US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

Let's just turn that on it's head for a moment: The Republican party, and particularly Trump have called out Colin Kaepernick for taking a knee during the national anthem as a specific disrespect of the flag, the anthem, and our troops.

That is a fair point, but just for the record I consider Trump's defense of the flag to be overly simplistic and muscleheaded. In my view the problem with Kaepernick's protest is not that he is disrespecting "the military" - an institution that has done immense harm to the world - but that Kaepernick's entire read of American history is distorted nonsense. I could not care less about honoring the military, when the vast majority of what it does is utterly wasteful and detrimental to this country's interests.

I also consider the major generals (such as Mattis) to be among the most contemptible and pathetic people in this country. Trump has learned this the hard way through his clashes with Mattis and the others. These old white male generals are welfare-dependent losers, simpletons, and wannabe intellectuals. I generally loathe them.

Oh, and one final point: the NYT story from Friday is already falling apart (see below).

Is this more of a disrespect of our troops than the President and the intelligence community not taking seriously an actual threat?

I would take this seriously from you if you condemned Obama allowing ISIS to run roughshod over Iraq and Syria, raping women by the thousands and also attacking American troops when they could. That aside, once again, this story is already falling apart. The New York Times is already walking back its claims from Friday, just as I predicted.

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops
June 30, 2020

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops

The New York Times subtly changed its story about intelligence that the Russian government paid the Taliban to attack American troops in Afghanistan.

dailycaller.com

 

[calitennis127]

To say that King wasn't a serious intellectual is not to have read him.

I have read him. I own a book of his speeches. What I find most appealing about King were his references to numerous stories of liberation and overcoming oppression from the Bible. But most of his political commentary was utter nonsense.

I don't know much about the rest, but remember, you are the man that has no problem with Wilson's racism or Lee's being a traitor.

Regarding Wilson: for the record, I loathe Wilson. He is one of my least favorite leaders in American history. I have little problem with him being dishonored because of the misery he wrought on the world through his actions during World War I. That said, I was making a broader point about how even a left-wing icon such as Wilson - who has been revered for the longest time at Princeton - is now being targeted by the wave that began with the attacks on the Confederate statues. In case you haven't been paying attention, there have been attacks in recent weeks on statues of Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and various abolitionists. This whole line of thinking is cretinous and philistine.

Regarding Lee: he was considered for over a hundred years to have been one of the greatest Americans by numerous prominent American leaders, including both Roosevelts, Truman, Eisenhower, and others. They all thought the world of Robert E. Lee. So my position on Lee is simply in line with what most people for 125 years thought of him after the war ended in 1865. You are the one who has a radical, distorted picture in mind of who Lee was. My position isn't even about deifying Lee. It's about defending him from absurd demonization by total philistines and cretins.

And you said that Lee was a traitor. A traitor to what exactly? The Union was never meant to be an indissoluble compact. If that's how it had been designed, the 13 colonies never would have agreed to join. Not one of the colonies would have agreed to the Constitution in 1787 if leaving would have meant an invasion at the hands of the federal government.

 

[calitennis127]

That we "simply" believe that there is a global virus that is incredibly contagious, and we're taking precautions for ourselves and for the benefit of others.

Or perhaps you just think that they are benefitting others when they're not.

Which is what the numbers and the science tells us.
are not going so well.

Not the case at all. You ignored my point about Dr. Scott Atlas. His credentials are impeccable (former head of neuroradiology at Stanford) and he is one of many scientists who dissent from the Fauci approach that you follow like a pure cultist.

Would it hurt anyone to wear a mask?

According to this neurosurgeon, yes, without a doubt.

