US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

You haven’t heard of the Michelle Obama is a man rumours? Preceded by President Obama is gay. Preceded by he’s Muslim and Kenyan. There are parts of the web you need to step carefully when near. You never know what might cling on to you!

Boy, I hope this isn't what everyone around here means when they suggest I expand my news sources.

That's sort of classic, from a certain kind of mindset, to "emasculate" men you fear by calling them "gay." Front used to try it all the time with Rafa until tented told him that Nadal did nothing to light up his gaydar. And strong women are actually men. Or lesbians. Or running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor in DC. It all says more about the person that thinks it up, or that repeats it, than anything else.

 

[Front242]

lol! Mate he's a step slower but all this stuff about cognitive decline is fake news to me. The man has been stumbling his words for years. He's a stutterer. The decisions, particularly on foreign policy which have been effective, but also how he's masterfully handled the legislature is not a sign of decline. On the other hand we have a convicted sexual assaulter and fraud who can't make a distinction between Pelosi and Haley. A man who doesn't know about WW2. A man who wishes for a depression in the US this year, who is trying to stop historic immigration legislation that would never happen if he's back in the WH. But I'm not a voter.

I think Biden will beat him going away. Let's see what happens!

Ah please about Pelosi and Haley and Trump getting them mixed up. They're very similar in many ways (not good ways) and both their names also begin with N. Biden was calling out in the crowd in public for his friend Jackie who died a month before this but keep telling yourself he's ok lol. Most parents have called their kids the wrong names at some point. If that's all you have to defend Biden with and to make fun of Trump, it's not a whole lot compared to the masses of embarrassing shit out there on Biden. As I said before, they're both absolute clowns but at least Trump isn't a warmongering pos. That's the bottle line for many people that decides between a safer world and what we're heading towards with Biden. When you have clowns like this trying to egg him on towards WW3 (please see below), we're all fucked and would be much safer under Trump. If Biden does pull out of the race and Michelle Obama steps in, we're not much better off seeing as Barack Obama was also a warmongering pos.

Also, so Trump is a sex offender but it's perfectly fine for creepy old Biden to grope other people's kids and sniff their hair in public?! OK...glad we have that straight. I think Biden will drop out before November. We'll see indeed.

 

[Front242]

Boy, I hope this isn't what everyone around here means when they suggest I expand my news sources.

That's sort of classic, from a certain kind of mindset, to "emasculate" men you fear by calling them "gay." Front used to try it all the time with Rafa until tented told him that Nadal did nothing to light up his gaydar. And strong women are actually men. Or lesbians. Or running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor in DC. It all says more about the person that thinks it up, or that repeats it, than anything else.

Please point me to the post where I supposedly called Nadal gay ? And who am I supposedly afraid of ? I mention Barack and Michelle Obama and somehow everything comes back to Nadal. There's more to life than Nadal...

 

[Moxie]

Please point me to the post where I supposedly called Nadal gay ? And who am I supposedly afraid of ? I mention Barack and Michelle Obama and somehow everything comes back to Nadal. There's more to life than Nadal...

The archives are available. I might be able to find some of it, if I ever got that bored. You made insinuations for a long time. T called you on it, and you posted, "I just always had the feeling that Nadal was either gay or bi." When an actual gay person told you he didn't have that feeling at all, you quit. I'm not bringing this back around to Nadal to no point. You have a history of calling out people as gay for no good reason. You seem to think that's an insult.

 

[Front242]

The archives are available. I might be able to find some of it, if I ever got that bored. You made insinuations for a long time. T called you on it, and you posted, "I just always had the feeling that Nadal was either gay or bi." When an actual gay person told you he didn't have that feeling at all, you quit. I'm not bringing this back around to Nadal to no point. You have a history of calling out people as gay for no good reason. You seem to think that's an insult.

