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I wished you'd leave it to the PC BS thread, but just because it gets a TikTok headline saying different, doesn't make those guys wrong. Republicans poured loads of money and effort into ginning up a fear that didn't exist, and shouldn't. Piers Morgan is a tool, but he was right when he said it was about a lot of other things before it was about trans issues. Even in the concept of people being against "woke-ness," it's a minor player, except those who are allowing Republicans and extremists to set their hair on fire over it.
and there lies the problem. In the scheme of things I completely agree with you. It's trivial. But the Republicans made the Democratic Party's brand toxic. For months I've watched Never Trumpers in organisations like The Bulwark and The Lincoln Project dismiss all the trans and woke stuff as nonsensical. But it turns out it wasn't. How is it that Kamala could put together an almost flawless campaign, which was full of policy. Meanwhile Trump spills out all this hate, spews cats and dogs nonsense, mimics blowjobs and he still walks away with a comfortable win. I mean.. seriously! I ask, how is that possible. The answer cannot be that the American people are stupid or racist or misogynist. That simply doesn't wash. This is the same electorate that voted Obama in twice. That won Hillary a comfortable majority of the vote, if not the electoral college. For years Republicans have worked on branding Democrats as the party of trans, single parent families and of twerking cross-dressers and Democrats have rolled their eyes and called them juvenile. Well the American people bought it.

At some point a good business accepts what their customers want to buy. A bad business will continue to call their customers stupid, and end up bankrupt. Listen to the people and change, or be happy to keep failing. Us ordinary folk are tired of the pronouns, virtue signalling and constant push to destroy cultural norms. I hope the left re-sets after all this. It cannot be a good thing when a couple of billionaires are able to convince ordinary folk that they have their interests at heart. It just can't
 

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^ Federberg makes some good points there.
 

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and there lies the problem. In the scheme of things I completely agree with you. It's trivial. But the Republicans made the Democratic Party's brand toxic. For months I've watched Never Trumpers in organisations like The Bulwark and The Lincoln Project dismiss all the trans and woke stuff as nonsensical. But it turns out it wasn't. How is it that Kamala could put together an almost flawless campaign, which was full of policy. Meanwhile Trump spills out all this hate, spews cats and dogs nonsense, mimics blowjobs and he still walks away with a comfortable win. I mean.. seriously! I ask, how is that possible. The answer cannot be that the American people are stupid or racist or misogynist. That simply doesn't wash. This is the same electorate that voted Obama in twice. That won Hillary a comfortable majority of the vote, if not the electoral college. For years Republicans have worked on branding Democrats as the party of trans, single parent families and of twerking cross-dressers and Democrats have rolled their eyes and called them juvenile. Well the American people bought it.

At some point a good business accepts what their customers want to buy. A bad business will continue to call their customers stupid, and end up bankrupt. Listen to the people and change, or be happy to keep failing. Us ordinary folk are tired of the pronouns, virtue signalling and constant push to destroy cultural norms. I hope the left re-sets after all this. It cannot be a good thing when a couple of billionaires are able to convince ordinary folk that they have their interests at heart. It just can't
But this is why I objected to your posting that video, with no comment. You were feeding the troll, and you knew it. If it was a comment about why the Dems lost, it was chasing the lowest hanging fruit. I've said this before, but you surely don't have anyone who was a single-issue voter on the anti-trans stuff, or not enough to say so. (Luckily, Kieran doesn't vote in US elections.) I don't think anyone called it "nonsensical," at least not anyone who matters, but it was not unfair to say that it's not an issue that affects a lot of people's lives. It was drummed up as a bugaboo by the Republicans, and effectively so. They've drummed up a lot of them, and then continued to hammer on them, with a lot of lies, too, and they just get away with it. They built fears, and they fed them.

I think the issue of "wokeness" in general is more an issue as to where the Democrats failed to read the room. When we felt like progressive ideals were winning the day, we felt that that was the future, and where we were all going, and it was the Republicans who were behind the times. I can agree it became overbearing, in ways, and failed at the inclusion it sought. This is where Trump has had his finger on the pulse of something for a long time, and it's where he's captured the zeitgeist. But Democrats were mostly winning the elections, on liberal issues, like abortion.

But Dems lost because it's also "the economy, Stupid," rightly or wrongly, and the incumbents lose on that. It's also that Harris only had 100 days to mount a campaign. And it's also that the US is still not ready to vote in a woman. Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris were both better candidates than Joe Biden, IMO, but the only one to beat Trump was the old white guy.