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
POSTED BY: RUSSELL BLAYLOCK, MD MAY 11, 2020

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask.

technocracy.news

 

[calitennis127]

Good news on the “Covid” front:

 

[the AntiPusher]

I don´t know what´s you are problem but I can tell you something, you are taking all of this very or better to say too much personal. And yes I talk to my friend and the understand me perfectly well of course much better than you who seems to be more racist than me. Now you can insult me or whatever you want to say but I think you should be a little more open minded because you are the one who is a piece of work..... I finish with this stupid conversation

Carol. No One put a stick to your head to post what you did a few weeks ago. You felt compelled to post videos of Blacks attacking whites. You thought you were slick and NoOne would pay attention because you were using your "language" as a shield. I gave you every opportunity to clarify yourself but you pressed forward that it's your choice or opinion. Carol, in essence you double down on your videos by you refusal to post videos of Caucasian attacking blacks. You were more upset with the riotings and looters than innocent blacks getting murdered by policemen. Next, you played the "I have nice Black friends and smart American Indian friend" comments.. Do you know how racist those statements are? God bless her soul , Moxie offered you a "bone" by saying that maybe you shouldn't be classified a Racist because it wasn't as severe as a bigot like Cali.( Maybe not Moxie's exact words but she was trying to help you). Moxie words were " who side are you own". No reply from you but I knew the truth from the beginning.:Then you double down to say all police are not that bad and there are some bad black people. Today, you had a poster try to educate you but you still felt compelled to speak your mind. Now you want to call the conversation STUPID when you "invited"yourself. I don't believe you are innocent or as naive as you appear. You are speaking your sober mind because it's who you are.

 

[the AntiPusher]

That is a fair point, but just for the record I consider Trump's defense of the flag to be overly simplistic and muscleheaded. In my view the problem with Kaepernick's protest is not that he is disrespecting "the military" - an institution that has done immense harm to the world - but that Kaepernick's entire read of American history is distorted nonsense. I could not care less about honoring the military, when the vast majority of what it does is utterly wasteful and detrimental to this country's interests.

I also consider the major generals (such as Mattis) to be among the most contemptible and pathetic people in this country. Trump has learned this the hard way through his clashes with Mattis and the others. These old white male generals are welfare-dependent losers, simpletons, and wannabe intellectuals. I generally loathe them.

Oh, and one final point: the NYT story from Friday is already falling apart (see below).



I would take this seriously from you if you condemned Obama allowing ISIS to run roughshod over Iraq and Syria, raping women by the thousands and also attacking American troops when they could. That aside, once again, this story is already falling apart. The New York Times is already walking back its claims from Friday, just as I predicted.

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops
June 30, 2020

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops

The New York Times subtly changed its story about intelligence that the Russian government paid the Taliban to attack American troops in Afghanistan.

dailycaller.com

Kap knelling was against the police mistreatment of blacks and other people of color. Trump bastardized it to say it was disrespectful of the military and the Flag. Why CAN'T you admit the TRUTH!

 

[Jelenafan]

Good news on the “Covid” front:

You do realize that there is a few weeks lag time in deaths arising from an increased spike in Covid caseS.

 

[Federberg]

Ok so Trump claimed he wasn't briefed about bounty-gate before, but now he has. But I see on twitter he's calling it fake news. Still bending over for Putin and not protecting the troops. He's got to go!

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

treason trumpy donald (the fat fuckwit) is floundering bigly.

 

[Moxie]

That is a fair point, but just for the record I consider Trump's defense of the flag to be overly simplistic and muscleheaded. In my view the problem with Kaepernick's protest is not that he is disrespecting "the military" - an institution that has done immense harm to the world - but that Kaepernick's entire read of American history is distorted nonsense. I could not care less about honoring the military, when the vast majority of what it does is utterly wasteful and detrimental to this country's interests.

I also consider the major generals (such as Mattis) to be among the most contemptible and pathetic people in this country. Trump has learned this the hard way through his clashes with Mattis and the others. These old white male generals are welfare-dependent losers, simpletons, and wannabe intellectuals. I generally loathe them.

Your opinion on the military is duly noted, but I completely disagree with the way you characterize Kaepernick's act of commemoration over so many black people dying at the hands of cops, but I doubt we'll every agree on that, but is, as usual a cluttering of the point. You say that Dems are "suddenly" embracing the troops, as if we don't; and it is trying to blow past the point that Republicans wrap themselves in the flag and the troops' welfare, except when they don't.

