US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

These are the people calling the Republican Party a "cult".....they send out dictates to their party leaders to use phrases in public over and over. A few months ago it was "no one is above the rule of law." Now it is is we need to "reimagine policing." The order comes from on high and then everyone says it. This is what is truly cult-like:

 

[calitennis127]

The Covid-19 related deaths numbers are legimate.

You want to believe that for purely political reasons. But there are numerous indicators that the numbers aren’t legitimate. Just as there were numerous indicators that there was no proof of Trump-Russian collusion. Many of us saw that all along and were ridiculed. But in the end we were right.

 

[Federberg]

Lol.....you are just looking for anything you can to one-up me on because of how many times I have smacked you down. Nothing that I am claiming now is contradicting what I said earlier. Wilson absolutely has been an icon of the left for decades. That's why he had a prominent school named after him at Princeton for so long. But as I explained, saying that he has been an icon of the left and saying that everything he believed would have been palatable to the modern left are two totally different things. Attitudes shift and change over time. Obviously Wilson's segregationist views are completely unfashionable today, but the foreign policy establishment of the United States has loved his international ideas so much for decades that his segregationism was often overlooked.

So yes, Wilson has been an icon of the left for decades. I assumed that you knew this was the case in spite of his segregationist views. I am sorry for giving you that much credit. My apologies. I won't do it next time.

stop trying to defend your position, it was stupid. Just move on. You just draw attention to your stupidity dumbass...

 

[Federberg]

You want to believe that for purely political reasons. But there are numerous indicators that the numbers aren’t legitimate. Just as there were numerous indicators that there was no proof of Trump-Russian collusion. Many of us saw that all along and were ridiculed. But in the end we were right.

there aren't any indicators that delegitimise the numbers you fool. Only on conspiracy websites. You only have to look at the actions of citizens. If it was fake news they would ignore the warnings. But increasingly they are backing away. Apart from the most die hard Trumpists, if the you lot want to die in support of a guy who is clearly afraid of the virus given how much protection he requires around him then more fool you dumbass

 

[calitennis127]

So Cali are you and your orange god going to suck Putin's cock or do you folks have something to say about Russian Intelligence putting bounties on US troops in Afghanistan?

You clearly have learned nothing. After being totally wrong about Russian collusion as well as Flynn because you believed everything that CNN and its allies claimed, you are still, like a dumb dog, returning to your vomit. How many times can you fall for the same garbage?

Apparently you love being lied to. You like being manipulated and misinformed. There is something perverse that you really enjoy about it.

 

[Federberg]

You clearly have learned nothing. After being totally wrong about Russian collusion as well as Flynn because you believed everything that CNN and its allies claimed, you are still, like a dumb dog, returning to your vomit. How many times can you fall for the same garbage?

Apparently you love being lied to. You like being manipulated and misinformed. There is something perverse that you really enjoy about it.

do you think that by repeatedly claiming that there was no collusion you can wish it away? You guys are hilarious but scary in a way too. But sorry mate... I read the report.It was pretty cut and dried. Your President is a cheater and you are a liar. You deserve each other... dumbass

 

[calitennis127]

stop trying to defend your position, it was stupid. Just move on. You just draw attention to your stupidity dumbass...

No, my position was 100% accurate. This was the original quote that you set you off on your estrogen rant:

“Everything is being attacked now, including Americans who were icons for the left for the longest time.”

And yes, Wilson was an icon for the left for the longest time because of his foreign policy views. I didn’t think I had to spell it out for you that this was the case despite him being a segregationist.

So yes, Wilson was an icon for the left for decades. Nothing inaccurate about that.

Repeat: Wilson was an icon for the left for decades. Also repeat: Tinfoil Federturd does a poor job of pretending to be masculine. Also repeat: Federturd needs a mentor lady to help him through his difficult mood swings.

 

[calitennis127]

do you think that by repeatedly claiming that there was no collusion you can wish it away? You guys are hilarious but scary in a way too. But sorry mate... I read the report.It was pretty cut and dried. Your President is a cheater and you are a liar. You deserve each other... dumbass

It really is amazing that the media have this much hold on people’s minds.....even after a huge amount of evidence has been produced that the Trump campaign was framed and that it did not collude with Russia, superstitious tools like yourself still believe the media. That is the epitome of brainwashing.

