US Politics Thread

[don_fabio]

Ultimately this was proof that Bill Maher was right: Biden will be known as Ruth Biden Ginsberg. He stayed in office way too long, handicapping the Democrats’ ability to have taken the required steps to have succeeded. If he had stated he wasn’t going to run again in, say, the Spring, the Democrats would have had time to have organized a proper primary, vs. only having had enough time to have gone with Harris. I don’t look back fondly on Ginsberg for having stayed too long, thus allowing the next President to have appointed her replacement, and I’m already not looking back fondly on Biden for have not realized much sooner he shouldn’t have sought reelection.

This IMO played the biggest part why Democrats lost. There was simply not enough time to introduce a "fresh" new candidate and get average American to know him. Trump was elected before so why not have him again. It's a safe option.

 

[Kieran]

I don't know that it's fair to say the Democrats will blame everyone but themselves. Especially when the Republicans and Trump blamed everything but themselves for 2020, including election fraud. And, never minding blame, why do YOU think Harris lost?

I mean, this is Harris.



She’s the most fake person I ever see run for office. That’s not only embarrassing, it’s schizophrenic. They had to have known that she was awful, but it’s possible they thought it didn’t matter, she ticked boxes, and that matters to them. They probably thought it mattered to the electorate too.

Identity politics got a kick in the balls yesterday, and that’s very good for your country..

 

[Kieran]

This IMO played the biggest part why Democrats lost. There was simply not enough time to introduce a "fresh" new candidate and get average American to know him. Trump was elected before so why not have him again. It's a safe option.

She was introduced to Americans 4 years ago during the democrats primaries and Democrats rejected her completely, without a sniff. So why did they not plan ahead four years ago, as @tented said, knowing she was next in line? How they thought she should be veep is anyone’s guess, it can only be based on ticking boxes..

 

[Front242]

She was introduced to Americans 4 years ago during the democrats primaries and Democrats rejected her completely, without a sniff. So why did they not plan ahead four years ago, as @tented said, knowing she was next in line? How they thought she should be veep is anyone’s guess, it can only be based on ticking boxes..

Biden said it himself. DEI hire. Nothing else...

 

[Front242]

Tim Walz is a laughing stock as well. Clown said at a rally "We can't take 4 more years of this." Damn right, clown. They were the current party at the time. Haha.

 

[shawnbm]

At the end of the day, folks here have not much enjoyed the last four years under Biden-Harris. Transitory inflation turned to over three years of it, immigration (which was under control when they took office) immediately spiraled out of control and lasted for years with millions of illegals pouring in and then getting shipped here and there to unwary communities. They were incentivized by the change in immigration policy from the top. Russia said, okay, let's go roll into Ukraine--Biden and his minions are predictable and not like the prior folks. Now North Koreans are over there fighting too. China has only increased its bravado via military operations around Taiwan and has antagonized the entire area, all while building up their presence and influence over the West in Africa and the Middle East. Iran is stronger now than when Biden took office--Obama and Biden foolishly put their spin on international law vis-a-vis Iran over national and Israeli security and here we are. We don't even have to reach the insipid pandering to all things DEI, even though that experiment is proving overwrought and overdone and tiresome. Hasn't helped the Democrat machine much. The people did not support her as she was basically thrown at them at the last minute because anyone will do when the Orange Man is on the other side.

 

[Front242]

It's you who don't understand the concept of election interference or vote rigging, and stop moving the goal posts. When people tell you the 2020 election wasn't rigged, you start talking about defamatory language, which is not the same thing. And you blissfully overlook all of the defamatory language that Trump and Vance have used for Harris.

No one needs to edit Trump's speeches to make him look worse. And he scrambles his own words. Not all of us just watch clips from the internet...some of us listen to entire speeches. We can hear it for ourselves. He has made claims and said things that you simply choose not to believe. That's on you.

As to actual election interference, I guess you never watched that 60 Minutes piece that @tented posted. It's only 13 minutes of your life, and you might learn something. Oh, but, no...I forgot. Election rigging is all in the past, now that Trump won.

Either our elections are free and fair, or they're not. You don't get to pick and choose, depending on if your candidate wins. Remember that Trump never contested a single outcome in 2020 that he won. That would have shown that he really didn't believe in it.

