US Politics Thread

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
I would be more than eager to pay your bus fare to Chicago. I would like to have you go to 2-6 street and wear your MAGA paraphernalia.. Better yet, I would have you go to the West Side , Madison and central..a few of the GDs would like to hear you talking about how disadvantage blacks and Hispanics have zero chance in life due to their families' historical Democratic ties.

Lmfao.....brother, I have never had any problems relating to or communicating with blacks or Hispanics. I'm cool with them. My main targets have always been white Democrats.

That said, I would completely fuck you up if you ever challenged me face-to-face. I would do to you what D-Rose did to Conley's lame ass:





It would make my day if you can spend a few hours at Dusable Museum on the south side and educate the locals on Jim Crow laws. You are welcome to bring your hillbilly relatives or your extremely Right Wing racists amigos.

I'm not a redneck. Will Moxie condemn you for over-generalizing about Trump supporters? :face-with-tears-of-joy: :face-with-tears-of-joy: :face-with-tears-of-joy: :clap::clap:

This is the Chicago experience you have been craving. Send me a PM or your Cash app info..We can make this happen, dude. I can guarantee you safe passage with the escort of Chicago's finest policemen.

Two things.....

1) I wouldn't need the cops. I'd be cool without them.

2) The Chicago cops have more important things to worry about. I wouldn't want to take up their time. Thanks to people like Moxie being in power, they have bigger fish to fry:

Chicago shootings: 64 shot, 11 fatally in weekend violence
Monday, July 13, 2020

 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Wow, I suppose that's one way of looking at it, but it's pretty out-there. I suppose you recognize that I'm not a policy maker, so I'm not sure how these are "my ideas."

Your basic ideas about race relations are identical to those of Democrats - both black and white - in major urban areas. Your ideas have been in vogue for over 50 years in numerous major cities that have not had Republican mayors since the early or mid-20th century.

You still haven't really made clear what your thesis is for posting all of these random tragedies. You have policy complaints, and you hate the left, but what are you really trying to say?

That the core ideas of white leftists such as yourself for how to uplift and integrate poor black communities are entirely misguided and that they have failed and transparently continue to fail week after week, month after month. I am also arguing that white leftists are both incompetent in understanding black culture and not seriously interested in helping to uplift poor black communities.

It seems that you're saying that Black Americans don't have self-agency, and that their woes come from white Democrats.

I think both black Democrats and white Democrats are to blame for the problems of black urban America, although I would assign more blame to white Democrats given their comparative wealth, influence, and power. I would put the blame at roughly 60% on white Democrats and 40% on black Democrats. So I am not entirely giving blacks a pass by any stretch. I am simply saying that white Democrats ultimately have much more pull in society at large and that their (negative) influence has only been of benefit to the worst elements in the black community (i.e. the race-hustling scumbags like Sharpton). White Democrats set the tone with national education and governing policy that trickles down to everyone, including black urban communities.

That said, I am all for calling out blacks for their political choices. If you listen to MSNBC or CNN, you get the impression that blacks are still not allowed to vote in America and that their voices have never been heard due to "voter suppression." The reality is that blacks have voted in massive numbers for well over half a century, so it is fair to evaluate the consequences of their voting. By and large, their choices have been utterly dismal, and blacks are therefore responsible for at least some of the ills that plague their communities. If blacks are going to vote low-life dimwits like Lightfoote and De Blasio to power, then it's fair to call them out for making such asinine choices in their voting.

This is actually a point that Bob Woodson has made about why he left the Civil Rights movement. He has pointed out that the idea behind the Voting Rights Act when he marched with King was that if blacks got more of their own people in power, then benefits would accrue to black communities. But, as Woodson points out, the total opposite has happened. Blacks repeatedly vote for black Democratic leaders who scam and swindle their own people. This needs to be called out for what it is.

So let me ask you again: what is your actual thesis, here?

That the basic ideas (past and present) of the Democratic Party, particularly white Democrats, about race are entirely misguided and destructive. They haven't worked and they continue to fail right before our eyes. I especially am emphasizing that white Democrats are incompetent in their read of black people and how best to make the races co-exist in harmony.

You talked a lot about failed policies, but you don't explain why that makes you post all of this police blotter stuff.

