US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Why is it so important to Trump for the school to be reopen? Unless, Trump's plan is to " herd" the children together so they can go home to infect their parents and older relatives. This is like 1930-40s being reoccurring again.

This seems like electoral suicide to me. These are people’s children he’s trying to play politics with. I don’t get it

 

[Moxie]

Why is it so important to Trump for the school to be reopen? Unless, Trump's plan is to " herd" the children together so they can go home to infect their parents and older relatives. This is like 1930-40s being reoccurring again.

I have to say, I'm in favor of figuring out a way to get kids back to school in the fall. They are in a low-risk group for COVID-19, and they are in a high-risk group for the negative effects of not going physically to school. To name a few: some kids get their most nutritious meals at school; socializing at their age is very important, including, I've heard recently, the feeling of being surrounded by a sort of 'protective village;' too many kids don't have great internet or the tools to effectively attend school virtually; and there are many intangibles to be in the presence of the teacher, to learning, to protecting kids from unsafe home environments, etc. Also, for parents to go back to work, kids have to go somewhere. There are plenty of precautions that can be taken. There's a whole summer to figure this out.

What I am NOT in favor of, though, is the Trump mandate that foreign students at universities who are attending classes virtually have to go home. There is no need for this and it could be seriously detrimental to their education.

 

[Moxie]

This seems like electoral suicide to me. These are people’s children he’s trying to play politics with. I don’t get it

I made my case above. What is the feeling about kids going back to school in the autumn in the UK?

 

[the AntiPusher]

I have to say, I'm in favor of figuring out a way to get kids back to school in the fall. They are in a low-risk group for COVID-19, and they are in a high-risk group for the negative effects of not going physically to school. To name a few: some kids get their most nutritious meals at school; socializing at their age is very important, including, I've heard recently, the feeling of being surrounded by a sort of 'protective village;' too many kids don't have great internet or the tools to effectively attend school virtually; and there are many intangibles to be in the presence of the teacher, to learning, to protecting kids from unsafe home environments, etc. Also, for parents to go back to work, kids have to go somewhere. There are plenty of precautions that can be taken. There's a whole summer to figure this out.

What I am NOT in favor of, though, is the Trump mandate that foreign students at universities who are attending classes virtually have to go home. There is no need for this and it could be seriously detrimental to their education.

I agree with you that kids would be better served if they had a structure educational background during this pandemic. My point is the kids may be asymptomatic and the odds that they may bring it home exposing The parents and older adults to the Coronavirus

 

[Moxie]

I agree with you that kids would be better served if they had a structure educational background during this pandemic. My point is the kids may be asymptomatic and the odds that they may bring it home exposing The parents and older adults to the Coronavirus

I completely understand this point, and I think we all do. Another group at risk is older teachers. I don't want to see Trump and Pence bullying kids to go back to school by withholding funding for other things, but kids are a vital resource, and these are formative years. All choices are fraught with complications, but while we protect the most vulnerable from the virus, (which is not the kids,) we have to also figure smart ways of carrying on. In Thailand, they have groups of kids that go to school on alternate days, in order to distance them. That's a thought. I'm not saying you just reopen the schools as if nothing. That's the kind of idiocy that gets you new spikes in places like FL, TX, now Tulsa and etc. (Apparently AZ is a nightmare right now, and only getting worse.) But honest to god, if we haven't learned anything in all of this sacrifice about how to go slow but go back to some things that are important, I just don't know what.

 

[the AntiPusher]

The charges against all of the police officers should be updated to murderer One. This is why I am so disgusted with a moron like Carol. .No one should have to beg for their Life. Derrick Chauvin deserves to be executed.

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[the AntiPusher]

Trump.is bullying the CDC, the Governors , the Senate, the GOP and the entire country but lays down like the weak BiTCH he is vs Coronavirus. The Antichrist is upon Us . There's no future in being a nonBeliver.

 

[Federberg]

I made my case above. What is the feeling about kids going back to school in the autumn in the UK?