You like to make incorrect assumptions about people, don't you ? You're not alone on that here either. I DID watch it actually, the day tented posted it. ALL of it. I also don't agree with it. Also, you might not have noticed but I sure did but when you watch from 8:07 when he's asked about millions of illegal immigrants being able to vote he stops eye contact, a clear sign of lying. It is a lie also. See the links below about CA. This clip is from the same "good people" at CBS 60 minutes we're talking about who are the leftist editing scum. Here's a prime example of the leftist clowns editing Harris. There's a huge difference between calling someone dumb/an idiot when they are versus calling them Hitler btw which is utter defamation. It's laughable how many NPC clowns out there believe he said to inject bleach if you get covid and britbox has already posted about this obvious lie yesterday.

Election rigging is most definitely not all in the past. I hope they do a thorough investigation. Election interference is a despicable tactic and it does result in rigging. Just imagine how many may have been on the fence about Trump but bought the media's lies about him and decided to vote for Harris instead.

https://ktla.com/news/california/election-2024/do-you-need-an-id-to-vote-in-california/

New California Law Prohibits Localities From Imposing Their Own Voter ID Requirements | Perkins Coie

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

perkinscoie.com

"California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls."

So the part where he turns away as I said in the video above from 8:07 is a lie and that's why he stopped eye contact.

 

[mrzz]

You like to make incorrect assumptions about people, don't you ? You're not alone on that here either. I DID watch it actually, the day tented posted it. ALL of it. I also don't agree with it. Also, you might not have noticed but I sure did but when you watch from 8:07 when he's asked about millions of illegal immigrants being able to vote he stops eye contact, a clear sign of lying. It is a lie also. See the links below about CA. This clip is from the same "good people" at CBS 60 minutes we're talking about who are the leftist editing scum. Here's a prime example of the leftist clowns editing Harris. There's a huge difference between calling someone dumb/an idiot when they are versus calling them Hitler btw which is utter defamation. It's laughable how many NPC clowns out there believe he said to inject bleach if you get covid and britbox has already posted about this obvious lie yesterday.

Election rigging is most definitely not all in the past. I hope they do a thorough investigation. Election interference is a despicable tactic and it does result in rigging. Just imagine how many may have been on the fence about Trump but bought the media's lies about him and decided to vote for Harris instead.

https://ktla.com/news/california/election-2024/do-you-need-an-id-to-vote-in-california/

New California Law Prohibits Localities From Imposing Their Own Voter ID Requirements | Perkins Coie

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

perkinscoie.com

"California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls."

So the part where he turns away as I said in the video above from 8:07 is a lie and that's why he stopped eye contact.

Front, while I do not agree with you (broadly speaking) about election fraud, your post got me curious.

I do know in quite detail the Brazilian case, where people from our indigenous right have been claiming fraud for ages, and while it is completely different from the American system, I can tell you with complete certainty that accusers here failed to produce any credible evidence. In the Brazilian case, I read the official documents, read the transcripts of the public sessions comissioning the eletronic ballot boxes, read the technical documentation, and read the accusing reports. My conclusion was that the people accusing of fraud here simply did not understand the system to begin with (to be fair, I still want to better check the argument one person made regarding statistical distribution of votes).

Back to the American case: the lack of eye contatc following 8:07 in the video (which I liked, to be honest) is indeed a nice catch, but you have to admit that this is scarce evidence to build a case. However, I am curious about what this California state bill 1174 means in practical terms (I read the link). It is not clear to me if California demands or not ID for voters, since in the article endnote [1] explicitely says that a valid California driver’s license or identification card number is needed in order to register to vote. So, what are we saying here? That in California some dude can simply show up, with absolutely no ID at all, and vote? But he needs to be previously registered, correct? And to be registered he needed to show up previsouly with some sort of ID.

So, in the worst case scenario someone could register previously with some fake ID and then anyone else could show up in the election day and vote for that (fake) registered voter. If that is the case, this is Fraud Avenue. However, if that is the case (or if it will be the case at some point), it is/will be extremely easy to prove fraud. I guess locals could help us clarify that.

 

[Front242]

Front, while I do not agree with you (broadly speaking) about election fraud, your post got me curious.

