Moxie
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@calitennis127 : I've laid out my points and you've laid out yours. It is clear that there will never be a meeting of the minds. I am not going to address all of your points above, primarily because you don't distinguish your "opinion" from "truth." Aside from that, you lie about what posters here have said in the past to misrepresent our opinions to suit your worldview of us. You are tiresome in debate, primarily because, aside from the above, you also change the topic or deflect it, when the conversation isn't going your way. You are aggressively contrarian. Stop trying to bring your alt-right racist crap around here. No one is buying it.
MLK, Jr. said: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." This is a reference to Theodore Parker, a 19th C. abolitionist and Unitarian minister. I know it's not without complications, but it is an ideal to strive for.
Tony Kushner said: "The world only spins forward."
So keep looking backward, if you like. At your beloved Confederates. At whatever statues get brought down and however you feel about them. At Mississippi finally taking the rebel flag off of its state flag, and bemoan these losses to "history." Keep slagging progress and forward movement, and the interests of justice as a detriment to society. We know what that's code for: straight white (middle-class and poor) people losing what they think was their "place." Which was only sold to them by rich white people to keep them from fighting the scarier fight, as far as the rich white people were concerned, which would have been the class wars. So they created a racial divide, created a "white" race, and got the lower class whites to do the heavy-lifting for what they really wanted, which was to keep themselves, the Upper Class, the 1%, in the lap of luxury. And a whole bunch of white folks fell for it. No matter how crappy their circumstances, (including indentured servitude,) they were taught to think, "Well, at least I'm not Black."
And that's how you get Trump. He's a NY elite 1%-er, who keeps telling the (particularly lower-class) white folks that he's all about them. He's embracing the Confederacy. He embraces the alt-right, and white supremacists, though he keeps pulling back, every time he gets called on it. He tells you that he's all for you and one of you, when all he's really doing is lining his own pockets and selling us all down the river. He's the biggest carpetbagger that ever was. Keep looking backward. You've bought snake oil from a huckster. But history doesn't provide a lot of hiding places, in the end. I know why it creeps you out when we talk about what it means to be on the right side of history. It's because you're pulling in with the antiquated, done-for, racist past.
MLK, Jr. said: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." This is a reference to Theodore Parker, a 19th C. abolitionist and Unitarian minister. I know it's not without complications, but it is an ideal to strive for.
Tony Kushner said: "The world only spins forward."
So keep looking backward, if you like. At your beloved Confederates. At whatever statues get brought down and however you feel about them. At Mississippi finally taking the rebel flag off of its state flag, and bemoan these losses to "history." Keep slagging progress and forward movement, and the interests of justice as a detriment to society. We know what that's code for: straight white (middle-class and poor) people losing what they think was their "place." Which was only sold to them by rich white people to keep them from fighting the scarier fight, as far as the rich white people were concerned, which would have been the class wars. So they created a racial divide, created a "white" race, and got the lower class whites to do the heavy-lifting for what they really wanted, which was to keep themselves, the Upper Class, the 1%, in the lap of luxury. And a whole bunch of white folks fell for it. No matter how crappy their circumstances, (including indentured servitude,) they were taught to think, "Well, at least I'm not Black."
And that's how you get Trump. He's a NY elite 1%-er, who keeps telling the (particularly lower-class) white folks that he's all about them. He's embracing the Confederacy. He embraces the alt-right, and white supremacists, though he keeps pulling back, every time he gets called on it. He tells you that he's all for you and one of you, when all he's really doing is lining his own pockets and selling us all down the river. He's the biggest carpetbagger that ever was. Keep looking backward. You've bought snake oil from a huckster. But history doesn't provide a lot of hiding places, in the end. I know why it creeps you out when we talk about what it means to be on the right side of history. It's because you're pulling in with the antiquated, done-for, racist past.