I think that there's an acceptance that the sooner we get back to normal the better. But this is in an environment where, despite some colossal mistakes, the government seems to have finally gotten on top of the pandemic. I think the situation is entirely different in the US. I do agree that getting kids back to school would be one of the most effective ways to get people back to work. But cases are rising in the US. Personally I wouldn't want my kids to be anywhere near a school setting right now, not until I'm convinced that they aren't going to get the virus. Trump wants to make policy prescriptions purely on the basis of the economy but he seems to miss the fundamental point, you aren't going to be able to reopen the economy until you're on top of the pandemic. I know you know this of course. I just find it extraordinary that he's trying to force parents to take a chance with their kids health (and we aren't even mentioning teachers who aren't getting PPE support!). How on earth does he think this will go down with parents? It's the most bizarre thing to see an elected official campaigning for re-election do

 

[the AntiPusher]

I think that there's an acceptance that the sooner we get back to normal the better. But this is in an environment where, despite some colossal mistakes, the government seems to have finally gotten on top of the pandemic. I think the situation is entirely different in the US. I do agree that getting kids back to school would be one of the most effective way to get people back to work. But cases are rising in the US. Personally I wouldn't want my kids to be anywhere near a school setting right now, not until I'm convinced that they aren't going to get the virus. Trump wants to make policy prescriptions purely on the basis of the economy but he seems to miss the fundamental point, you aren't going to be able to reopen the economy until you're on top of the pandemic. I know you know this of course. I just find it extraordinary that he's trying to force parents to take a chance with their kids health (and we aren't even mentioning teachers who aren't getting PPE support!). How on earth does he think this will go down with parents? It's the most bizarre thing to see an elected official campaigning for re-election do

I KNOW Trump.isnt missing the fundamental point. This is what he WANTS. Trump.is an extremely extraordinary dangerous devil of a sociopath. I think it's a disservice to humanity to classify his actions as those of a person who is making mistakes. Trump has been this way his entire LIFE. The American people in the red states and a lot in the blue states wanted a "White Lash". It was important to punish the US people for electing a Black President. Although she was qualified, Hilary and the Clinton's family.were despised by the far right and really a lot of white and black women who didn't agree with "her policies". The non Black and Caucasian Americans got greedy by voting for Trump because they didn't do their diligence by performing a proper "background check" on Trump and his crooked allies. The Russians saw a perfect opportunity to hijack the American election with their "Manchurian candidate". This pandemic is mostly likely a man made biological agent that has gotten out of hand. If you want to believe that this all of a sudden was something that spawn from a "wet market* in Wuhan then so be it. The GOP hasn't suffered enough but when they do, that's when they will distance and rid themselves of Trump..

 

[Jelenafan]

It’s a matter of money.

Who is going to fund the changes needed to implement social distancing, smaller classes, PPE , etc in the school districts.

 

[Moxie]

I think that there's an acceptance that the sooner we get back to normal the better. But this is in an environment where, despite some colossal mistakes, the government seems to have finally gotten on top of the pandemic. I think the situation is entirely different in the US. I do agree that getting kids back to school would be one of the most effective ways to get people back to work. But cases are rising in the US. Personally I wouldn't want my kids to be anywhere near a school setting right now, not until I'm convinced that they aren't going to get the virus. Trump wants to make policy prescriptions purely on the basis of the economy but he seems to miss the fundamental point, you aren't going to be able to reopen the economy until you're on top of the pandemic. I know you know this of course. I just find it extraordinary that he's trying to force parents to take a chance with their kids health (and we aren't even mentioning teachers who aren't getting PPE support!). How on earth does he think this will go down with parents? It's the most bizarre thing to see an elected official campaigning for re-election do

The least of my points about why kids need to go physically to school is so that the parents can get back to work, btw. But I think you also misunderstand that schools here are not controlled by the Federal government, so all Trump is doing is making a suggestion, in essence. I was really speaking generally to the welfare of children, but certainly every state and school district needs to make their decisions based on their situation. The CDC has suggested guidelines and changes to the physical school space and ways to organize differently, which Trump and Pence consider too strict, btw, and they don't want that to get in the way of opening schools. That is foolish and I don't agree with it.

 

[Moxie]

It’s a matter of money.

Who is going to fund the changes needed to implement social distancing, smaller classes, PPE , etc in the school districts.

