not really that funny. And it's not really more plausible than the NYT's version. This, and Teddy's spamming of the thread may declare it officially "dead." I don't believe anyone here actually cares enough about US politics to talk about.

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[Moxie]

if hesus christ himself came to moxie -- and said:

"I am the son of god -- i am yhour lord and saviour and i tell you now -- there were no hacks by russia -- just that more electoral votes were won by trump...that is it..and yes -- my father and i were listening and watching -- but humans must decide for yourselves -- but yes -- hillary did hector her husband billie to bomb serbia and they are war criminals jmust like barack and bush...

but in due time they will be imprisoned in Hell -- my father has already decided that...".

MOXIE will call jesus christ a SPAMMER...and working for putin.....

TEDDY! Say whatever crap you want, but STOP putting words in my mouth and stop telling me what I think. OK? Leave me out of your conspiracies, your tin-foil hat worldview, etc. OK? You have no bloody idea what I think.

 

[mrzz]

I strongly disagree with you, here. There is every reason to make public calls for investigation. As opposed to what...hiding it? If it puts a pall over Trumps victory, so be it, but he still won, and nothing changes that. But by virtue of the popular vote, more than this, he shouldn't feel he has a mandate. But he will, anyway. We're a divided country. This Russia-hacking thing doesn't change that. But it certainly opens questions to be answered. And it's not about disliking Trump. This is what you're getting as wrong as Trump is: it's about the question of US elections being fiddled, which is bigger than partisan politics.

Ok, let´s disagree. From this point on we´ll start to repeat ourselves, as I would answer with exactly the same arguments I made above...

 

[Moxie]

Ok, let´s disagree. From this point on we´ll start to repeat ourselves, as I would answer with exactly the same arguments I made above...

Done. But I'm really shocked how reactionary this board is.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Someone is off their meds.

namely hillary, obama, samantha, neocons, neoliberals, CIA, FBI, homeland security, deep state, wall street, federal bank, jeff bezos (onwer of washington post -- whicfh is a CIA shill) - mark zukerberg of facebook suppressing real information...

and of course the fans of hillary and billie and barack..

they are off their meds, alright....they can't get it that they -- and their ''emperor, empress, and courtiers" aren't wearing clothes...

the whole world sees it .........but dont even suggest that to moxie...

 

[teddytennisfan]

TEDDY! Say whatever crap you want, but STOP putting words in my mouth and stop telling me what I think. OK? Leave me out of your conspiracies, your tin-foil hat worldview, etc. OK? You have no bloody idea what I think.

you've been painting yourself into that picture Moxie...i am just helping you get inside the frame better...so you can fit better in the group photo with your idols like :

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[Moxie]

namely hillary, obama, samantha, neocons, neoliberals, CIA, FBI, homeland security, deep state, wall street, federal bank, jeff bezos (onwer of washington post -- whicfh is a CIA shill) - mark zukerberg of facebook suppressing real information...

and of course the fans of hillary and billie and barack..

they are off their meds, alright....they can't get it that they -- and their ''emperor, empress, and courtiers" aren't wearing clothes...

the whole world sees it .........but dont even suggest that to moxie...

If you can't make your point without using me as a foil, then you don't have a strong point to make. I'll ask you again to leave me out of your posts on this thread.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Yeah, so do I. As I said, I don't think she reads it, either.

you mean -- obama? "she" Doesn't read it either? so who reads it then? him? the one he's ''married" to?

don't blame me though, i've just been seeing those talk about it -- could be some putin-russia hacking u know? or maybe a cia leak by some disgruntled insider as to the real goings-on in that
HOUSE OF ILL-REPUTE -- u know? the ''white house?"

 

[teddytennisfan]

If you can't make your point without using me as a foil, then you don't have a strong point to make. I'll ask you again to leave me out of your posts on this thread.

and yet -- with many posts i have put up recently -- i didn't refer to YOU...and then YOU PUT ME IN YOUR POSTS...Because -- according to you -- ''teddy is" just spamming....about stuff YOU don't like..coz they bear down, heavily -- on the LYING ROTTEN OBAMA AND HILLARY AND THEIR ILK...isn/t that so, moxie?

one standard for moxie =-- another for someone else....eh?

 

[teddytennisfan]

If you can't make your point without using me as a foil, then you don't have a strong point to make. I'll ask you again to leave me out of your posts on this thread.

and the only point YOU are making is to STOP me and people from EXPOSING THE LIES OF OBAMA, HILLARY AND COMPANY SOME MORE...

like you know, OBAMA administration got CAUGHT AGAIN -- THEY HAVE managed the ENTIRE operation of supplying arms to the TERRORISTS ''under many changing names" in syria --

by coordinating the actual collection of arms, from new to second hand, even old russian weapons, in former soviet countries like bulgaria, ukraine, romania, etc...

including turning empty factories into depos for collecting such thousands, upon thousands of arms -- to be smuggled to OBAMA, CIA, PENTAGON and EU and company's ''moderate rebels" --

yup....

 

[teddytennisfan]

If you can't make your point without using me as a foil, then you don't have a strong point to make. I'll ask you again to leave me out of your posts on this thread.

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And foil a rapprochement with Moscow, and 'rescue' the extremists from the Trumpening

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News that Obama was approving advanced arms to the Syrian rebels, in other words, to Al Qaeda, was met with consternation when it was announced Dec. 9. It was seen at the time as a last ditch effort to help extremist forces collapsing before the devastating Russia-Syria-Iran onslaught.

Well, it didn't work, and the fanatics has been pretty convincingly booted out of Syria. But they aren't out of the game just yet.

A recent article in New Eastern Outlook makes the interesting case that another, more troubling result of the decision, will be to greatly complicate Trump's ability to wind down hostilities in the Middle East, foil his efforts at rapprochement with Russia, and effectively 'rescue' the Islamic extremists from the Trumpster.

This comes on the heels of recent revelations from a French investigative journalist that the US has funneled over $1 Billion in arms to ISIS from the Ukraine and Eastern Europe, some of them violating these same so-called restrictions.

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In addition there have been angry accusations and calls for congressional investigations into 'saboteurs' in the CIA and other US security agencies from prominent pro-Trump forces among American conservatives, such as Pat Buchanan.

Obama's decision looks like more red meat for the investigators to tear into.

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This decision, if not cancelled by the Trump administration, will have larger implications, particularly in terms of prolonging and complicating the war.

Notwithstanding the danger of these weapons falling into the hands of “terrorists”, the fact remains that the end result of this decision will put the US in trouble not only with Turkey but also pitch the Syrian forces against Kurds, who are certainly fighting for the interests of the US. Unsurprisingly, as the White House spokesperson stated, the US policy will remain the same even if Aleppo was to fall to the Syrian forces.

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Thus ruling out the possibility of co-operation with Russia and over Syria over fighting IS, Obama’s decision to bolster the “rebels” appears to be as much of an attempt at “rescuing” these groups from the Trump administration as from the Syrian forces...

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The US president Barak Obama’s most recent announcement about lifting the previously imposed restrictions on the supply of (sophisticated) weapons to the “Syrian rebels” not only glaringly shows the true nature of the conflict as a foreign imposed, but also sheds light on the American establishment’s obsession with imposing regime change in Syria regardless of the human cost.

This announcement is nothing short of a departing gift by the US president to the “rebels” who have lost most of the territory they had