It's to bring you back to reality while you pat yourself on the back for absolutely nothing, as you quote silly statements like "the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice." Little kids being shot in the face weekend after weekend in Chicago is not social progress. By posting these stories, I am showing you the reality of what is happening in the world, as opposed to what white women in their yoga pants in Starbucks are saying to each other about how cute and charming Obama is.

Make a clear thesis that we can debate. Up to now it's just been a mash-up of random acts of violence and your endless hectoring at the left. Try to have the back-bone to make an actual point.

That white leftists are incompetent in understanding black people, that their ideas about race relations are silly and fail before our eyes every day (as demonstrated by the heinous crime numbers in Chicago and NYC in recent weeks), and that white leftists don't actually care about solving the problems in black communities.

My suspicion is that you won't because either you can't, or that what you're saying is too obviously racist. So let's hear it: what is your actual thesis on this?

That white leftists are incompetent in understanding black people, that their ideas about race relations are silly and fail before our eyes every day (as demonstrated by the heinous crime numbers in Chicago and NYC in recent weeks), and that white leftists don't actually care about solving the problems in black communities.
 
Last edited:

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,018
Reactions
7,137
Points
113
Lmfao.....brother, I have never had any problems relating to or communicating with blacks or Hispanics. I'm cool with them. My main targets have always been white Democrats.


Are you assuming that because I am a champion of the African American plight, what makes you think I am as you say Black ? I may be the white Democrat that you despise.

That said, I would completely fuck you up if you ever challenged me face-to-face. I would do to you what D-Rose did to Conley's lame ass:
No, Cali..if I had you dropped off in Englewood,.your mom would most likely find you at John Stroger hospital aka Cook County hospital..My offer is true and authentic. I know if you spent any significant amount of time in Chicago, you would learn to speak with a better understanding of the city and it's people.







I'm not a redneck. Will Moxie condemn you for over-generalizing about Trump supporters? :face-with-tears-of-joy: :face-with-tears-of-joy: :face-with-tears-of-joy: :clap::clap:
You say you are not a redneck. Then what are you? Explain what has made you so protective of your white heritage..One thing I can say positive about you, you are open with your feelings. Someone like Carol is the WORST. I could drink a beer with you because I know where you stand which I can respect. Carol is the WORST.

Two things.....

1) I wouldn't need the cops. I'd be cool without them.

2) The Chicago cops have more important things to worry about. I wouldn't want to take up their time. Thanks to people like Moxie being in power, they have bigger fish to fry:

Chicago shootings: 64 shot, 11 fatally in weekend violence
Monday, July 13, 2020

 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
As Moxie would say, blacks are not a monolith. So let’s see what Candace Owens has to say about the NYC crime surge:


 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Nice to see Jake Tapper tell the truth about how full of shit New York and New Yorkers are about Covid. Pleasant surprise to read this here:





 

Federberg

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 22, 2013
Messages
15,554
Reactions
5,628
Points
113
Anyone else watch that Rose Garden speech? Just show it to anyone who says Biden is losing his marbles! :astonished-face:
 

Federberg

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 22, 2013
Messages
15,554
Reactions
5,628
Points
113
Thought this was a fantastic article...

How to explain systemic racism to non-liberals like me
Activists and supporters of the Black and Brown Unity March raise their fists in front of City Hall on Sunday.

Activists and supporters of the Black and Brown Unity March raise their fists in front of City Hall on Sunday. (Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images)
Image without a caption
Opinion by
Megan McArdle
Columnist
July 14, 2020 at 11:56 p.m. GMT+1

Why is covid-19 killing more black people than white people in America?
For many on the left, the answer is easy: “systemic racism.” That answer drives conservatives bonkers. Covid-19 comes from a virus; it does not care whether victims are white or black and, indeed, doesn’t have eyes to distinguish.

Conservatives, I understand why you feel this way. But on this issue, the left is, well, right.
Already, your blood pressure may be rising at the idea that the left might have something to teach you. Mine certainly does when people suggest I’ve missed something important. But give me 600 more words to prove that systemic racism exists and hurts people. If you’re not convinced by then, you never have to read me again.