I have a history of calling people gay for no reason ? Sorry but WTF kind of bs post is this ? I mentioned there is much on the internet about Michelle Obama being a man. There is, search for it. I didn't start this. Not me saying it, other people claiming it. Moxie, you have very serious problems. I most definitely DO NOT think this way and do not call people gay as an insult. I'm not 12 years old. Stop making up crap about me please.

 

[Moxie]

Ah please about Pelosi and Haley and Trump getting them mixed up. They're very similar in many ways (not good ways) and both their names also begin with N. Biden was calling out in the crowd in public for his friend Jackie who died a month before this but keep telling yourself he's ok lol. Most parents have called their kids the wrong names at some point. If that's all you have to defend Biden with and to make fun of Trump, it's not a whole lot compared to the masses of embarrassing shit out there on Biden.

Funny that Trump used the same defense...that their (first) names begin with the same letter. That is very weak. They are not very similar, in any way, except that Trump hates them both. He hates them because he basically hates women, and especially women that oppose him. They are not exactly polar opposites, politically, but pretty close to it. Don't forget that Trump nominated Nikki Haley, successfully, as Ambassador to the UN. Pelosi has always been his nemesis. And he didn't just mix up their names...he conflated Haley completely with Pelosi, saying Haley's name over and over again, (he loves to repeat himself,) saying she was in charge of security. Now, let's just be clear: what happened on Jan. 6th is pretty important to the country, and to Trump. He's facing charges on that. He needs to be crystal clear about what happened on that day. And, also to be clear, he did NOT offer national guard troops. Pelosi and others begged him to send the National Guard, and he did nothing. Besides the lying, turning Nancy Pelosi into Nikki Haley in his mind on that day IS VERY DISTURBING!

Other than that, @Federberg DID offer you a lot more to defend Biden, as to his record as current President. You're just choosing to ignore that.

And I'm not ignoring that Biden called out a congresswoman who had died, in a rally. Definitely thoughtless and unkind. Still, I don't see them in any way equivalent.

As I said before, they're both absolute clowns but at least Trump isn't a warmongering pos. That's the bottle line for many people that decides between a safer world and what we're heading towards with Biden. When you have clowns like this trying to egg him on towards WW3 (please see below), we're all fucked and would be much safer under Trump. If Biden does pull out of the race and Michelle Obama steps in, we're not much better off seeing as Barack Obama was also a warmongering pos.

Also, so Trump is a sex offender but it's perfectly fine for creepy old Biden to grope other people's kids and sniff their hair in public?! OK...glad we have that straight. I think Biden will drop out before November. We'll see indeed.

Trump IS a sex-offender. In SO many ways. You're not going to get anywhere with comparisons with Biden on this one. Seriously.

All of this talk of WW3 is something I see all over right-wing social media, and you parrot it. You've taken the position that Trump is a pacifist, or a non-interventionist. That might be true, on non-intervention. But your preference for a potential dictator over a politician surprises me. Trump sees himself above the rule of law, and keeps trying to get the courts to say so. If he gets back in power, there would be no stopping him. You may not care for US policy, at the moment, but woe unto all of us if the United States falls into autocracy. Until Trump, all US Presidents have believed that we are a democracy, believed in our Constitution, our transition of powers, that we are a nation of laws, and that no one is above the law. Trump believes in Trump. His party has allowed him the power to think so. Dante has a circle of Hell for the likes of all of them.

 

[Front242]

Funny that Trump used the same defense...that their (first) names begin with the same letter. That is very weak. They are not very similar, in any way, except that Trump hates them both. He hates them because he basically hates women, and especially women that oppose him. They are not exactly polar opposites, politically, but pretty close to it. Don't forget that Trump nominated Nikki Haley, successfully, as Ambassador to the UN. Pelosi has always been his nemesis. And he didn't just mix up their names...he conflated Haley completely with Pelosi, saying Haley's name over and over again, (he loves to repeat himself,) saying she was in charge of security. Now, let's just be clear: what happened on Jan. 6th is pretty important to the country, and to Trump. He's facing charges on that. He needs to be crystal clear about what happened on that day. And, also to be clear, he did NOT offer national guard troops. Pelosi and others begged him to send the National Guard, and he did nothing. Besides the lying, turning Nancy Pelosi into Nikki Haley in his mind on that day IS VERY DISTURBING!