Even after the House Intel Committee transcripts were released with the president of Crowdstrike saying to Congress that he had no evidence that it was Russia who hacked the DNC, you still believe they did.

And no, the report was not “cut and dried” (did you get the phrase from AntiPusher, btw)? It proved absolutely nothing in the way of Russian collusion. All of those allegations were superstitious nonsense, and you fell for them entirely.

You just don’t want to confront how wrong and how dumb you were about that whole issue.

It would be a huge hit to your ego because you have convinced yourself that you actually understand things outside of the financial markets when in reality you are a petty, narrow-minded philistine looking to get cheap shots in on people you don’t like.

 

[calitennis127]

there aren't any indicators that delegitimise the numbers you fool. Only on conspiracy websites.

Says the person who believed and still believes the most preposterous conspiracy theory in modern history: that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in 2016.

If you are looking for a well-reasoned article on why the coronavirus death count is ridiculously exaggerated, read this article (assuming your attention span can last more than 25 seconds). It is by John Lott, a crime researcher from the University of Chicago:

U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Is Inflated | RealClearPolitics

The latest Centers for Disease Control data show that the COVID-19 fatality rate is 0.26% -- four times higher than the worst rate for the seasonal flu over the past decade. That is dramatically...

www.realclearpolitics.com

You only have to look at the actions of citizens. If it was fake news they would ignore the warnings. But increasingly they are backing away.

You have the cart before the horse. The media are scaring and guilting many people into staying home by overhyping how dangerous the virus actually is.

For the 100th time, we have known since March that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers. So the discovery of new “cases” was inevitable with increased testing. It is neither surprising nor meaningful. It just confirms what we already knew.

Apart from the most die hard Trumpists, if the you lot want to die

It’s not as dangerous as you believe it is or want it to be. Just like with the Russian collusion theory, you are falling for another left-wing superstition. The dangers of this virus have been ridiculously exaggerated for brazenly political reasons.

 

[Moxie]

Okay, but how is that wrong? That is clearly the position of the Democratic Party, especially in the case of Chicago, which had its most violent day in over 60 years a few weekends ago under the leadership of a purely Democratic political class. The only solution ever offered by people like yourself is to blame the police, then blame Republicans (even when they have zero influence in urban areas), and then call for “more funding” and “more resources” for inner city areas. This has been the playbook for decades.

You may not like how I phrased it, but that is the harsh reality. I really don’t see how Woodrow Wilson’s racial ideas are any worse than what the Democratic Party in Chicago is offering with dozens of people being shot every weekend. I don’t think Woodrow Wilson tolerated 1-year-old and 3-year-old black children being murdered in drive-by shootings, or did he?

THIS is "clearly the position of the Democratic party??" : your quote: "... that blacks should be subsidized by the federal government to shoot each other, do hard drugs, and then blame their problems on Republicans hundreds of miles away. How is that any better than Wilson saying blacks and whites should be segregated from each other? At least Wilson did not encourage black people to destroy themselves and then think like anti-white Nazis politically." What this actually is is a far-right bastardization of what you believe Dem policies to be, though, let's face it...not actually to be, but what you think they cause. And it's a fairly incoherent mash-up of disparate causes to effects, with racist inflection. You are saying that Blacks are inclined to hard drug use, gun violence and anti-White hatred, and are encouraged in this by Dem policies. Whoa...that is some pretty Storm Trooper shit, huh?

These are the people calling the Republican Party a "cult".....they send out dictates to their party leaders to use phrases in public over and over. A few months ago it was "no one is above the rule of law." Now it is is we need to "reimagine policing." The order comes from on high and then everyone says it. This is what is truly cult-like:

This is rich coming from the guy who parrots Trump right down to denying Russian interference in our elections in 2016, the fallout from COVID, the numbers of cases, and embracing the Confederacy. To name only a few. And down to the point of blaming your enemies for everything Trumpanzees and Republicans have already been accused of. Get an original thought.

 

[calitennis127]

And again, we see the total hypocrisy of Democrats at work. After lecturing everyone for days on the dangers of new “cases” and the need to social distance, they are again condoning mass gatherings like they never said anything before about the need for social distancing. Why?