Let’s start with what “systemic racism” is, which is not “systems full of racists.” Black people aren’t dying in such numbers because all or even most white people around them hate them and want bad things to happen to them. But they probably are dying because we enslaved their ancestors.

I say “we” even though my personal ancestors never, as far as I can determine, enslaved anyone or even set foot in the South. But I am a U.S. citizen, and the United States legalized slavery, even to the extent of helping some whites pursue runaways into free territory. “We,” as a nation, did that. They, as a people, suffered.

All modern Americans inherit a legacy stained by that suffering. But black Americans also inherit the suffering, which did not end when slavery was abolished. It went on and on, through the legal strictures of Jim Crow and through rampant private discrimination, which still unfortunately continues in diminished form.
Well-designed studies show that discrimination against various signifiers of “blackness” persist in our labor markets. That’s one reason black Americans are disproportionately concentrated in lower-skilled, lower-paid service and manufacturing jobs that require their physical presence, and where many of them were exposed to the coronavirus, while the whiter office workforce safely telecommuted this year.

Note that this could happen even if the people making discriminatory decisions have no particular animus toward black people. All it takes is a slight preference for people whom they perceive to be “like me.” That even slight preferences can cascade into dramatic effects is illustrated by something that many of us on the right complain about a lot: the left-wing skew in mainstream cultural institutions. The enduring legacy of slavery is a uniquely stubborn and pernicious problem in American history, of course, but some of the social dynamics operate similarly.

That is to say, media and academia aren’t leaning ever further left because a bunch of lefties got into a room and decided to oust the conservatives. Mostly it happened because human beings tend to think that others who agree with them must be especially fine people. That “affinity bias” influences hiring decisions, often unconsciously. The fewer conservatives there were, the more pronounced the skew came, a process that sped up as it advanced.

Now, of course, there is a muscular young generation that is explicit about wanting to “cancel” conservatism. But that’s a new phenomenon, and the tilt is decades old. If anything, the causation is reversed: Only when almost all the conservatives were gone did it became feasible to say that universities, magazines, awards ceremonies and the like should be explicitly left-wing projects. And if they do succeed, the skew will become self-maintaining; no one will voice a commitment not to hire conservatives, because conservatives won’t apply to places they see as hostile to their interests, their ideas, their selves.
If you understand how those institutions could arrive at a stable, no-conservatives equilibrium even without overt hostile action, then you understand part of the social dynamics behind systemic racism. The way small decisions cascade into major social forces is how Americans who profess no racial hatred — and declare their implacable hatred for racism in all forms — could nonetheless end up contributing to patterns of residential, educational and employment segregation that left the average black American with fewer opportunities for well-paid office work than the average white person.
We are interested in hearing about how the struggle to reopen amid the pandemic is affecting people's lives. Please tell us yours.
In a world with covid-19 racing around, that disparity isn’t simply unjust; it’s deadly. I think the public health experts who condoned protests against racial injustice, but not those against lockdowns, dangerously risked their credibility. But one part of their message was indisputable: Systemic racism kills.


One can acknowledge this without endorsing every solution advanced by social justice activists. But if you think that it is a major social problem when large numbers of people are pushed to the margins of important aspects of American life — well, then you should believe that it’s a problem even when you aren’t one of those marginalized. And if you believe in the ideals of the American founding . . . in the American Dream . . . then you should believe that we must keep working at this problem until we’ve finally kicked it.
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
This is positive...

In historic move, North Carolina city approves reparations for Black residents


No, it’s completely negative news. It is not going to help low-income blacks improve their lives at all and it is only going to increase black resentment toward whites. It’s a terrible idea, guaranteed to create more nasty division in our society.
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Thought this was a fantastic article...

How to explain systemic racism to non-liberals like me
Activists and supporters of the Black and Brown Unity March raise their fists in front of City Hall on Sunday.

Activists and supporters of the Black and Brown Unity March raise their fists in front of City Hall on Sunday. (Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images)
Image without a caption
Opinion by
Megan McArdle
Columnist
July 14, 2020 at 11:56 p.m. GMT+1

Why is covid-19 killing more black people than white people in America?
For many on the left, the answer is easy: “systemic racism.” That answer drives conservatives bonkers. Covid-19 comes from a virus; it does not care whether victims are white or black and, indeed, doesn’t have eyes to distinguish.