Oh, and one final point: the NYT story from Friday is already falling apart (see below).



I would take this seriously from you if you condemned Obama allowing ISIS to run roughshod over Iraq and Syria, raping women by the thousands and also attacking American troops when they could. That aside, once again, this story is already falling apart. The New York Times is already walking back its claims from Friday, just as I predicted.

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops
June 30, 2020

With Follow-Up Report, NYT Subtly Undercuts Key Aspects Of Its Russia-Taliban Bounty Scoops

The New York Times subtly changed its story about intelligence that the Russian government paid the Taliban to attack American troops in Afghanistan.

dailycaller.com

Your link is to one of your far-right sites, I presume, because it completely mischaracterizes what the NYT article actually said, which I link below. What you call "walking back" is actually just their reporting on what the WH claims. If you're being fair, you'll read it, and compare the two versions. And, btw, I don't remember your predicting anything as to that, but I don't read all the drivel you write.

Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say (Published 2020)

The investigation into Russia’s suspected operation is said to focus in part on the killings of three Marines in a truck bombing last year, officials said.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Moxie]

Or perhaps you just think that they are benefitting others when they're not.

Not the case at all. You ignored my point about Dr. Scott Atlas. His credentials are impeccable (former head of neuroradiology at Stanford) and he is one of many scientists who dissent from the Fauci approach that you follow like a pure cultist.

According to this neurosurgeon, yes, without a doubt.

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
POSTED BY: RUSSELL BLAYLOCK, MD MAY 11, 2020

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask.

technocracy.news

You're so nuts about the mask thing. First, the article starts out saying that masks do little to protect the healthy. This we have all known and it has been repeated over and over: the mask is to protect others from you, in the event that you are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. I don't understand why it is so hard for some people to do their civic duty, even their moral duty, on behalf of others.

Second, I think we're all aware by now that it does cut your oxygen intake to wear a mask. But it's not necessary in many circumstances, so, if people are staying at home more than usual, and practicing physical distancing, there is little need for most of us to wear them for long periods of time. As some businesses open up, many are taking mask-wearing into account as we assess how people need to work more slowly and take more frequent breaks. This is not news what you post, and many people are learning to make adaptations, but it doesn't change the fact that, in close proximity, (which is best to limit, anyway,) it is best practice to wear a mask. You do understand how this virus spreads, right?

 

[Moxie]

Ok so Trump claimed he wasn't briefed about bounty-gate before, but now he has. But I see on twitter he's calling it fake news. Still bending over for Putin and not protecting the troops. He's got to go!

We've long-known that he's not interested in reading his national security briefs. (Hell, he doesn't read at all.) Who knows what he knew and when he knew it, since it's not like his press reps are all that reliable a source. But where is the reassuring statement from the Commander-in-Chief to the troops? All you get is "fake news!" which, once again, makes it all about him and not about the people who are in harm's way. I would say it behooves him to at least give the impression of getting to the bottom of "bounty-gate," and letting the troops know that he has their back.

 

[Moxie]

Mississippi retires its old Rebel-themed former flag to a museum. The last one. Better late than never. Good for you, Mississippi.

 

[calitennis127]

Your opinion on the military is duly noted, but I completely disagree with the way you characterize Kaepernick's act of commemoration over so many black people dying at the hands of cops, but I doubt we'll every agree on that, but is, as usual a cluttering of the point.

What the fuck are you talking about? "So many black people dying at the hands of cops"? Every single time I bring up actual data you avoid the conversation entirely. THERE WERE ONLY NINE - YES, NINE - UNARMED BLACK MALES SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE IN 2019 IN THE ENTIRE USA, and all had violent encounters with the police.

Speaking of "so many black people dying at the hands of cops" is utterly preposterous. There is zero data to back up your perspective. You believe in a total lie.

There were more unarmed black people who died in Chicago this past weekend as a result of the stupidity and depravity of YOUR PARTY than at the hands of cops in the entire country in 2019. Stop talking bullshit.