Because the mass gatherings are in the interest of one of their pet causes, this one being the silly LGBT cause of white leftists. Thank you to the Filipino-American journalist Michelle Malkin for posting this. We need more women like her in this country and less like Moxie:

 

[calitennis127]

This is rich coming from the guy who parrots Trump right down to denying Russian interference in our elections in 2016

Actually one of my key sources for saying that the Russians did not “interfere” in the 2016 elections is Aaron Mate, a Bernie-supporting writer for The Nation magazine. He has written numerous detailed pieces on how Mueller never established that the Russians actually “hacked” the elections because he always used qualified language in his report to describe what they supposedly did. Instead of definitively saying the Russians stole emails Mueller would say things like “they appear to have stolen” emails. After all his effort investigating that was a very telling choice of words from ole Bobby Bob Bob.

Also, we know from the recently released House Intel Committee transcripts from 2017 that the CEO of Crowdstrike, the firm that investigated the DNC server, told Congress under oath that he had no evidence it was the Russians who hacked the DNC emails. That was just released. You should know that.

But I’m sorry that you are a low-information Democratic voter whose sources keep her in the dark about everything.

Do you know who Aaron Mate is?

Oh yeah, I know the answer. You don’t.

 

[Moxie]

And again, we see the total hypocrisy of Democrats at work. After lecturing everyone for days on the dangers of new “cases” and the need to social distance, they are again condoning mass gatherings like they never said anything before about the need for social distancing. Why?

Because the mass gatherings are in the interest of one of their pet causes, this one being the silly LGBT cause of white leftists. Thank you to the Filipino-American journalist Michelle Malkin for posting this. We need more women like her in this country and less like Moxie:

Who said people aren't concerned that these events defy physical distancing and mask regulations? You are so simple-minded that you take every action as a binary, and a monolithic agreement, per "side." Either/or, all-in, or all-out. Oh, right...that's because you're a Republican, and your tribe does march in lock-step. Well, mine doesn't. The tweet you posted makes no comment as to whether this was a permitted gathering, or a spontaneous one. If the government gave a permit that didn't align with it's current opening policy, you would have a grievance. If there was no permit issued, or if their current policy allows it, then, no. I do have a problem with the particularly 20-somethings (and into the 30-somethings) that are taking a cavalier attitude, whether they are right, left or center. There has been plenty of concern from "my side" about the potential breakouts after too-close marches and the Pride activities, whether sanctioned or not. Which is not the same as the President holding an indoor rally, defying all advice from medical professionals, where people, at the insistence of Trump, won't wear masks and won't physically distance.

The actions that you are blaming for not adhering to the mask/distance protocol are mostly sanctioned by no one. They are not permitted. I would have thought you'd be sympathetic to that, no matter which side you pull for. You're the one that says wearing masks and physically distancing is for chumps, right?

 

[Moxie]

Actually one of my key sources for saying that the Russians did not “interfere” in the 2016 elections is Aaron Mate, a Bernie-supporting writer for The Nation magazine. He has written numerous detailed pieces on how Mueller never established that the Russians actually “hacked” the elections because he always used qualified language in his report to describe what they supposedly did. Instead of definitively saying the Russians stole emails Mueller would say things like “they appear to have stolen” emails. After all his effort investigating that was a very telling choice of words from ole Bobby Bob Bob.

Also, we know from the recently released House Intel Committee transcripts from 2017 that the CEO of Crowdstrike, the firm that investigated the DNC server, told Congress under oath that he had no evidence it was the Russians who hacked the DNC emails. That was just released. You should know that.

But I’m sorry that you are a low-information Democratic voter whose sources keep her in the dark about everything.

Do you know who Aaron Mate is?

Oh yeah, I know the answer. You don’t.

I wish I could count the number of times you have repeated the phrase "low-information" (Democrat/voter/whatever.) You really do repeat yourself. Another thing you share in common with Trump. He falls in love with a phrase, and tends to repeat it even 3 or 4 times in a row. But you do pick where your information comes from, and so that's already skewed. You've long dismissed The New York Times, The Washington Post and countless media platforms as "too lefty," while continuously counseling us to listen to more far-right media. OOOKKK. Now you've got a guy from The Nation. That seems inconsistent, but fine, I'll look into him.

We're not talking about hacked emails by the Russians. We're talking about a concerted effort to disseminate disinformation on social media, which has been proven. You just keep ignoring that, as well as have the Republicans in power, with total disregard for the notion that our elections could be influenced from the outside, yet again, because the powers that be refuse to address it, because Trump thinks it makes him look bad. You're so worried about Confederate statues coming down, but you have complete disregard for outside influence on our current democracy.