Conservatives, I understand why you feel this way. But on this issue, the left is, well, right.
Already, your blood pressure may be rising at the idea that the left might have something to teach you. Mine certainly does when people suggest I’ve missed something important. But give me 600 more words to prove that systemic racism exists and hurts people. If you’re not convinced by then, you never have to read me again.

Let’s start with what “systemic racism” is, which is not “systems full of racists.” Black people aren’t dying in such numbers because all or even most white people around them hate them and want bad things to happen to them. But they probably are dying because we enslaved their ancestors.

I say “we” even though my personal ancestors never, as far as I can determine, enslaved anyone or even set foot in the South. But I am a U.S. citizen, and the United States legalized slavery, even to the extent of helping some whites pursue runaways into free territory. “We,” as a nation, did that. They, as a people, suffered.

All modern Americans inherit a legacy stained by that suffering. But black Americans also inherit the suffering, which did not end when slavery was abolished. It went on and on, through the legal strictures of Jim Crow and through rampant private discrimination, which still unfortunately continues in diminished form.
Well-designed studies show that discrimination against various signifiers of “blackness” persist in our labor markets. That’s one reason black Americans are disproportionately concentrated in lower-skilled, lower-paid service and manufacturing jobs that require their physical presence, and where many of them were exposed to the coronavirus, while the whiter office workforce safely telecommuted this year.

Note that this could happen even if the people making discriminatory decisions have no particular animus toward black people. All it takes is a slight preference for people whom they perceive to be “like me.” That even slight preferences can cascade into dramatic effects is illustrated by something that many of us on the right complain about a lot: the left-wing skew in mainstream cultural institutions. The enduring legacy of slavery is a uniquely stubborn and pernicious problem in American history, of course, but some of the social dynamics operate similarly.

That is to say, media and academia aren’t leaning ever further left because a bunch of lefties got into a room and decided to oust the conservatives. Mostly it happened because human beings tend to think that others who agree with them must be especially fine people. That “affinity bias” influences hiring decisions, often unconsciously. The fewer conservatives there were, the more pronounced the skew came, a process that sped up as it advanced.

Now, of course, there is a muscular young generation that is explicit about wanting to “cancel” conservatism. But that’s a new phenomenon, and the tilt is decades old. If anything, the causation is reversed: Only when almost all the conservatives were gone did it became feasible to say that universities, magazines, awards ceremonies and the like should be explicitly left-wing projects. And if they do succeed, the skew will become self-maintaining; no one will voice a commitment not to hire conservatives, because conservatives won’t apply to places they see as hostile to their interests, their ideas, their selves.
If you understand how those institutions could arrive at a stable, no-conservatives equilibrium even without overt hostile action, then you understand part of the social dynamics behind systemic racism. The way small decisions cascade into major social forces is how Americans who profess no racial hatred — and declare their implacable hatred for racism in all forms — could nonetheless end up contributing to patterns of residential, educational and employment segregation that left the average black American with fewer opportunities for well-paid office work than the average white person.
We are interested in hearing about how the struggle to reopen amid the pandemic is affecting people's lives. Please tell us yours.
In a world with covid-19 racing around, that disparity isn’t simply unjust; it’s deadly. I think the public health experts who condoned protests against racial injustice, but not those against lockdowns, dangerously risked their credibility. But one part of their message was indisputable: Systemic racism kills.


One can acknowledge this without endorsing every solution advanced by social justice activists. But if you think that it is a major social problem when large numbers of people are pushed to the margins of important aspects of American life — well, then you should believe that it’s a problem even when you aren’t one of those marginalized. And if you believe in the ideals of the American founding . . . in the American Dream . . . then you should believe that we must keep working at this problem until we’ve finally kicked it.


That article was pure gibberish, reciting standard left-wing platitudes that have been in vogue for over 60 years and have resulted in total failure: the abysmal dysfunction of black urban communities and the vile self-abasement of whites to no avail. Like I’ve said, the only black people who benefit from the garbage you just posted are race-hustling scumbags like Sharpton and Dyson. That’s it.