I do know in quite detail the Brazilian case, where people from our indigenous right have been claiming fraud for ages, and while it is completely different from the American system, I can tell you with complete certainty that accusers here failed to produce any credible evidence. In the Brazilian case, I read the official documents, read the transcripts of the public sessions comissioning the eletronic ballot boxes, read the technical documentation, and read the accusing reports. My conclusion was that the people accusing of fraud here simply did not understand the system to begin with (to be fair, I still want to better check the argument one person made regarding statistical distribution of votes).

Back to the American case: the lack of eye contatc following 8:07 in the video (which I liked, to be honest) is indeed a nice catch, but you have to admit that this is scarce evidence to build a case. However, I am curious about what this California state bill 1174 means in practical terms (I read the link). It is not clear to me if California demands or not ID for voters, since in the article endnote [1] explicitely says that a valid California driver’s license or identification card number is needed in order to register to vote. So, what are we saying here? That in California some dude can simply show up, with absolutely no ID at all, and vote? But he needs to be previously registered, correct? And to be registered he needed to show up previsouly with some sort of ID.

So, in the worst case scenario someone could register previously with some fake ID and then anyone else could show up in the election day and vote for that (fake) registered voter. If that is the case, this is Fraud Avenue. However, if that is the case (or if it will be the case at some point), it is/will be extremely easy to prove fraud. I guess locals could help us clarify that.

mrzz, California as we all know is right on the border and they fast tracked tons of applications in time for the elections and guess what that resulted in ? A big blue vote for CA. Many internet pages will tell you they have more in common with republicans there but of course they paid back the demonrats by voting blue as the corrupt government incentivized them to vote for them to get citizenship. This isn't right. The amount of illegal immigrants entering the country is nuts and once they're in and get fast tracked citizenship they can vote in any state they move to and they're probably incentivized to vote blue.

 

[Moxie]

Front, while I do not agree with you (broadly speaking) about election fraud, your post got me curious.

I do know in quite detail the Brazilian case, where people from our indigenous right have been claiming fraud for ages, and while it is completely different from the American system, I can tell you with complete certainty that accusers here failed to produce any credible evidence. In the Brazilian case, I read the official documents, read the transcripts of the public sessions comissioning the eletronic ballot boxes, read the technical documentation, and read the accusing reports. My conclusion was that the people accusing of fraud here simply did not understand the system to begin with (to be fair, I still want to better check the argument one person made regarding statistical distribution of votes).

Back to the American case: the lack of eye contatc following 8:07 in the video (which I liked, to be honest) is indeed a nice catch, but you have to admit that this is scarce evidence to build a case. However, I am curious about what this California state bill 1174 means in practical terms (I read the link). It is not clear to me if California demands or not ID for voters, since in the article endnote [1] explicitely says that a valid California driver’s license or identification card number is needed in order to register to vote. So, what are we saying here? That in California some dude can simply show up, with absolutely no ID at all, and vote? But he needs to be previously registered, correct? And to be registered he needed to show up previsouly with some sort of ID.

So, in the worst case scenario someone could register previously with some fake ID and then anyone else could show up in the election day and vote for that (fake) registered voter. If that is the case, this is Fraud Avenue. However, if that is the case (or if it will be the case at some point), it is/will be extremely easy to prove fraud. I guess locals could help us clarify that.

In the US, the states govern their own election laws, within the context of federal laws, for federal elections. Many states do NOT require you to show ID to vote. However, you provide proof of ID, and in NY, at least proof of citizenship to register to vote. When you show up to vote, you can produce your voter ID card, which has a scannable bar code, or simply tell them who you are, at the district and precinct where you vote, and sign. Signatures must match. As you point out, there is the requirement to provide ID to register, but not to vote. Once registered, you simply affirm that you are that particular registered voter.

There are many safeguards in place. One is that the you vote in your district, and even here in NYC, your neighbors at the polls often know you. The main one is that, in all 50 states, it's a felony to register illegally, or to vote in any way illegally. This fact gets undervalued by those who claim widespread election fraud. Trump himself was yelling that we should go back to paper ballots, just a few days ago, when, in fact, some 95+% of the country DOES vote by paper ballot. It's a lot of smoke to work people up about fraud. He was completely prepared to cry fraud in this election, too, until he won it.

Personally, I think Front overstates the fact that the man in the video looks away for a second when he's asked the question about illegals voting. Many people look away as they consider a question before answering. But even still, as you say, it's not enough to build a case on.