The Democrats have a lot to think about, that is true, and it would do us good to revise some thinking. However, it would do us well to remember that just a few months ago we were all wondering about the soul-searching that the Republicans needed to do, and to ask themselves where their party was going. The Republicans were asking themselves, as well. This win, while it seems comprehensive, isn't so much, though they will run with it. Hillary Clinton won a slightly larger percentage of the popular vote, and slightly more of the actually popular vote over Trump, in 2016, than Trump won over Harris this year. His victory was narrower over Harris, but in both cases he won where it counted...in the electoral college. (In 2016, HRC won 65,853,625 votes, or 48%; DJT won 62,985,106 votes, or 45.9%; in 2024, DJT won 76,384,730 votes, or 50.1%; KH won 73,677,904 votes, or 48.3%.)

This doesn't make a mandate, but it will be treated as such.
 
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I've said this before, but you surely don't have anyone who was a single-issue voter on the anti-trans stuff, or not enough to say so. (Luckily, Kieran doesn't vote in US elections.)

I wouldn’t vote on a “single issue”, silly. But this isn’t a single issue. It’s a mindset that’s arrogant, presumptuous, disdainful and prejudiced. The democrats mindset. The arrogant assumption that people will know that you’re the good guys, and so you can put forward lousy candidates, and so what? People will vote for them anyway, and so what if they don’t? These people are deplorable garbage, they ain’t black, they have a problem voting for women.

It’s the elitist ignorance that puts people off. You may say that you didn’t read the room, but that’s not true. You read your own room and didn’t care about anyone else. They were bigots, transphobic, racist, all the worst sort of people who weren’t “woke”, a term that you and others tried to treat as a benign thing with ancient origins that the garbage didn’t understand.

The garbage understood it perfectly. It was a lie you were all invested in spreading. And enforcing. And both physically attacking people, and attacking people in their jobs. Almost every big corporation supported this, Biden greeted it in the White House. It affects people’s lives negatively but your president had no problem with that. You went into cancel culture overdrive. So forgive me if I tell you that you’re still not reading the room when you say “It was drummed up as a bugaboo by the Republicans, and effectively so. They've drummed up a lot of them, and then continued to hammer on them, with a lot of lies, too, and they just get away with it.”

The lies were on your side. Own it. This is typical of what I’m seeing among democrats after the election. The others lied, we’re being misrepresented, we’re the good guys but we didn’t get that across.

You’re not the good guys. You were the enemy of Americans and you didn’t stop to realise it. You didn’t take time to critique yourselves. You let the maniacs run riot, and told everyone they were good.

It's also that Harris only had 100 days to mount a campaign. And it's also that the US is still not ready to vote in a woman. Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris were both better candidates than Joe Biden, IMO, but the only one to beat Trump was the old white guy.

There you go. Harris was a lousy candidate, a total fake, somebody who the democrats rejected in 2020 before anyone even voted in the primaries. A DIE agent. But okay, you think she was a good candidate - or at least, maybe not good but “better than Biden” - and you’re telling us that she’s lost because the electorate got it wrong.

They don’t get it wrong, how many times did this need to be said. They voted for their own self interests and it’s up to you to present them with somebody they can vote for. The democrats were irresponsible for not using the last for years to prepare for this. Not ready to vote in a woman? Hillary won the popular vote. Don’t be calling the electorate bigots, that’s part of why you lost…
 

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But this is why I objected to your posting that video, with no comment. You were feeding the troll, and you knew it. If it was a comment about why the Dems lost, it was chasing the lowest hanging fruit. I've said this before, but you surely don't have anyone who was a single-issue voter on the anti-trans stuff, or not enough to say so. (Luckily, Kieran doesn't vote in US elections.) I don't think anyone called it "nonsensical," at least not anyone who matters, but it was not unfair to say that it's not an issue that affects a lot of people's lives. It was drummed up as a bugaboo by the Republicans, and effectively so. They've drummed up a lot of them, and then continued to hammer on them, with a lot of lies, too, and they just get away with it. They built fears, and they fed them.
but this just shows that you refuse to accept the reality of what happened. First of all, that video contained a debate about the elections, I don't think there's a more appropriate reason to post it here. Secondly you continue to argue something that no one is contesting. No one is saying people voted against the Democrats because of trans issues. It's deeper than that, and I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to make the distinction. Republicans were effective, not just in the elections, but people like DeSantis have been pounding away at it ever since the Biden term started, in branding Democrats as woke, promoters of alternative lifestyles to the detriment of the majority. You might argue against it, but when a Supreme Court Justice candidate can't even explain what a woman is there's a PROBLEM. It matters. Let me put it this way... that sounds as batshit crazy to ordinary folk as MTG talking about Jewish space lasers. It might not to you... but to MOST people it's crazy. When that happens, then all the other good stuff Dems were talking about is lost. It's tainted.