If the government could bail out Kanye West, Shake Shack and megachurches, certainly they can come up with some money for schools, no?

 

[Federberg]

The least of my points about why kids need to go physically to school is so that the parents can get back to work, btw. But I think you also misunderstand that schools here are not controlled by the Federal government, so all Trump is doing is making a suggestion, in essence. I was really speaking generally to the welfare of children, but certainly every state and school district needs to make their decisions based on their situation. The CDC has suggested guidelines and changes to the physical school space and ways to organize differently, which Trump and Pence consider too strict, btw, and they don't want that to get in the way of opening schools. That is foolish and I don't agree with it.

I'm aware that Trump has no power here. What I'm confused about is why he would think that this is a winning strategy to win the vote of the parents of those kids. My point is purely about Trump's electoral strategy. It baffles me

 

[Moxie]

I'm aware that Trump has no power here. What I'm confused about is why he would think that this is a winning strategy to win the vote of the parents of those kids. My point is purely about Trump's electoral strategy. It baffles me

I guess we were talking across each other. I do see what you mean about it as a strategy, if it is one, or if it's just bumbling along with their same basic, unscientific point that things are fine, the virus isn't so much, etc. Because weighing in where he doesn't actually have the power of policy is risking that people might be put off that he's playing fast and loose with the health of their children. Not much to gain and much to lose.

 

[Federberg]

I guess we were talking across each other. I do see what you mean about it as a strategy, if it is one, or if it's just bumbling along with their same basic, unscientific point that things are fine, the virus isn't so much, etc. Because weighing in where he doesn't actually have the power of policy is risking that people might be put off that he's playing fast and loose with the health of their children. Not much to gain and much to lose.

exactly. He can't even do anything, but he still messages something that will freak out parents. It's like he wants to lose

 

[Federberg]

 

[Moxie]

exactly. He can't even do anything, but he still messages something that will freak out parents. It's like he wants to lose

Except he doesn't want to lose. He hates losing. And once he got over the irritation with the job in his first year or so, he began to enjoy the power. It has to be about his commitment to not being completely wrong about the pandemic. It's poor judgement, though.

 

[Moxie]

This is where the ramifications of having Betsy DeVos as Sec. of Education really screws us, same as having Trump for a so-called President during a pandemic. It was ugly before, but it really collapses in a crisis.

 

[Moxie]

This is it, in a nutshell.

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“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

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[calitennis127]

Fine, but it's one man's opinion, albeit a prominent businessman. He did mention that he's all for reparations, though, which you are against. No one has said that these gestures aren't all that needs to be done, but there are a great deal of African Americans who are in favor of removing the statues and getting rid of the rebel flag as symbols of repression.

And there are now a great deal of African-Americans who see everything in American history as "symbols of oppression," including the American flag, statues of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and even Mount Rushmore itself. Not only do I think this read of history is utterly shallow and stupid, but these modern-day African-Americans are essentially anti-white Nazis in their racial attitudes, indulging the lowest form of racial bigotry in which they define the group they dislike in the lowest possible terms at every turn. I see no good reason why this kind of hostility should be indulged.

Furthermore, I see contemporary anti-white hostility among blacks mainly as the byproduct of the idiocy, incompetence, and depravity of white leftists who serve as agitators. Given that I hold these white leftists in very low regard, I also don't think very much of the black leftists who scapegoat symbols as the reasons for very real problems in their communities.

Obviously, no group is a monolith, even though you like to think sol

Lol....coming from the same person who calls any media outlet that isn't the Washington Post or New York Times "far right." Sure, give me a break. You generalize non-stop.

Now as for your pseudo-intellectual statement that "no group is a monolith" - which you say as though it is some kind of profound insight - this is not only a completely obvious statement, but it is a completely trivial one and it is always applied selectively when someone like yourself wants to justify a certain position. Obviously, patterns exist in the world. That doesn't mean they are valid 100% of the time, but it means they are usually right.

Now if you want to talk about not all groups being a monolith, maybe you should consider the possibility that not all blacks believe Confederate and other historical statues need to be ripped down? Oh, but in those cases your "no group is a monolith" statement is inconvenient, so you would never say it.