 

[Moxie]

mrzz, California as we all know is right on the border and they fast tracked tons of applications in time for the elections and guess what that resulted in ? A big blue vote for CA. Many internet pages will tell you they have more in common with republicans there but of course they paid back the demonrats by voting blue as the corrupt government incentivized them to vote for them to get citizenship. This isn't right. The amount of illegal immigrants entering the country is nuts and once they're in and get fast tracked citizenship they can vote in any state they move to and they're probably incentivized to vote blue.

There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly, California has long been a liberal state. Usually, the most liberal in the US. This cannot be lost on you. Yes, it's big, and the interior tends more Republican, but it's certainly not "artificially liberal," via immigrants.

California does share a border with Mexico, and so has a long history of legal and illegal immigrants. But I'd be interested to know where you get any idea that people are fast-tracked to citizenship to get them to vote. Do you know what it takes to become a citizen in this country? It's incredibly rigorous. It takes years, even for people with the money to pay lawyers. Even for people legally married to a US citizen.

Try not talking out of your a$$ when it comes to these things. I know you read a lot of biased crap, but don't pretend to tell us how things work in the US, when clearly you have no idea.

 

[Front242]

Every country is corrupt but some are worse than others. Where I live to renew a kid's passport can take months but they magically make it appear 4 days later if you pay double for passport express. That's utter corruption. Top of the pile if you pay double. There are ways to get citizenship fast tracked if it suits them for an election year. That's not talking out of my ass, that's reality.

Btw it's rich being told I read a lot of biased crap from a demonrat supporter! The kings of lies, deceit, censorship and editing and anti free speech.

 

[Moxie]

Every country is corrupt but some are worse than others. Where I live to renew a kid's passport can take months but they magically make it appear 4 days later if you pay double for passport express. That's utter corruption. Top of the pile if you pay double. There are ways to get citizenship fast tracked if it suits them for an election year. That's not talking out of my ass, that's reality.

Btw it's rich being told I read a lot of biased crap from a demonrat supporter! The kings of lies, deceit, censorship and editing and anti free speech.

If you chose to believe that everything is corrupt, then you make your own self-fulfilling prophecy. But just because you believe it, doesn't make it "reality." I don't frankly care what it takes to renew a kid's passport in Ireland. It has nothing to do with voting rights and citizenship requirements in the US. Try debating your own points, rather than deflecting with off-topic issues, and sweeping generalizations of your own making.

 

[Moxie]

This IMO played the biggest part why Democrats lost. There was simply not enough time to introduce a "fresh" new candidate and get average American to know him. Trump was elected before so why not have him again. It's a safe option.

It actually wasn't a "safe option" anymore. I think @tented's point and disgruntlement was about Biden having gone back on his promise to become a one-term President, or an interim option. When he didn't leave the Democrats the option to an open primary, (and I also blame the party for that,) he left us with the aftermath that befell us. Too little time to mount a decent campaign. To be honest, I think it was the economy that lost us the election, rightly or wrongly. The notion that Republicans are better at it is an old saw, proved wrong years ago. Same as the notion that Trump is a successful businessman, so surely he'll fix it. I still think sexism has something to do with. But there is a general feeling of a need to change something, and Harris didn't have the running room, or wherewithal, to distance herself from Biden.

 

[Front242]

If you chose to believe that everything is corrupt, then you make your own self-fulfilling prophecy. But just because you believe it, doesn't make it "reality." I don't frankly care what it takes to renew a kid's passport in Ireland. It has nothing to do with voting rights and citizenship requirements in the US. Try debating your own points, rather than deflecting with off-topic issues, and sweeping generalizations of your own making.

I said they can fast track citizenship in an election year if it suits them and it does or did. That's not a sweeping generalization. I merely gave a similar example of how processes can easily be sped up by the government of any country if it suits them.

 

[Moxie]

I said they can fast track citizenship in an election year if it suits them and it does or did. That's not a sweeping generalization. I merely gave a similar example of how processes can easily be sped up by the government of any country if it suits them.

Show me where you read that California is fast-tracking citizenship. I'm telling you there is no such thing. Especially for people who just came across the border. People who come over on H1 visas, and the like, still take years to become citizens, if they ever do. I guarantee that you are making that up. Or better put, you read things that are untrue and simply believe them.