I hope.. I really hope.. that once and for all Dems become the party of ordinary folk again. Pull your collective heads out of your arses. Having Musk be a voice of reason for the masses is like reading a future predicted by the step-child of Philip K Dick and George Orwell. It's terrifying
 
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I’ll just leave this here….


I watched all of this on YouTube, and it was typical Piers Morgan in the sense that he’s always delighted if there’s a bit of rowdiness, but it showed how oblivious the left are to consequences of the trans coup against gender and reason, and most particularly against women and gays. Aided, ironically, by former feminists.

David Pakman was particularly irritating, because after a smug start, his only contribution was to brag about his YouTube subscriptions, and then to cravenly ask an another panellist to be friends so their kids could play together.

:lulz1:


Whatever! He went downhill fast. The other leftist seemed more reasonable. Brianna Ru claiming that this is a terrible time for trans people (it’s not) interestingly laid the blame for the backlash squarely where it belongs: on left wingers using it as a tool to sow division.

They succeeded at that, and now while they survey the catastrophe they brought on themselves, they promptly deny that they were even there when it happened.

These things are not important when they’re kept in proportion, but the trans issue was allowed to spread like a bush fire, affecting politicians, big corporations, media institutes, the whole culture, universities and children in schools, and none of it positively.

I can’t look at that ugly flag in shops and cafes without thinking that some coward is displaying it to keep the mob at bay. It’s senseless, at this stage, but they’ve lobbied hard and violently to get this far, and they’ve created a new language to support their case, changed the meaning of old words, and swept governments up everywhere, all of these cynically hoping that this wasn’t some sort of cultural Ponzi scheme…
 
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but this just shows that you refuse to accept the reality of what happened. First of all, that video contained a debate about the elections, I don't think there's a more appropriate reason to post it here. Secondly you continue to argue something that no one is contesting. No one is saying people voted against the Democrats because of trans issues. It's deeper than that, and I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to make the distinction. Republicans were effective, not just in the elections, but people like DeSantis have been pounding away at it ever since the Biden term started, in branding Democrats as woke, promoters of alternative lifestyles to the detriment of the majority. You might argue against it, but when a Supreme Court Justice candidate can't even explain what a woman is there's a PROBLEM. It matters. Let me put it this way... that sounds as batshit crazy to ordinary folk as MTG talking about Jewish space lasers. It might not to you... but to MOST people it's crazy. When that happens, then all the other good stuff Dems were talking about is lost. It's tainted.

I hope.. I really hope.. that once and for all Dems become the party of ordinary folk again. Pull your collective heads out of your arses. Having Musk be a voice of reason for the masses is like reading a future predicted by the step-child of Philip K Dick and George Orwell. It's terrifying
I believe I said the same as you. I cop to the issues that Dems have been tone-deaf on. I don't think that the culture wars are the only reasons that the election was lost by Harris, though, so I added other thoughts.
 
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...left wingers using it as a tool to sow division.
This is where we completely disagree. You can accuse the left (or Dems, in this country) of accepting transgenderism to the point of overreach, but not of using it as a "tool to sow division." The attempt was at inclusivity, if sometimes misguided, in terms of the general populace and sensitivities. The party that was using it to "sow division" was the Republicans. They made more of it than actually affected people's lives, and then continued to pound at it. Even you should see the logic. Why would it suit Democrats to look to divide us on the issue? Because there are so many transgender voters? It doesn't make sense, if you take it to its logical conclusion.
 

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This is where we completely disagree. You can accuse the left (or Dems, in this country) of accepting transgenderism to the point of overreach, but not of using it as a "tool to sow division." The attempt was at inclusivity, if sometimes misguided, in terms of the general populace and sensitivities. The party that was using it to "sow division" was the Republicans. They made more of it than actually affected people's lives, and then continued to pound at it. Even you should see the logic. Why would it suit Democrats to look to divide us on the issue? Because there are so many transgender voters? It doesn't make sense, if you take it to its logical conclusion.