 

[the AntiPusher]

You want to believe that for purely political reasons. But there are numerous indicators that the numbers aren’t legitimate. Just as there were numerous indicators that there was no proof of Trump-Russian collusion. Many of us saw that all along and were ridiculed. But in the end we were right.

Cali, We ? Are you are saying We all knew that Trump's administration have Always had Russian ties? Flynn, Cohen and Paulie M are agents of Russia, yes We all know this to be TRUE.

 

[Moxie]

Cali, We ? Are you are saying We all knew that Trump's administration have Always had Russian ties? Flynn, Cohen and Paulie M are agents of Russia, yes We all know this to be TRUE.

There's a lot to be known about Trump's ties to Russia, but so much will not be released. Like the tax returns. Why? Deutsche Bank seems to know a lot. A lot of noise gets put out there to cloud where some of the dirt is.

The Trump Secrets Hiding Inside Deutsche Bank (Published 2019)

The president’s longtime lender has extensive documents related to Mr. Trump’s personal and business finances. Here’s what they could reveal.

www.nytimes.com

 

[calitennis127]

Who said people aren't concerned that these events defy physical distancing and mask regulations?

It's obvious from the silence of the media. They screamed about the anti-lockdown protests in Michigan and the Trump rally in Tulsa while nodding in approval at the post-Floyd marches and now this LGBT pride parade.

You are so simple-minded that you take every action as a binary, and a monolithic agreement, per "side." Either/or, all-in, or all-out. Oh, right...that's because you're a Republican, and your tribe does march in lock-step.

Oh, I only wish that the Republican leaders and media were 1/10th as united as Democratic leaders and media. Your party is a cult. Nothing shows this better than their recitation of talking points in mass every few months. Right now the talking point is "reimagine policing" and every major Democrat on TV is saying it. Go look at the Tucker Carlson video I posted.

Well, mine doesn't.

It absolutely does. I wish Republicans were half as united.

The tweet you posted makes no comment as to whether this was a permitted gathering, or a spontaneous one. If the government gave a permit that didn't align with it's current opening policy, you would have a grievance. If there was no permit issued, or if their current policy allows it, then, no.

I was clearly talking about the media judgment of the people involved, not the legal technicalities. If you want to talk about having permits, then let me remind you that the people protesting the removal of the Lee statue in Charlottesville in August 2017 had a permit, while the Antifa and Black Lives Matter people who attacked and taunted them did not. Did you care about that at the time? No.

Either way, my point here was strictly about the media having no problem with yet another mass left-wing protest in which people are on top of each other like ants on a hill.

Which is not the same as the President holding an indoor rally, defying all advice from medical professionals, where people, at the insistence of Trump, won't wear masks and won't physically distance.

Would those "medical professionals" include Dr. Scott Atlas, former head of the neuroradiology department at Stanford? He appears to think that the data show masks don't help much. Why are your "medical professionals" always conveniently placed on your side for political purposes?

‘Sloppy Thinking’: Stanford’s Scott Atlas Rips Lockdown And Mask-Wearing Proponents For Denying Science And Ignoring Data
June 08, 2020

‘Sloppy Thinking’: Stanford’s Scott Atlas Rips Lockdown And Mask-Wearing Proponents For Denying Science And Ignoring Data

Dr. Scott Atlas criticized politicians and policy makers who aren't taking the latest

dailycaller.com

The actions that you are blaming for not adhering to the mask/distance protocol are mostly sanctioned by no one. They are not permitted. I would have thought you'd be sympathetic to that, no matter which side you pull for. You're the one that says wearing masks and physically distancing is for chumps, right?

Yes, that's right. However my commentary here is solely focusing on the media hypocrisy. I am not condemning the protesters for failing to socially distance, except if they would condemn Trump supporters for failing to do the same. My main emphasis is on the media hypocrisy. I cannot imagine them being silent about the lack of social distancing if Trump supporters had gathered in crowds of 10,000-plus in tight spaces like Democratic constituencies have numerous times in the past month or so.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali, We ? Are you are saying We all knew that Trump's administration have Always had Russian ties? Flynn, Cohen and Paulie M are agents of Russia, yes We all know this to be TRUE.