 

[Fiero425]

Show me where you read that California is fast-tracking citizenship. I'm telling you there is no such thing. Especially for people who just came across the border. People who come over on H1 visas, and the like, still take years to become citizens, if they ever do. I guarantee that you are making that up. Or better put, you read things that are untrue and simply believe them.

I've finally decided it's a losing battle to even fight these kind of folks! They make up $#!t as they go along, then repeat it over & over again! They begin to even believe it & are so self-assured & emphatic in their BS! Everyone knows Trump lied about everything including th implementation of Project 2025! The whole World will probably pay for the hubris in electing this monster! As a Senior, I won't have to deal w/ the consequences! It's been a trend of the last decade or so for the populous in different countries around the world to voluntarily allow miscrients to take over their gov'ts to shake them up! I thought Italy & England were insane enough, but we've done it twice! Well we got what we asked for! DJT won the popular vote, not just the Elec. Col.! So that means even the women who were given pleas to stop this from happening spit in our collective faces! They have no idea WTF they've just done! Repercussions will be felt for decades to come if we survive at all! I've stopped watching the news & will do my best to ignore anything political! Heaven knows what will happen! Good luck out there! We'll all need it!

 

[Moxie]

I've finally decided it's a losing battle to even fight these kind of folks! They make up $#!t as they go along, then repeat it over & over again! They begin to even believe it & are so self-assured & emphatic in their BS! Everyone knows Trump lied about everything including th implementation of Project 2025! The whole World will probably pay for the hubris in electing this monster! As a Senior, I won't have to deal w/ the consequences! It's been a trend of the last decade or so for the populous in different countries around the world to voluntarily allow miscrients to take over their gov'ts to shake them up! I thought Italy & England were insane enough, but we've done it twice! Well we got what we asked for! DJT won the popular vote, not just the Elec. Col.! So that means even the women who were given pleas to stop this from happening spit in our collective faces! They have no idea WTF they've just done! Repercussions will be felt for decades to come if we survive at all! I've stopped watching the news & will do my best to ignore anything political! Heaven knows what will happen! Good luck out there! We'll all need it!

Every time I try to appreciate one of your best rants, you manage to ruin it. Once again, blaming women for Trump winning. What about the 55% of men, overall who voted for Trump? 60% of white men. Women may have underperformed for Harris, but let's lay the blame where it should be...dudes. Give me a miss with your constantly complaining about how women vote. Men have a stake in this race, too, and don't just keep giving them a pass. We can't do it by ourselves.

 

[Kieran]

Every time I try to appreciate one of your best rants, you manage to ruin it. Once again, blaming women for Trump winning. What about the 55% of men, overall who voted for Trump? 60% of white men. Women may have underperformed for Harris, but let's lay the blame where it should be...dudes. Give me a miss with your constantly complaining about how women vote. Men have a stake in this race, too, and don't just keep giving them a pass. We can't do it by ourselves.

I know what you’re trying to say but you can’t blame the electorate when you lose an election. Give them a candidate that’s worth voting for and they’ll vote for her, or him, based on what they feel is good for themselves and the country.

Blaming the electorate isn’t the way, these days. They voted in Obama twice, Biden got a huge mandate last time. In the UK, the Conservatives have had 3 women PM’s - including the incredible Margaret Thatcher who forcefully busted through the glass ceiling way back in the seventies (why she isn’t the ultimate feminist icon, I haven’t a clue) - and they just selected a black woman to lead them, based on merit, not on her ethnicity.

The Labour Party in the UK haven’t even had a single woman leader, but the toxicity of the left when it comes to race and gender is well known…

 

[Federberg]

Hello folks. I decided months ago to just back out of discussing US politics on the forum. As you all know I loathe Trump with a passion. I wanted him to lose. If I'm being honest the reason I withdrew from chatting was because I was so terrified that he would win. I'm devastated for the Ukrainians, I'm worried for NATO. But I'm man enough to accept the L. I've gone back reading some of my comments on this and the political correctness forums. In a funny way I actually anticipated this, albeit sub-consciously. I know some will say that Kamala lost, or Biden lost. Well.. yes I guess so, but to me, it goes back to the issue I and others have ranted about for years. I think the Democratic Party's brand has been damaged by wokeness. I know some will not want to acknowledge this, but I think more so than Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, the Democratic Party itself, specifically, lost. And this below could have been said by me... in fact, looking back at some of my arguments... I kinda did...