Come on, “even you” have to admit that just in the same way that there are people on the right who are wooed and turned on by dodgy dictators like Putin, there are people on the far left who have always been treacherous and trying to destroy the west. Stalin’s useful idiots. People who sow division through bad ideas, “mostly peaceful riots” and downright misinformation and lies. All in the name of compassion and inclusivity, no doubt.

What else are the new terminologies and ideas in gender but an attempt to divide? Enforcing language and pronouns and the rights of men to batter women senseless in the boxing ring is an attempt at “inclusivity” of what, exactly? Cancel culture and the sacking of uni professors and the silencing of dissent is inclusive of what? Giant chest feeder rapists in women’s prisons, what’s that, but an attempt to sow division, danger and destruction?

These are not benevolent Pete Seeger melodists singing Let’s Hold Hands and It’ll All be Grand. They’re vicious revolutionaries, their ideas are revolutionary, and they’re being enforced through violence and by attacking people who disagree.

“Why would it suit Democrats to look to divide us on the issue?”

The problem is with Democrats who think that just because “the left” are pushing it, then it’s automatically good and inclusive. There are people like this on both sides: they don’t question or hold accountable their own (as they see them). So when the far left pursue extreme agendas regarding race and gender, you’re so used to nodding your heads that you don’t stop and think outside the box and critique it. It’s easier this way, because to critique it too loudly and say, “no this is too much”, is to court trouble.

Because, to be clear, some people on the left do criticise these bad ideas, but they quickly get rebranded and discredited as being Nazis and far right… :facepalm:
 

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Well, the prophecies of doom for 2025 look to be coming true. That senile old fucktard Biden has authorized use of long range missiles into Russia so WW3 is imminent now. I had a feeling he'd do something nuts like this to stop Trump's peace deal. But yeah, orange man bad...

The NPCs asked for this and now they can be the first to munch on those nukes. Dumb, selfish bastards.
 

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This is an interesting take. Not sure if I agree. But the winners get to assert their view

 

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"Whatever! He went downhill fast. The other leftist seemed more reasonable. Brianna Ru claiming that this is a terrible time for trans people (it’s not) interestingly laid the blame for the backlash squarely where it belongs: on left wingers using it as a tool to sow division.

They succeeded at that, and now while they survey the catastrophe they brought on themselves, they promptly deny that they were even there when it happened.

These things are not important when they’re kept in proportion, but the trans issue was allowed to spread like a bush fire, affecting politicians, big corporations, media institutes, the whole culture, universities and children in schools, and none of it positively.

I can’t look at that ugly flag in shops and cafes without thinking that some coward is displaying it to keep the mob at bay. It’s senseless, at this stage, but they’ve lobbied hard and violently to get this far, and they’ve created a new language to support their case, changed the meaning of old words, and swept governments up everywhere, all of these cynically hoping that this wasn’t some sort of cultural Ponzi scheme…"


Brother Kieran ^ makes a compelling point in the above. I have felt the same for years now and I do know people that fly the flags demanded of business in this toxic cancel culture of the last ten years or so and it has bled into the national conversation and, even though it gets minimized as a minor or "trivial" issue by Dems and some posters here--it isn't. Folks are being required under threat of being cancelled to buy into all of these things hook, line and sinker or else. Are you a Democrat? All in with George Floyd, LGBTQPI+++++++++++++++, all in with from the river to the sea, all in with abortion on demand in the guise of "reproductive rights", all in with apologizing to the world for how awful USA has been throughout the "American Century", all in on how America is still backward and racist and misogynistic apart from enlightened enclaves in Seattle, Portland, New York City, Chicago, Boston and coastal California, all in with erasing history and vilifying historical figures because of things they wrote or felt two hundred ago that are considered anathema in today's woke culture, etc. I was not surprised Tulsi or Manchin left the Democrats. They permitted themselves to be hijacked by the far Left decades ago and that cancer has metastasized since the late Sixties forward. This is not JFK's Democrat party, and it is not Jimmy Carter's either. It really started running far off the rails during the Obama-Biden years--the Biden of 20 or 30 years ago would have been attacked often by the current version of his party (indeed many have done so over the last few years). The Democrats used to be the party that sold itself as standing up for the common man, the working man, labor unions, the Catholic immigrant minorities, women and winning elections by claiming that the GOP was the party of Goldwater and Reagan and that World War III was coming if you voted for them. My how the Democrats have lost the plot over the last ten or so years.