White left-wing people (and the so-called “conservatives” who repeat their garbage ideas) are utterly incompetent at understanding black people and their ideas have utterly failed after 60 years of running the show in America.
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Moxie says she condemns generalizations about whole groups of people. Then will she condemn the National Museum of African-American History and Culture as well as the black actor Nick Cannon for their generalizations about/insults of “white culture” and white people?

And Moxie still hasn’t condemned DeSean Jackson for quoting Hitler on Jews or Stephen Jackson for backing him up. She also hasn’t condemned the Black Lives Matter activist in Canada who recently said white people are subhuman and exhibit genetic defects:





 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,018
Reactions
7,137
Points
113
No, it’s completely negative news. It is not going to help low-income blacks improve their lives at all and it is only going to increase black resentment toward whites. It’s a terrible idea, guaranteed to create more nasty division in our society.
Reparations for African Americans or as you say Black has been over due for more than 400 years. To close the division in the country the oppressed economic development model has got to show substantial growth.
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,018
Reactions
7,137
Points
113
Moxie says she condemns generalizations about whole groups of people. Then will she condemn the National Museum of African-American History and Culture as well as the black actor Nick Cannon for their generalizations about/insults of “white culture” and white people?

And Moxie still hasn’t condemned DeSean Jackson for quoting Hitler on Jews or Stephen Jackson for backing him up. She also hasn’t condemned the Black Lives Matter activist in Canada who recently said white people are subhuman and exhibit genetic defects:






Why is it important for Moxie or any one person to denounce the "words" of an athlete or celebrities who felt compelled to educate the world with their limited knowledge of the Jewish community. You don't spend any significant amount of time denouncing Rush Limbaugh or any of your extremely Right Wing racists big mouths.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Moxie

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
More evidence that masks are useless, from a peer-reviewed study published by the CDC itself:


 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,018
Reactions
7,137
Points
113
More evidence that masks are useless, from a peer-reviewed study published by the CDC itself:



If masks are unnecessary, you shouldn't have any problem going out to homeless shelters and volunteering your services to teach politics with a special empathis on the misunderstanding of the Jim Crow era.
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Funny how, despite his preoccupation with American politics, the anti-Trump mosquito Federbergy hasn’t mentioned anything in the last two weeks about this massive corruption scandal. If Trump or any Republican had done something remotely this corrupt, Federbergy would have posted endlessly about it:


 
Last edited:

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,018
Reactions
7,137
Points
113
Funny how, despite his preoccupation with American politics, the anti-Trump mosquito Federbergy hasn’t mentioned anything in the last two weeks about this massive corruption scandal. If Trump or any Republican had done something remotely this corrupt, Federbergy would have posted endlessly about it:



My Lord, Rep Omar is a very beautiful woman
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Why is it important for Moxie or any one person to denounce the "words" of an athlete or celebrities who felt compelled to educate the world with their limited knowledge of the Jewish community.

I wasn't just talking about Cannon's comments on Jews. I was also talking about his comments about white people. I wanted to see if Moxie was truly consistent in her condemnation of "generalizations." And of course she isn't. There are some generalizations she finds palatable and there are others that she finds repulsive. Her problem isn't with generalizations per se, but with certain generalizations that she doesn't like the sound of.

You don't spend any significant amount of time denouncing Rush Limbaugh or any of your extremely Right Wing racists big mouths.

Would you care to define "racism"? What exactly is it? Please give me a solid definition we can work from.

And when has Rush Limbaugh ever said anything about blacks or other minorities comparable to Nick Cannon saying that white people are subhuman evil and savage barbarians? And when has Rush Limbaugh approvingly quoted Hitler on Jews the way DeSean Jackson just did?
 

calitennis127

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
4,947
Reactions
459
Points
83
Reparations for African Americans or as you say Black has been over due for more than 400 years.


Do American blacks also deserve reparations from the descendants of black slave traders on the African coast who sold black slaves to the Europeans and Arabs? And do Arabs owe blacks anything, given how extensive their involvement in the slave trade was?
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
mrzz World Affairs 2450
T World Affairs 13
britbox World Affairs 82
britbox World Affairs 1004
britbox World Affairs 46