US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

Yes, and it's just a stupid remark. Neither Parker nor King were serious intellectuals. Why do you or Martin Luther King know where history is supposed to go? Was part of that arc bending toward justice MLK having sex with teenage girls and plagiarizing his doctoral dissertation?

To say that King wasn't a serious intellectual is not to have read him. I don't know much about the rest, but remember, you are the man that has no problem with Wilson's racism or Lee's being a traitor. I'm pretty sure you're *this* close to excusing Adolph Hitler. You excuse any number of other racists. Like Trump.

What you call progress isn't progress. How is a 1-year-old black child being shot in the face on the heels of Chicago's most violent weekend in 60 years "progress"? In what world is that "progress"?

I said this above, but you absolutely don't understand the difference between individual acts of violence, and acts on behalf of the state, by actors hired by the State. These are big, but vastly different issues. All of your examples are of black-on-black violence. (Can't promise I read them all, as you're too boring.) So what is your point, if not a really racist one? You've already basically said that Blacks are just sucking off the teat, taking hard drugs, and killing each other off. I think this is a bogeyman representation of African-Americans that "white" people tell themselves to bolster the racist agenda. And you seem to be all-in.

 

[Moxie]

For all the dumbfucks on this board celebrating new Covid “cases” because you want to use it against Trump, here is the disappointing reality for you: deaths are down. If you were smart (which you aren’t), you would have known that an increase in “cases” was completely predictable and also benign. Those of us with a brain have been saying for months that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers.

But sorry Federturd and AntePaleolithic.....I know you wanted as many deaths as possible to go with the new, mild, meaningless “cases.” But that’s not panning our for you guys:

The really sad and pathetic thing about you, (and Trump) on this, is that you believe that it is a zero-sum game. If it favors caution, or, god forbid science, it is against Trump's political fortunes and future. You think that the rest of us want to see cases spike in order to make it a lose-lose for Trump. No matter what we tell you, you can't believe that most of us are actually invested in the common good on this. That we "simply" believe that there is a global virus that is incredibly contagious, and we're taking precautions for ourselves and for the benefit of others. Which is what the numbers and the science tells us. Would it hurt anyone to wear a mask? To practice a little social distancing? It doesn't. Where we do that, and open up with caution, things are working better. Where there is resistance to those few and easy precautions, things are not going so well.

 

[Federberg]

worth going thru the whole thread....

 

[calitennis127]

As a reminder, this was your response to a too-close protest. You have no idea what the legal technicalities are, and they do matter as to judgement as to how close people were, etc. What "media judgement" was there in your link? No, the "media judgement" is in your own mind.

Moxie, are you really this dumb? The point is not that the major media said anything about health concerns when it came to the Floyd riots or the "LGBT" pride jumblefest in Chicago. It's that they said absolutely nothing. States such as New Jersey or your poorly run state of New York have been prohibiting outdoor gatherings of large sizes for months. The incompetent mayor of Chicago - whose incompetence can only possibly be surpassed by De Blasio's - threatened a couple months ago to arrest people who had block parties in the city. But then when there are "protesters" expressing Lightfoote's or De Blasio's own feelings about an issue, suddenly worrying about "COVID" goes out the window.

You may also recall that when the anti-lockdown protests in Michigan took place - where people were largely in their cars and walking apart from each other - we were told that they were defying science and callously disregarding directives to socially distance. Yet, when it has come to countless left-wing demonstrations across the country in recent weeks, with thousands of people tightly packed together, the silence from the media about health concerns has been deafening. The only comments about the barkers and low-info marchers have been positive, even when they have engaged in violence such as vandalizing Mexican restaurants in Minneapolis (which I thought Democrats considered bad a few years ago but which they now think is okay if Black Lives Matter cretins do it).

Only a true-believing establishmentarian like yourself would deny such a blatant double standard about large gatherings and socially distancing. You will go to any length to defend your Washington Post-led church.

 

[the AntiPusher]

He lied again! Trump is gutless literally but obviously not physically.

 

[calitennis127]

He lied again! Trump is gutless literally but obviously not physically.

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Lol.....I love how Democrats suddenly fall in love with the troops whenever it is convenient. When the debacle at Benghazi occurred, however, we were told that troops being betrayed by political leaders wasn't that big a deal.

For the record, I find the mission in Afghanistan to be completely dumb and wasteful. I could not care less about this episode, except to watch this story inevitably fall apart in the weeks ahead as it is revealed that it was based on anti-Trump smears from someone in the bureaucracy.

 

[calitennis127]

And you also keep talking about the 3-year old kid in Chicago. If you don't understand the difference between individual acts of violence, (and let's face it, the US is a really violent place,)

No, it's not. The USA is violent in certain very specific urban areas, but the entire country is not that way. What you are trying to say is that the U.S. has a violence problem because of guns being everywhere. But red rural areas where people are armed to the teeth have virtually zero homicide and violent crime rate. You can't change those facts.