The common man, the working man, knows that racism will never fully go away because of humanity being flawed inherently (a discussion for another threat or another forum altogether as to why that is), but the working man looks around and sees that for decades now black and brown people routinely win local, state and national elective office, one is as likely to be pulled over by black or brown or even a female police officer as a white male officer for a ticket or to be arrested in their home for something, white, black, brown and Asian people go into restaurants and sit near each other all the time, businesses are owned by all kinds of people of all of different colors and beliefs, in some parts of the country people are quite accustomed to seeing people in areas known as gay friendly and they are accepted in the community and no one harasses them etc., but yet that is not enough for the ones within the Democrat party who assisted in helping it lose the selection. It is not enough to tolerate some of these things, but one must celebrate and if you do not celebrate, you will be facing dire consequences for not jumping on the bandwagon. It is not enough to acknowledge that black and brown people have made incredible progress in the last 60 years, you must still stick around and proclaim loudly that America is a racist nation, not that it was, but that it is and that the entire system is still racist and if you are not black or brown, then you are racist, particularly if you dare to question or defy these accepted conclusions of the people we are talking about. The people and, increasingly, the businesses are going to turn against this. Even Disney realizes it has gone too far when it starts creating remakes of movies with gay characters or now feels as though it has to create Snow White in a Hispanic image. It is not enough that they have created new and different characters from the Asian part of the world, black or brown figures with positive images, NO, NO--not enough--we must go back and revamp the past to satisfy the maniacs on the far Left. It is not enough that LGBTQPI+++++++++ are free to live as they wish, congregate in areas where many people who are like them tend to live and work, and to try to be happy and pursue the American dream as any other tax paying citizen of the United States of America. No, no – – now almost every commercial from a large corporate entity that will show couples applying for a loan or using medication from big pharmaceutical companies, in our films and television series must fully embrace and show case at every opportunity the requisite DEI and show that in the commercials and in the shows in the movies. Do not dare question this! But, see, the electorate has signaled that perhaps things have gone a little too far in that regard and they would like to see less focus on those issues and more focus on the working man, his day to day problems, less spending of money on others and on people who are illegally in this country when that money could be spent on improving the life of the citizenry, less spending at the federal level, rather than more taxation, and things of this nature.

The United States of America is more than ready to elect a woman to the highest office in the land. Years ago I thought Jean Kirkpatrick could have been the United States' version of Maggie Thatcher. Clinton came close, but Clinton was not at that time what Ms. Harris is today in terms of what she stressed and what she stood for. Furthermore, whether people like to admit or not, she was an extension of her husband's presidency and some folks were not uncomfortable with that. Furthermore, she was running against a person who had never held office and had a lot of personal baggage, so she could have won the election but for some of her insipid comments about deplorables and her stupidity in intentionally deciding to place a private server in the closet of her home in violation of federal law which really made her look like a hypocrite for calling out Trump for other things such as the hoax concerning Russian collusion, the hot mic issue, etc. after what her husband had been involved in while in office. Tulsi would have made a more compelling candidate than Kamala if she were still a Democrat. Nikki Haley would too, even now. If this had been a race between Kamala Harris and Nikki Haley, I believe Haley would be the first woman and Indian-American elected to the presidency. It is not that America is not ready to elect a woman, it is what the woman running stands for that determines if she is going to be elected. The USA may elect a woman as president in the very near future, but I feel as though it is not going to be any woman other than one who stands for the majority of people, particularly the working men and women. It could be a Democrat or Republican, but this woman will probably be considered a moderate or centrist of whichever party she is a member.
 
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"Whatever! He went downhill fast. The other leftist seemed more reasonable. Brianna Ru claiming that this is a terrible time for trans people (it’s not) interestingly laid the blame for the backlash squarely where it belongs: on left wingers using it as a tool to sow division.

They succeeded at that, and now while they survey the catastrophe they brought on themselves, they promptly deny that they were even there when it happened.

These things are not important when they’re kept in proportion, but the trans issue was allowed to spread like a bush fire, affecting politicians, big corporations, media institutes, the whole culture, universities and children in schools, and none of it positively.