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Lol. Flynn had no ties to Russia at all. Nor did Cohen. Manafort got busted for something to do with the Ukraine because the Democratic Party is drowning in corrupt dealings with the Ukrainian government and they had dirt on Manafort, who was working right next to Podesta's brother over there. That had nothing to do with "ties to Putin" or "ties to the Kremlin."

Speaking of the Podestas and Russian ties, did you know that a company John Podesta served on the board of (called Joule Unlimited) received a $35 million gift from the Russian government while Hillary was Secretary of State? Can you imagine if something like this had occurred for a Trump associate while Trump was president?

Uncovering the Russia ties of Hillary’s campaign chief
July 5, 2017

Uncovering the Russia ties of Hillary’s campaign chief

Lawmakers failed to seize on an alarming development in the Russia collusion story last week, one that should spark serious and immediate congressional inquiry. But it didn’t involve President Trum…

nypost.com

 

[calitennis127]

THIS is "clearly the position of the Democratic party??" : your quote: "... that blacks should be subsidized by the federal government to shoot each other, do hard drugs, and then blame their problems on Republicans hundreds of miles away. How is that any better than Wilson saying blacks and whites should be segregated from each other? At least Wilson did not encourage black people to destroy themselves and then think like anti-white Nazis politically." What this actually is is a far-right bastardization of what you believe Dem policies to be, though, let's face it...not actually to be, but what you think they cause.

No, it is absolutely the reality and it is absolutely the truth. BUT you don't want to face it. You constantly deflect from the issue at hand. Chicago, a city led by people who think just like you, just had its deadliest day in 60 years. Almost all of the homicide victims were black. A susbequent weekend (Father's Day weekend) saw over 100 people be shot. That has been the reality in June 2020, whether you can face it or not.

The reality here is that you don't want to own up to the failure of your ideas and the policies you believe in and the party you commit your allegiances to. That's the issue here. Democrats have total control over cities, and violence in many black areas, especially Chicago, is out of control. Instead of owning up to your party's total failure, you want to blame others for rhetoric you find unpleasant.

You are saying that Blacks are inclined to hard drug use, gun violence and anti-White hatred, and are encouraged in this by Dem policies. Whoa...that is some pretty Storm Trooper shit, huh?

Not at all. It's the harsh reality in places like Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Atlanta, and Chicago. That said, the majority of the opioid problem in this country appears to be white, so blacks are far from the only people into hard drugs. There are tens of thousands of whites who have been dying from overdoses. But that doesn't change the reality that the Democratic Party bankrolls and encourages black self-destruction. That is undoubtedly the case.

This is rich coming from the guy who parrots Trump right down to denying Russian interference in our elections in 2016, the fallout from COVID, the numbers of cases,

I have been saying since March, citing a WSJ article by two Stanford "medical professionals" (to borrow your self-convenient term) that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers. My point all along has been that it doesn't matter because the virus isn't that potent.

and embracing the Confederacy.

No, I haven't been embracing the Confederacy so much as defending it from a ridiculous and irrational level of demonization. I am simply taking the position of the vast majority of Americans for the first 125 years after the war. Someone can think Robert E. Lee was an admirable American and that Confederate statues aren't evil without being a Confederate diehard.

Get an original thought.

Coming from someone who recites every Democratic Party platitude in the book and has no problem with others on this board doing the same thing. Sure. I am one of the only people on this board who veers off the Democratic Plantation in my thought and provides some unpredictable perspective.

 

[calitennis127]

You've long dismissed The New York Times, The Washington Post and countless media platforms as "too lefty," while continuously counseling us to listen to more far-right media.

No, I have suggested that you should just once in a while look at a mildly right-wing source, such as perhaps the WSJ editorial board. It would help balance your views out. As for my problem with the New York Times and Washington Post, it is largely that they have made asses of themselves so many times that I can't take them seriously.

Look at this story on Russian collusion from the end of 2016, for example. This is the type of junk that Federberg fell for like a fish biting the hook. Read the headline which created hype (bold), then read the Editor's Note (underlined) from a day or two later which undermined the headline and essentially gutted the whole purpose of the article. This type of buffoonery undermines the credibility of a publication, and the Washington Post has engaged in it repeatedly in recent years.


Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to U.S. electrical grid security, officials say

Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid. Authorities say there is no indication of that so far. The computer at Burlington Electric that was hacked was not attached to the grid.

By Juliet Eilperin and
Adam Entous
December 31, 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html