What you are trying to do is shift the blame for massive crime in Democrat-run cities and specifically in black areas to Republicans for being pro-Second Amendment. It is classic scapegoating. White leftists like yourself are incompetent in relating to blacks or understanding how to assist poor black neighborhoods, so you try to cast the blame for black urban violence on Republican-supported gun policy.

You can't just bring yourself to say "I and other white left-wingers have absolutely no understanding of black people and no understanding of how to help them." Why can't you just say that and admit you're clueless? Then we can start moving forward with productive measures to actually help people in the real world.

And you also keep talking about the 3-year old kid in Chicago. If you don't understand the difference between individual acts of violence, (and let's face it, the US is a really violent place,) and acts of violence perpetrated by representatives of the state upon its citizens, for whatever reason and regardless of race, then I can't help you.

I absolutely do make that distinction. But the issue here is quantity. How much of this state-perpetrated violence are we talking about? In 2019, there were over 7,000 black people killed by homicide, and only 9 of them were "unarmed black males." In Chicago, there were roughly 500 homicide victims last year, and only THREE (yes, THREE) were killed by police. So this supposed problem of "violence perpetrated by representatives of the state upon its citizens" is ridiculously exaggerated by your ilk for ideological reasons. The problem is so negligible it is almost non-existent. And where it does exist, it is the fault of Democratic leaders in major cities who never take ownership for their own failings.

If you can't see that 9/7000 is only about 0.1% and is therefore a negligible amount, then I can't help you.

 

[Jelenafan]

And everyone at the Lincoln Project fully supported the war in Iraq and did everything they could to advance it. Why should we take them seriously?

Just curious, Cali, do you wear a mask in public?

 

[Carol]

I only want Carol to respond to this post. I just want to her her views...if not we all know the TRUTH about her...

Wrongly arrested Black man sues a Georgia city and police officers for excessive force and injury | CNN

A Black man who was slammed to the ground as he was wrongly arrested is suing the Georgia city of Valdosta and numerous Valdosta Police Department officers for excessive force and for violating his civil rights, according to court documents.

www.cnn.com

Have I defended the police brutality ? on the contrary I've always said the police here needs a little more education. And by the way the black people are not the only victims, I still remember years ego seeing how a police was mistreating a white guy right in front of me and for nothing so I think it can happen to anyone, it doesn't matter the color

 

[Jelenafan]

Have I defended the police brutality ? on the contrary I've always said the police here needs a little more education. And by the way the black people are not the only victims, I still remember years ego seeing how a police was mistreating a white guy right in front of me and for nothing so I think it can happen to anyone, it doesn't matter the color

I agree with you it can happen to anyone.

However do you think that Blacks or other persons of color have a higher chance of being mistreated by the Police overall?

If stopped by a cop Do you believe that the odds are that a White person as opposed to a minority will be treated the same?

 

[calitennis127]

Moxie asked why I consider white leftists - particularly white male leftists - to be like ISIS. Here is a great example of why.

You can be 100% sure that if the white man In this video was a right-winger Federbergy and AntePushPush would have posted this already. If you are a white person on the left, you get away with far more in how you treat black people:

 

[Carol]

I agree with you it can happen to anyone.

However do you think that Blacks or other persons of color have a higher chance of being mistreated by the Police overall?

If stopped by a cop Do you believe that the odds are that a White person as opposed to a minority will be treated the same?

I suppose it's depending the police, we know there are bad ones and unfortunately very racists and not only about the black people but also about mexicans, asians and others races and to me it means they have a very bad complex thinking they are superiors but really its the opposite. When I came here for the first time my english was very bad (even worse than now lol) and I went at north of Florida visiting a small town, I was in the beach and then I needed to ask about some directions so I asked with my bad english to a woman which looked typical "redneck" and then she told me in very bad manners "you, go home" and then I looked her saying "you go home, I'm very proud to be from Spain and if you know to read which I doubt the spaniards were here before you, peace of s**t" (I was so mad that I spoke english better than ever lol) she didn't say one more word and left.

 

[Jelenafan]

I suppose it's depending the police, we know there are bad ones and unfortunately very racists and not only about the black people but also about mexicans, asians and others races and to me it means they have a very bad complex thinking they are superiors but really its the opposite. When I came here for the first time my english was very bad (even worse than now lol) and I went at north of Florida visiting a small town, I was in the beach and then I needed to ask about some directions so I asked with my bad english to a woman which looked typical "redneck" and then she told me in very bad manners "you, go home" and then I looked her saying "you go home, I'm very proud to be from Spain and if you know to read which I doubt the spaniards were here before you, peace of s**t" (I was so mad that I spoke english better than ever lol) she didn't say one more word and left.