I can’t look at that ugly flag in shops and cafes without thinking that some coward is displaying it to keep the mob at bay. It’s senseless, at this stage, but they’ve lobbied hard and violently to get this far, and they’ve created a new language to support their case, changed the meaning of old words, and swept governments up everywhere, all of these cynically hoping that this wasn’t some sort of cultural Ponzi scheme…"


Brother Kieran ^ makes a compelling point in the above. I have felt the same for years now and I do know people that fly the flags demanded of business in this toxic cancel culture of the last ten years or so and it has bled into the national conversation and, even though it gets minimized as a minor or "trivial" issue by Dems and some posters here--it isn't. Folks are being required under threat of being cancelled to buy into all of these things hook, line and sinker or else. Are you a Democrat? All in with George Floyd, LGBTQPI+++++++++++++++, all in with from the river to the sea, all in with abortion on demand in the guise of "reproductive rights", all in with apologizing to the world for how awful USA has been throughout the "American Century", all in on how America is still backward and racist and misogynistic apart from enlightened enclaves in Seattle, Portland, New York City, Chicago, Boston and coastal California, all in with erasing history and vilifying historical figures because of things they wrote or felt two hundred ago that are considered anathema in today's woke culture, etc. I was not surprised Tulsi or Manchin left the Democrats. They permitted themselves to be hijacked by the far Left decades ago and that cancer has metastasized since the late Sixties forward. This is not JFK's Democrat party, and it is not Jimmy Carter's either. It really started running far off the rails during the Obama-Biden years--the Biden of 20 or 30 years ago would have been attacked often by the current version of his party (indeed many have done so over the last few years). The Democrats used to be the party that sold itself as standing up for the common man, the working man, labor unions, the Catholic immigrant minorities, women and winning elections by claiming that the GOP was the party of Goldwater and Reagan and that World War III was coming if you voted for them. My how the Democrats have lost the plot over the last ten or so years.

The common man, the working man, knows that racism will never fully go away because of humanity being flawed inherently (a discussion for another threat or another forum altogether as to why that is), but the working and looks around and sees that for decades now black and brown people routinely when local, state and national elective office, one is as likely to be pulled over by black or brown or even a female police officer as a white male officer for a ticket or to be arrested in their home for something, white, black, brown and Asian people go into restaurants and sit near each other all the time, businesses are owned by all kinds of people of all of different colors and beliefs, in some parts of the country people are quite accustomed to key people in areas known as gay friendly and they are excepted in the community and no one harasses them etc., but yet that is not enough for the ones within the Democrat party who assisted in helping it lose the selection. It is not enough to tolerate some of these things, but one must celebrate and if you do not celebrate, you will be facing dire consequences for not jumping on the bandwagon. It is not enough to acknowledge that black and brown people it made incredible progress in writing so the last 60 years, you must still stick around and proclaim loudly that American is a racist nation, not that it was, but that it is and that the entire system is still racist and if you are not black or brown, then you are racist, particularly if you dare to question or defy these excepted conclusions of the people we are talking about. The people in increasingly the businesses are going to turn against this. Even Disney realizes it has gone too far when it starts creating remakes of movies with gay characters or now feels as though we have to creates no white in a Hispanic image. It is not enough that they have created new and different characters from the Asian part of the world, black or brown figures with positive images, know now, we must go back and revamp the past to satisfy the maniacs on the far Left. It is not enough that LGBTQPI+++++++++ are free to live as they wish, congregate in areas where many people who were like them tend to live and work, and to try to be happy and pursue the American dream as any other tax paying citizen of the United States of America. No, no – – now almost every commercial from a large corporate entity that will show couples applying for a loan or using medication from big pharmaceutical companies, in our films and television series must fully embrace and show case at every opportunity the requisite DEI and show that in the commercials and in the shows in the movies. Do not dare question this! But, see, the electorate has signaled that perhaps things of gone a little too far in that regard and they would like to see less focus on those issues in more focus on the working man, his day to day problems, less spending of money on others and on people who are illegally in this country when that money could be spent on improving the life of the citizenry, less spending at the federal level, rather than more taxation, and things of this nature.

The United States of America is more than ready to elect a woman to the highest office in the land. Years ago I thought Jean Kirkpatrick could have been the United State's version of Maggie Thatcher. Clinton came close, but Clinton was not at that time what Ms. Harris is today in terms of what she stressed and what she stood for. Furthermore, whether people like to admit or not, she was an extension of her husband's presidency and some folks were not uncomfortable with that. Furthermore, she was running against a person who had never held office and had a lot of personal baggage, so she could have one election but for some of her insipid comments about deplorables and her stupidity in intentionally deciding to place a private server in the closet of her home in violation of federal law which really make her look like a hypocrite for calling out Trump for other things such as the hoax concerning Russian collusion, the hot mic issue, etc. after what her husband had been involved in while in office. Tulsi would have made a more compelling candidate than Kamala if she were still a Democrat. Nikki Haley would too, even now. If this had been a race between Kamala Harris and Nikki Haley, I believe Haley would be the first woman and Indian-American elected to the presidency. It is not that America is not ready to elect a woman, it is what the woman running stands for that determines if she is going to be elected. The USA may elect a woman as president in the very near future, but I feel as though it is not going to be any woman other than one who stands for the majority of people, particularly the working men and women. It could be a Democrat or Republican, but this woman will probably be considered a moderate or us interest of whichever party of which she is a member.
I keep citing Margaret Thatcher on this thread as an example: in 1975 she became leader of the Conservative Party (and back then they earned the name) and in 1979 she became PM, winning two further general elections after this.