 

[calitennis127]

Mississippi retires its old Rebel-themed former flag to a museum. The last one. Better late than never. Good for you, Mississippi.

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Lol.....a terrible move, just like removing the Teddy Roosevelt statue in New York City and attacking the Jefferson and Washington monuments in Portland. Moxie as usual wants to deflect from the deaths of black people in cities run by incompetent people who think just like her and instead focus on harmless symbolism like Confederate flags in the South, which have never harmed anything except the mental equilibrium of dumb white leftists who don't like the sight of something they completely misunderstand.

By the way, do you want the state of New York to change its name since it is named after a major slave trader? How about Yale University, which is also named after a major slave trader (Elihu Yale)? Your position is utterly stupid, through and through. It's just plain dumb. This is all fundamentally a completely stupid and depraved attack on the heritage of the United States engineered by stupid and depraved people - and that includes you Moxie. You are an utterly clueless cretin on anything political.

Just three weeks ago you were denying that anyone was going after Lincoln monuments. You were totally 100% wrong about that, as we have seen from the events of recent weeks. And not only has Lincoln been targeted, but so have numerous other figures in American history who had nothing to do with the Confederacy, including abolitionists. These attacks on statues and flags are utterly stupid, ignorant, and philistine. They are the byproduct of decades of terrible education in the USA. They started with the Confederacy and are extending to virtually everyone prominent in American history.

This is how wrong Moxie was, just three weeks ago:

Boston To Remove Statue Depicting Abraham Lincoln With Freed Black Man At His Feet
July 1, 202010:09 PM ET

Boston To Remove Statue Depicting Abraham Lincoln With Freed Black Man At His Feet

Emancipation Memorial has stood in Park Square since 1879. It is a version of the original, in Washington, D.C., which was funded by formerly enslaved people but designed without their input.

www.npr.org

Ignorant Leftists Tear Down Statue, Behead It and Throw It In Wisconsin Lake – Statue Was of Civil War Abolitionist and Hero Who Died In Effort to End Slavery
Published June 24, 2020

Ignorant Leftists Tear Down Statue, Behead It and Throw It In Wisconsin Lake - Statue Was of Civil War Abolitionist and Hero Who Died In Effort to End Slavery | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

(Picture from Wisconsin historical society) A statue of a Norwegian-born Civil War hero was torn down yesterday in Madison, Wisconsin. The hero, Hans Christian Heg, was an abolitionist who gave his life to end slavery.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[calitennis127]

Your link is to one of your far-right sites,

How in the fuck is the Daily Caller a "far-right site"? This is what I mean about just how thoroughly dumb the Democratic Party electorate actually is. They have been brainwashed into believing that anyone and everyone who does not worship the New York Times as an infallible religious authority is automatically "far right."

The truth about Moxie is that she is incredibly narrow-minded and she is a true believer in the American establishment. She also has little to no exposure to alternative points of view. She lives in a narrow tunnel in which people recite the same platitudes to each other and think that Chicago seeing 18 black people killed in one weekend is less significant than the entire USA seeing 9 unarmed black males die in an entire year. We're frankly just talking about very dumb, low-information people. That's how the Democratic Party maintains its power in America: by exploiting the ignorant and ginning up fear against fabricated enemies.

 

[calitennis127]

which, once again, makes it all about him and not about the people who are in harm's way.

For you to actually think that most, if any, troops in Afghanistan are even in harm's way shows, yet again, why the Democratic Party electorate is completely dumb.

 

[the AntiPusher]

What the fuck are you talking about? "So many black people dying at the hands of cops"? Every single time I bring up actual data you avoid the conversation entirely. THERE WERE ONLY NINE - YES, NINE - UNARMED BLACK MALES SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE IN 2019, and all had violent encounters with the police.

Speaking of "so many black people dying at the hands of cops" is utterly preposterous. There is zero data to back up your perspective. You believe in a total lie.

There were more unarmed black people who died in Chicago this past weekend as a result of the stupidity and depravity of YOUR PARTY than at the hands of cops in the entire country in 2019. Stop talking bullshit.