Other than that, @Federberg DID offer you a lot more to defend Biden, as to his record as current President. You're just choosing to ignore that.

And I'm not ignoring that Biden called out a congresswoman who had died, in a rally. Definitely thoughtless and unkind. Still, I don't see them in any way equivalent.

Trump IS a sex-offender. In SO many ways. You're not going to get anywhere with comparisons with Biden on this one. Seriously.

All of this talk of WW3 is something I see all over right-wing social media, and you parrot it. You've taken the position that Trump is a pacifist, or a non-interventionist. That might be true, on non-intervention. But your preference for a potential dictator over a politician surprises me. Trump sees himself above the rule of law, and keeps trying to get the courts to say so. If he gets back in power, there would be no stopping him. You may not care for US policy, at the moment, but woe unto all of us if the United States falls into autocracy. Until Trump, all US Presidents have believed that we are a democracy, believed in our Constitution, our transition of powers, that we are a nation of laws, and that no one is above the law. Trump believes in Trump. His party has allowed him the power to think so. Dante has a circle of Hell for the likes of all of them.

Once again, I don't think much of Trump. He's a slimy, greasy, old degenerate who for whatever bizarre reason paints his face laughably orange but he didn't start any wars. That, for me, and for many, is a major step in the right direction. No one sane should vote for anyone who actively encourages the destruction of human beings but, sadly, those who voted for American presidents or presidents from any country who encouraged the killing of innocent people for financial gain need their heads examined. Federberg seems to think Biden is making the decisions on policies. I beg to differ. Do you seriously think this man is OK and is making the big decisions himself ? Be honest with yourself....

 

[Moxie]

I have a history of calling people gay for no reason ? Sorry but WTF kind of bs post is this ? I mentioned there is much on the internet about Michelle Obama being a man. There is, search for it. I didn't start this. Not me saying it, other people claiming it. Moxie, you have very serious problems. I most definitely DO NOT think this way and do not call people gay as an insult. I'm not 12 years old. Stop making up crap about me please.

Well, yes, you do. You just called Barack Obama gay for no reason. Sorry if I made this too personal for you, but why would you even bring up that you think Michelle Obama is a "man" and Barack Obama is "gay," if that didn't bother you? It's possible to say that you have read that Michelle Obama might put her hat in the ring without the other stuff, right? You say it because you oddly believe it, and you consider it insulting, or upsetting, and likely both. I don't know where you get your information from, but we have looked into some of it, and it's pretty suspect. On top of that, it's how you filter it. Or fail to filter it. The Obamas had Joan Rivers killed?!? Do you really just take this stuff on face-value?

 

[Front242]

Well, yes, you do. You just called Barack Obama gay for no reason. Sorry if I made this too personal for you, but why would you even bring up that you think Michelle Obama is a "man" and Barack Obama is "gay," if that didn't bother you? It's possible to say that you have read that Michelle Obama might put her hat in the ring without the other stuff, right? You say it because you oddly believe it, and you consider it insulting, or upsetting, and likely both. I don't know where you get your information from, but we have looked into some of it, and it's pretty suspect. On top of that, it's how you filter it. Or fail to filter it. The Obamas had Joan Rivers killed?!? Do you really just take this stuff on face-value?

You need to seriously stop trying to tell me and everyone here that I consider being gay insulting or upsetting and just stop trying to assume you know what people are thinking. It happens a lot with you and other posters as well. I've no issues with anyone being gay, trans, bi, whatever. Not even 0.000001%
I referred to Michelle as Michael as Barack Obama publicly said "Michael and I" at a speech before which to many seemed odd, especially with the rumours out there and I'd just watched a video by JP about Michelle Obama which reminded me of all the talk for years. Once again though, I've no issues with this. It's an observation, not an insult. You seem to think I do have issues with people being gay and you definitely like to tell the whole forum I do, but I don't. IF he's gay and she's a man, who cares. I sure as hell don't.