Of course America is ready for a woman president, but like the UK, they need a candidate they can trust. You can’t just put forward any woman and demand she win.

And as I say, it’s mind-boggling that Thatcher isn’t championed as the greatest late 20th century women’s icon by feminists everywhere, but I suppose that’s not because she wasn’t a superhero for battering the glass being senseless, which is what they say they want, but because she was a conservative, which displays incredible hypocrisy on their part.

One “feminist” even told me that this is because she didn’t help other women. Well, of course she did - she showed them how, and she promoted women if they were good enough, and not just because they were women, which would be disrespectful to the woman herself who got the job, and most especially to the electorate, who want talented people running the country, not underwhelming tokens…
 

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"Whatever! He went downhill fast. The other leftist seemed more reasonable. Brianna Ru claiming that this is a terrible time for trans people (it’s not) interestingly laid the blame for the backlash squarely where it belongs: on left wingers using it as a tool to sow division.

They succeeded at that, and now while they survey the catastrophe they brought on themselves, they promptly deny that they were even there when it happened.

These things are not important when they’re kept in proportion, but the trans issue was allowed to spread like a bush fire, affecting politicians, big corporations, media institutes, the whole culture, universities and children in schools, and none of it positively.

I can’t look at that ugly flag in shops and cafes without thinking that some coward is displaying it to keep the mob at bay. It’s senseless, at this stage, but they’ve lobbied hard and violently to get this far, and they’ve created a new language to support their case, changed the meaning of old words, and swept governments up everywhere, all of these cynically hoping that this wasn’t some sort of cultural Ponzi scheme…"


Brother Kieran ^ makes a compelling point in the above. I have felt the same for years now and I do know people that fly the flags demanded of business in this toxic cancel culture of the last ten years or so and it has bled into the national conversation and, even though it gets minimized as a minor or "trivial" issue by Dems and some posters here--it isn't. Folks are being required under threat of being cancelled to buy into all of these things hook, line and sinker or else. Are you a Democrat? All in with George Floyd, LGBTQPI+++++++++++++++, all in with from the river to the sea, all in with abortion on demand in the guise of "reproductive rights", all in with apologizing to the world for how awful USA has been throughout the "American Century", all in on how America is still backward and racist and misogynistic apart from enlightened enclaves in Seattle, Portland, New York City, Chicago, Boston and coastal California, all in with erasing history and vilifying historical figures because of things they wrote or felt two hundred ago that are considered anathema in today's woke culture, etc. I was not surprised Tulsi or Manchin left the Democrats. They permitted themselves to be hijacked by the far Left decades ago and that cancer has metastasized since the late Sixties forward. This is not JFK's Democrat party, and it is not Jimmy Carter's either. It really started running far off the rails during the Obama-Biden years--the Biden of 20 or 30 years ago would have been attacked often by the current version of his party (indeed many have done so over the last few years). The Democrats used to be the party that sold itself as standing up for the common man, the working man, labor unions, the Catholic immigrant minorities, women and winning elections by claiming that the GOP was the party of Goldwater and Reagan and that World War III was coming if you voted for them. My how the Democrats have lost the plot over the last ten or so years.