Cali.. you keep bringing up Chicago, Chicago, Chicago. Have you ever spent any significant time in Chicago? Have you ever attended any of the ethnic food or festivals in Chicago? Have you ever been to the West side, South side or North side? Do you think everyone is walking around killing each other? Do you think that besides being one of the most racist and segregated cities in the world, there are good people who are raised in Chicago? Do you think a weak kneed racist pussy like yourself could ever have survived even in a suburban private school? The answer is No. Cali I think once Trump's knees get sore from bending over before Putin, you would be there to be his long time reliever.

 

[calitennis127]

You're so nuts about the mask thing. First, the article starts out saying that masks do little to protect the healthy. This we have all known and it has been repeated over and over: the mask is to protect others from you, in the event that you are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. I don't understand why it is so hard for some people to do their civic duty, even their moral duty, on behalf of others.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the entire adult population of the United States is wearing masks like characters in a dystopian novel right now: it is because there are people like Moxie who truly do believe in the idea that constantly wearing masks is inhibiting the spread of the virus. She actually believes that, with zero evidence, but with a huge leap of faith in her precious American establishment.

You do understand how this virus spreads, right?

No, I absolutely have no idea. That's why it is so important to take my cues from someone in New York, the state whose leaders and health system have done the worst job out of all 50 states in handling the pandemic.

It really is amazing how a Democrat in the state of New York such as Moxie could be lecturing others on how to stop the spread of the virus when her idiot governor sent covid patients into fucking nursing homes. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of, yet Moxie is still here on her high horse acting like Democratic Party orthodoxy is the way to approach this crisis. It is beyond hilarious. How can such arrogance accompany such stupidity?

And since Moxie evidently suffers from some of Biden's memory issues, allow me to remind her that just this past May Fauci himself contributed to an article in the New England Journal of Medicine arguing that masks are merely symbolic. Sorry to burst your bubble, Moxie, but here is the reality:

'Masks Are Symbolic,' say Dr Fauci and The New England Journal of Medicine
MAY 28, 2020

'Masks Are Symbolic,' say Dr Fauci and The New England Journal of Medicine

In the past week, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that masks are little more than symbols. Virtue signaling. For those of you who shout “science” like it’s a Tourette tick, this is from the New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020

hennessysview.com

 

[calitennis127]

Cali.. you keep bringing up Chicago, Chicago, Chicago. Have you ever spent any significant time in Chicago? Have you ever attended any of the ethnic food or festivals in Chicago? Have you ever been to the West side, South side or North side? Do you think everyone is walking around killing each other?

This is one of the dumbest lines of argument I have ever read, but it is to be expected from AntePaleolithic, the resident subliterate of the board.

By bringing up the murder rate of blacks in Chicago, no one is arguing that this carnage defines everything in the city. But Chicago's own newspaper - the Sun Times - just reported on Chicago having its deadliest day in 60 years. That's not my reporting, that's reporting from the Chicago Sun Times. This kind of murder is a blight on the country.

Now it's funny to see you ask for perspective in defense of Chicago, when you never apply that same line of thought to policing. There were more unarmed blacks killed in Chicago last weekend than there were unarmed blacks shot and killed by police in the entire USA in 2019. So when there are occasional/very rare killings of blacks by cops, do you ever stop to ask yourself about all the times that cops do good things for minority communities and save lives?

Of course not. Your balanced perspective only kicks in when you want it to.

Do you think that besides being one of the most racist and segregated cities in the world, there are good people who are raised in Chicago?

Yes, but this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You are just appealing to emotions because you are too stupid to deal in terms of actual data.

Do you think a weak kneed racist pussy like yourself could ever have survived even in a suburban private school? The answer is No.

Do I think you could pass a special ed class? Possibly. But only with a tutor.

Cali I think once Trump's knees get sore from bending over before Putin, you would be there to be his long time reliever.

Good one, you ignorant cornball. Your jokes are lame and you have the literacy level of, well, a Democratic Party voter in most urban areas.