 

[Moxie]

You need to seriously stop trying to tell me and everyone here that I consider being gay insulting or upsetting and just stop trying to assume you know what people are thinking. It happens a lot with you and other posters as well. I've no issues with anyone being gay, trans, bi, whatever. Not even 0.000001%
I referred to Michelle as Michael as Barack Obama publicly said "Michael and I" at a speech before which to many seemed odd, especially with the rumours out there. Once again, I've no issues with this. It's an observation, not an insult. You seem to think I do have issues with people being gay and you definitely like to tell the whole forum I do, but I don't. IF he's gay and she's a man, who cares. I sure as hell don't.

OK, then, what I'll tell you is to stop posting false information. You DO believe a lot of crap that's out there on the internet with no validation. If you don't care, why post it? You do understand that it's easy to fake a lot of things, particularly voicing-over a video. And let's face it, you act like Michelle being trans and Barack being gay is a knock on them. Otherwise, why bring it up?

 

[Moxie]

Once again, I don't think much of Trump. He's a slimy, greasy, old degenerate who for whatever bizarre reason paints his face laughably orange but he didn't start any wars. That, for me, and for many, is a major step in the right direction. No one sane should vote for anyone who actively encourages the destruction of human beings but, sadly, those who voted for American presidents or presidents from any country who encouraged the killing of innocent people for financial gain need their heads examined. Federberg seems to think Biden is making the decisions on policies. I beg to differ. Do you seriously think this man is OK and is making the big decisions himself ? Be honest with yourself....

You understand why he handed the pen to Manchin, right? It's was a politically savvy gesture. Not sure why you think this video supports your case.

 

[Front242]

You understand why he handed the pen to Manchin, right? It's was a politically savvy gesture. Not sure why you think this video supports your case.

OMG, it's not the handing the pen, it's the demented empty look on his face. Are you seriously going to defend every goddamn thing he does?! He's completely lost while handing the pen. Look at this face and eyes.

 

[Federberg]

OMG, it's not the handing the pen, it's the demented empty look on his face. Are you seriously going to defend every goddamn thing he does?! He's completely lost while handing the pen. Look at this face and eyes.

I watched the video. Honestly mate I think that's just confirmation bias. That was smart politics. What I would expect from the President with the most savvy dealing with the legislature since LBJ.

 

[Federberg]

more stonkingly good employment numbers just came out (non-farm payrolls). The economic momentum is simply too strong to slow down appreciably before the election, and certainly there's nearly zero chance in the period when voters will make their minds up. All I can see happening between now and then is more and more folks realising that things are good. Meanwhile commodity seem well under control. In fact a lot of them are on the lower side. How can voters not feel good about all this? I find it hard to envision a scenario where an incumbent President doesn't benefit from this. Particularly if the guy who is his putative rival will never sniff the favour of more than about 47% of the electorate...

 

[Front242]

I watched the video. Honestly mate I think that's just confirmation bias. That was smart politics. What I would expect from the President with the most savvy dealing with the legislature since LBJ.

I'm sorry but I think you're both blinded for some bizarre reason Biden. It's nothing to do with handing the pen. Watch it again and look at his face and eyes. He looks demented. I've given up on this honestly. It's pointless. Savvy dealing ? Tell that to the tons of innocent women and children in Gaza blown up 'cos of his continued funding to Israel and refusing to sign a peace deal in Ukraine which resulted in ongoing pointless deaths of people being sent to their doom for a proxy war and not being able to define what a woman is . Yeah, he's the best thing since sliced bread....