The common man, the working man, knows that racism will never fully go away because of humanity being flawed inherently (a discussion for another threat or another forum altogether as to why that is), but the working and looks around and sees that for decades now black and brown people routinely when local, state and national elective office, one is as likely to be pulled over by black or brown or even a female police officer as a white male officer for a ticket or to be arrested in their home for something, white, black, brown and Asian people go into restaurants and sit near each other all the time, businesses are owned by all kinds of people of all of different colors and beliefs, in some parts of the country people are quite accustomed to key people in areas known as gay friendly and they are excepted in the community and no one harasses them etc., but yet that is not enough for the ones within the Democrat party who assisted in helping it lose the selection. It is not enough to tolerate some of these things, but one must celebrate and if you do not celebrate, you will be facing dire consequences for not jumping on the bandwagon. It is not enough to acknowledge that black and brown people it made incredible progress in writing so the last 60 years, you must still stick around and proclaim loudly that American is a racist nation, not that it was, but that it is and that the entire system is still racist and if you are not black or brown, then you are racist, particularly if you dare to question or defy these excepted conclusions of the people we are talking about. The people in increasingly the businesses are going to turn against this. Even Disney realizes it has gone too far when it starts creating remakes of movies with gay characters or now feels as though we have to creates no white in a Hispanic image. It is not enough that they have created new and different characters from the Asian part of the world, black or brown figures with positive images, know now, we must go back and revamp the past to satisfy the maniacs on the far Left. It is not enough that LGBTQPI+++++++++ are free to live as they wish, congregate in areas where many people who were like them tend to live and work, and to try to be happy and pursue the American dream as any other tax paying citizen of the United States of America. No, no – – now almost every commercial from a large corporate entity that will show couples applying for a loan or using medication from big pharmaceutical companies, in our films and television series must fully embrace and show case at every opportunity the requisite DEI and show that in the commercials and in the shows in the movies. Do not dare question this! But, see, the electorate has signaled that perhaps things of gone a little too far in that regard and they would like to see less focus on those issues in more focus on the working man, his day to day problems, less spending of money on others and on people who are illegally in this country when that money could be spent on improving the life of the citizenry, less spending at the federal level, rather than more taxation, and things of this nature.

The United States of America is more than ready to elect a woman to the highest office in the land. Years ago I thought Jean Kirkpatrick could have been the United State's version of Maggie Thatcher. Clinton came close, but Clinton was not at that time what Ms. Harris is today in terms of what she stressed and what she stood for. Furthermore, whether people like to admit or not, she was an extension of her husband's presidency and some folks were not uncomfortable with that. Furthermore, she was running against a person who had never held office and had a lot of personal baggage, so she could have one election but for some of her insipid comments about deplorables and her stupidity in intentionally deciding to place a private server in the closet of her home in violation of federal law which really make her look like a hypocrite for calling out Trump for other things such as the hoax concerning Russian collusion, the hot mic issue, etc. after what her husband had been involved in while in office. Tulsi would have made a more compelling candidate than Kamala if she were still a Democrat. Nikki Haley would too, even now. If this had been a race between Kamala Harris and Nikki Haley, I believe Haley would be the first woman and Indian-American elected to the presidency. It is not that America is not ready to elect a woman, it is what the woman running stands for that determines if she is going to be elected. The USA may elect a woman as president in the very near future, but I feel as though it is not going to be any woman other than one who stands for the majority of people, particularly the working men and women. It could be a Democrat or Republican, but this woman will probably be considered a moderate or us interest of whichever party of which she is a member.
I feel pretty confident predicting that the first woman President will be a Republican.

I don't think progressives understand how dystopian some of their thinking has become. In the UK, NOW, people are getting jailed for social media posts. And some of them far less dangerous than one might think. It is mad! People have been arrested for silently praying in front of abortion clinics. This is not freedom. Freedom is GONE! I'm no fan of the extremes that Musk has permitted on X, but if it's a choice between that or people getting arrested for filming a pro-Palestine protest then... I'll take X! We see similar type things in Canada. A father getting jail time for refusing to acknowledge his teenage daughter's sex change. Protesting truck driver's getting de-banked. This is not NORMAL. Wait until your freedoms are taken away for something you believe in, and then you'll understand how priceless freedom is:facepalm:
 

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^ I did a quick edit for a number of spelling and contextual errors. Sorry about that.
 
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I feel pretty confident predicting that the first woman President will be a Republican.

I don't think progressives understand how dystopian some of their thinking has become. In the UK, NOW, people are getting jailed for social media posts. And some of them far less dangerous than one might think. It is mad! People have been arrested for silently praying in front of abortion clinics. This is not freedom. Freedom is GONE! I'm no fan of the extremes that Musk has permitted on X, but if it's a choice between that or people getting arrested for filming a pro-Palestine protest then... I'll take X! We see similar type things in Canada. A father getting jail time for refusing to acknowledge his teenage daughter's sex change. Protesting truck driver's getting de-banked. This is not NORMAL. Wait until your freedoms are taken away for something you believe in, and then you'll understand how priceless freedom is:facepalm:
Tulsi Gabbard. That woman is sharp! And not a pro war pos either.
 
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just following on from my previous comment about the left in the UK. A friend of mine sent this to me today...

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