Carol, I'm the sons of immigrants so I don't look WASPY and my fave story is me and my buddy are at Yosemite trying to get to Housekeeping Camp in our old truck. We are going the speed limit easily, not bobbing or weaving , but The police pulls us over, look us once over, and ask me, "You have any weapons? " My reply is " only my wife is permitted to carry weapons in our household , officer" He is not amused, looks at my buddy who is hispanic and yells at him "Hey is that case carrying your gun?", to which my buddy completely deadpan opens it up and shows it the cop, " since it's my special dental floss kit, only gingivitis is it's enemy"... I could have died.

 

[Carol]

Well, two of my partners of my work (white americans from Boston) decided to go to NY driving, they say (it's funny how they told us the story) when they were around Georgia the police pull them over and asked them if they were carrying drugs, he had a dog which was smelling all around the car, they told him not drugs and ask him why he stoped them when their speed was ok, the police didn't answer but he kept them for awhile an purpose, one of my friends started to complain and then the police told him: "if you keep complaining I'm going to take you to the Police Station, so they decided to be quiet just in case something happens to them like in those scary movie LOL

 

[the AntiPusher]

Have I defended the police brutality ? on the contrary I've always said the police here needs a little more education. And by the way the black people are not the only victims, I still remember years ego seeing how a police was mistreating a white guy right in front of me and for nothing so I think it can happen to anyone, it doesn't matter the color

You are a piece of work..Do you talk like this to your friends? You had no empathy towards that man but the " police needs a little more education"... If the guy was a Caucasian skinned Latin or something like that, your concern would be on higher alert. When you say "it doesn't matter the color" that's usually an indicator that it really does..
You think that you're entitled to your opinion but really you're another one of the problems this country is the way it is. You don't have to be a white supremacist or a bigot but your views towards people of color are not very progressive. If your friends are honest with you, they should be transparent with you.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Lol.....I love how Democrats suddenly fall in love with the troops whenever it is convenient. When the debacle at Benghazi occurred, however, we were told that troops being betrayed by political leaders wasn't that big a deal.

For the record, I find the mission in Afghanistan to be completely dumb and wasteful. I could not care less about this episode, except to watch this story inevitably fall apart in the weeks ahead as it is revealed that it was based on anti-Trump smears from someone in the bureaucracy.

Cali..You are saying that you don't give a Fuck about the millions of lives that serves so bravely in harm's way. The members of our arm forces provide you the opportunity to post like the
Pure coward you are.

 

[Moxie]

You want to believe that for purely political reasons. But there are numerous indicators that the numbers aren’t legitimate. Just as there were numerous indicators that there was no proof of Trump-Russian collusion. Many of us saw that all along and were ridiculed. But in the end we were right.

This is your response to AP on COVID deaths being legitimate. You are really the only one that is politicizing .COVID here. The rest of us are trying to confront it for the problem that it is. You question the numbers, you resist on testing, you resist on mask-wearing. You're right in line with Trump's playbook. The rest of us are trying to figure out what the F we do next.

 

[Carol]

You are a piece of work..Do you talk like this to your friends? You had no empathy towards that man but the " police needs a little more education"... If the guy was a Caucasian skinned Latin or something like that, your concern would be on higher alert. When you say "it doesn't matter the color" that's usually an indicator that it really does..
You think that you're entitled to your opinion but really you're another one of the problems this country is the way it is. You don't have to be a white supremacist or a bigot but your views towards people of color are not very progressive. If your friends are honest with you, they should be transparent with you.

I don´t know what´s you are problem but I can tell you something, you are taking all of this very or better to say too much personal. And yes I talk to my friend and the understand me perfectly well of course much better than you who seems to be more racist than me. Now you can insult me or whatever you want to say but I think you should be a little more open minded because you are the one who is a piece of work..... I finish with this stupid conversation

 

[the AntiPusher]

Some asked Cali if he wears as mask..the obvious answer is no. Cali wants to infect as many people as possible to keep the voter turnout as low as possible.

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....I love how Democrats suddenly fall in love with the troops whenever it is convenient. When the debacle at Benghazi occurred, however, we were told that troops being betrayed by political leaders wasn't that big a deal.

For the record, I find the mission in Afghanistan to be completely dumb and wasteful. I could not care less about this episode, except to watch this story inevitably fall apart in the weeks ahead as it is revealed that it was based on anti-Trump smears from someone in the bureaucracy.

Let's just turn that on it's head for a moment: The Republican party, and particularly Trump have called out Colin Kaepernick for taking a knee during the national anthem as a specific disrespect of the flag, the anthem, and our troops. Is this more of a disrespect of our troops than the President and the intelligence community not taking seriously an actual threat? And however much Trump pretends he didn't know, that part, if true, is rather frightening, and if false, is equally frightening. But in any case, where is his statement to the nation and the troops on what he thinks about this and intends to do about it? Where is there a bit of sabre-rattling towards Russia? In the midst of all of this, whatever Trump knew, and when he knew it, he has been on the phone with Putin, and trying to get Russia admitted to the G7.