 

[Federberg]

I'm sorry but I think you're both blinded for some bizarre reason Biden. It's nothing to do with handling the pen. Watch it again and look at his face and eyes. He looks demented. I've given up on this honestly. It's pointless. Savvy dealing ? Tell that to the tons of innocent women and children in Gaza blown up 'cos of his continued funding to Israel and refusing to sign a peace deal in Ukraine which resulted in ongoing pointless deaths of people being sent to their doom for a proxy war and not being able to define what a woman is . Yeah, he's the best thing since sliced bread....

I'm no Democrat mate. I'll admit, I loathe Trump. In my opinion he's incompetent, a liar and a fraud. I think a huge number of Democratic policies are bullshit. But this isn't about that. Trump is an existential threat to democracy and would push the world to another era of Great Power politics. Neither of which I consider good for the world. What blows my mind is that Trump's former Chief of Staff, Defence Secretary, Secretary of State, National Security Adviser and Attorney General... all of them... ALL! They all say that the man is unfit for office, is immoral and amoral, doesn't have the best interests of his own country at heart. How could I possibly consider him a viable prospect? How could ANYONE? How??

As for Biden? Not my first choice. I can think of a number of US politicians who would be preferable both in terms of policy and age. But that's not where we are. Given a choice between Biden and Trump it's a no brainer for me. Let me go further... while I completely reject this narrative about Biden being senile, let me put it in terms that leave no doubt. EVEN IF BIDEN HAD DEMENTIA, HE WOULD STILL BE A BETTER OPTION THAN TRUMP. Can't be any clearer than that

`PS, `I get the concern about Biden's age. In a country of 330 million people. How is it possible there aren't better options. But... ANY one but that orange turd. Just my personal opinion...

 

[Federberg]

^I should have added... if just one of those former colleagues had raised concerns about a President (any President!), in any other era that would have been a major red flag. We're way way way beyond that. This is a red flag dripping with blood and snake venom. I honestly don't understand how this could even be a discussion

 

[Front242]

^I should have added... if just one of those former colleagues had raised concerns about a President (any President!), in any other era that would have been a major red flag. We're way way way beyond that. This is a red flag dripping with blood and snake venom. I honestly don't understand how this could even be a discussion

Likewise. As bad as both are, I'll always side with the guy who doesn't end up with blood on his hands and Biden is the guy responsible for the massive numbers of pointless deaths. A no brainer for many based on that. I'll reiterate that it's beyond laughable the US presidential race is currently between these 2 absolute fucking clowns but not much can be done about that unfortunately. I still think Biden will drop out before November. I also note that the defense of Biden here is always people trying to lie to themselves and others that he's not senile (see how many people online call him an embarrassment to the US and those claiming he's not senile are in a huge minority and on cloud cuckoo land) and the fact that he's a warmongering pos is always ignored. I'll never be one to justify the deaths of innocent people so, as bad as Trump is, he's infinitely better than the other old clown based on that. The crazy cost of living in Europe is also Biden's fault as the US blew up Nordstream 2. Whatever people think is good about the guy is massively overshadowed by the death, destruction and financial difficulties he's responsible for...

 

[Federberg]

Likewise. As bad as both are, I'll always side with the guy who doesn't end up with blood on his hands and Biden is the guy responsible for the massive numbers of pointless deaths. A no brainer for many based on that. I'll reiterate that it's beyond laughable the US presidential race is currently between these 2 absolute fucking clowns but not much can be done about that unfortunately. I still think Biden will drop out before November. I also note that the defense of Biden here is always people trying to lie to themselves and others that he's not senile (see how many people online call him an embarrassment to the US and those claiming he's not senile are in a huge minority and on cloud cuckoo land) and the fact that he's a warmongering pos is always ignored. I'll never be one to justify the deaths of innocent people so, as bad as Trump is, he's infinitely better than the other old clown based on that. The crazy cost of living in Europe is also Biden's fault as the US blew up Nordstream 2. Whatever people think is good about the guy is massively overshadowed by the death, destruction and financial difficulties he's responsible for...

those who engage on the internet are not representative of the population. We can see this on both the left and the right. So I'm not sure that point helps your. argument.

I have no idea how the wars in Ukraine and Gaza are the responsibility of the US President. It almost feels like trying to have your cake and eat it. On the one hand he's demented and incompetent, and on the other hand he's some sort of manipulative warmonger. I think you need to pick one

This idea that Biden will drop out is part of the 'he's too old narrative'. Anyone who even wants to run for President has an unhealthy ego. In Biden's case it's worse. This is a guy who was laughed at as Vice-President. Obama supported HRC even before Biden had a chance to make up his mind about whether he wanted to run. It was clear Obama felt she would make a better President. On top of that when he ran in 2020 he was dismissed and underestimated for a large part of the campaign. Even now, many of Obama's people still have a lot of contempt for him. So much so I've often wondered what the relationship is truly like between Biden and Obama. You're trying to tell me that that guy. The guy who's been underestimated and looked down on by even those on his side. That guy... You really think he'll retire? Not unless you're burying him underground mate. By the time he's done, not only will he want to match Obama's two terms, he'll want to make a case that he's been a better President than Obama. I think Biden goes to bed every night and thanks the Lord that Trump exists. He ain't going anywhere mate. Not happening!

 

[Front242]

those who engage on the internet are not representative of the population. We can see this on both the left and the right. So I'm not sure that point helps your. argument.

I have no idea how the wars in Ukraine and Gaza are the responsibility of the US President. It almost feels like trying to have your cake and eat it. On the one hand he's demented and incompetent, and on the other hand he's some sort of manipulative warmonger. I think you need to pick one

This idea that Biden will drop out is part of the 'he's too old narrative'. Anyone who even wants to run for President has an unhealthy ego. In Biden's case it's worse. This is a guy who was laughed at as Vice-President. Obama supported HRC even before Biden had a chance to make up his mind about whether he wanted to run. It was clear Obama felt she would make a better President. On top of that when he ran in 2020 he was dismissed and underestimated for a large part of the campaign. Even now, many of Obama's people still have a lot of contempt for him. So much so I've often wondered what the relationship is truly like between Biden and Obama. You're trying to tell me that that guy. The guy who's been underestimated and looked down on by even those on his side. That guy... You really think he'll retire? Not unless you're burying him underground mate. By the time he's done, not only will he want to match Obama's two terms, he'll want to make a case that he's been a better President than Obama. I think Biden goes to bed every night and thanks the Lord that Trump exists. He ain't going anywhere mate. Not happening!

He's demented and incompetent - CHECK. I posted a video a while back where he was talking about bombing Belgrade at the time NATO blew the living shit of out of Yugoslavia so he's always been a warmongering pos. So there you have it: demented and incompetent - CHECK, warmongering pos - CHECK. This isn't a choosing game, he's both. He has the final say as he's the president but he's not the one pulling the strings, I think anyone sane should be able to grasp that watching videos of him. I posted the tweet from Lindsay Graham yesterday about wanting to bomb Iran. There are major fucking maniacs in the US, always have been. It's very clear how Biden is responsible for Ukraine and Gaza. A peace deal was ready to be signed shortly after the conflict started but Biden sent his puppet Boris Johnson over to Kyiv to tell Zelenskyy not to sign it. This has been posted already multiple times. The US are funding the genocide in Gaza by supplying military aid to Israel. Without the amount of money being pumped into their weaponry, this wouldn't be at the level of death and destruction it currently is. I realize there are lots of Americans on this forum and this isn't directed at them, but their government are utter scum and do not care one iota for loss of human life, in fact many of them actively encourage it which is disgusting. This is why I (and anyone who doesn't like killing) can't stand Biden.

Do you equate being better than Obama with killing more people ? 'cos Obama sure killed a hell of a lot of people with his drone attacks.