US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

There's a lot of complaining about taking down old statues when Trump is trying to dismantle the Affordable Care Act...during a fucking pandemic!

 

[Federberg]

Moxie asked me a few weeks ago why I had a problem with tearing down Confederate statues. The main reason is that the rationale for bringing the statues down was simple-minded and ignorant. But another is that I always knew it was only a first step. Everything is being attacked now, including Americans who were icons for the left for the longest time.

Perfect example right here: not only is Lincoln being targeted, but Princeton is now renaming its public policy school from Woodrow Wilson to something else. I am no fan of Wilson but this is utter stupidity right here:


Princeton drops Woodrow Wilson's name from school due to 'racist thinking'
The trustees voted to remove the name on Friday.

Princeton drops Woodrow Wilson's name from school due to 'racist thinking'

The decision was taken on Friday after a vote by the board of trustees.

www.foxnews.com

Woodrow Wilson an icon of the left?? And there you are claiming to be an American history expert....

 

[calitennis127]

Woodrow Wilson an icon of the left?? And there you are claiming to be an American history expert....

Yes, you fucking idiot. Germanophobes in academia love that Wilson got the U.S. into WWI to fight Germany and that he laid the ideological groundwork for establishing the U.N. by talking up the League of Nations. The whole concept of ”spreading democracy” to the world largely started with Wilson.

How do you not know that?

 

[Jelenafan]

Woodrow Wilson an icon of the left?? And there you are claiming to be an American history expert....

I’ve long been a student of Woodrow Wilson, ( read the excellent book on the Versailles treaty:
Peacemakers: The Paris Peace Conference of 1919) , and even within the context of his own times ( arguably in contrast with say, Thomas Jefferson) Wilson was an eye brow raising racist. Department agencies that had been integrated since the end of the Civil War were segregated under his watch In the Capitol and elsewhere.

Wilson actually argued that segregation was not a public humiliation but to reduce “friction“ between Blacks and white, Civil Rights Black leaders responded indignantly that integration had worked In DC For many decades. Justifiably they felt betrayed by his actions, as many had supported his campaign.

Wilson was famously the President of Princeton before becoming Entering politics and being elected President, so many forget he was a Southener ( Virginian) raised primarily in Georgia and North Carolina who was born before the Civil War and whose family were slaveowners so he grew up in that culture. So despite his rep as a reform minded intellectual at Princeton (allowing the first Jews and Roman Catholics on the board) he was adamant, unlike other Ivy League schools of not admitting Black students.

“ The birth of a Nation” used quotes of his, including the promotion of the KKK.

So yes, Wilson has a complicated legacy, for all his acknowledged accomplishments.

 

[calitennis127]

Let me share a little tidbit of information with the people on this board, since they never read any remotely right-wing sources. CNN and the Washington Post don’t report on things like this, or if they do, they do as briefly and quietly as possible.

Last week in Chicago a 3-year-old boy as well as a 13-year-old girl were killed. And yesterday this happened. This is what Moxie considers to be “the right side of history” with a black lesbian mayor (Lightfoot) and a worthless and incompetent white male leftist as governor (Pritzker). The “right side of history,” ladies and gentlemen, the right side of history:


One-year-old shot and killed in Chicago drive-by shooting

By Carly Ortiz-Lytle, Social Media Producer|
June 28, 2020

One-year-old shot and killed in Chicago drive-by shooting - Washington Examiner

A toddler died after he and his mother were shot while driving home from a laundromat in Chicago. The 22-year-old mother was driving home with her 20-month-old son on Saturday when the unidentified assailants pulled up and fired seven or eight shots into the car, according to Chicago Police...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Federberg]

I’ve long been a student of Woodrow Wilson, ( read the excellent book on the Versailles treaty:
Peacemakers: The Paris Peace Conference of 1919) , and even within the context of his own times ( arguably in contrast with say, Thomas Jefferson) Wilson was an eye brow raising racist. Department agencies that had been integrated since the end of the Civil War were segregated under his watch In the Capitol and elsewhere.

Wilson actually argued that segregation was not a public humiliation but to reduce “friction“ between Blacks and white, Civil Rights Black leaders responded indignantly that integration had worked In DC For many decades. Justifiably they felt betrayed by his actions, as many had supported his campaign.

Wilson was famously the President of Princeton before becoming Entering politics and being elected President, so many forget he was a Southener ( Virginian) raised primarily in Georgia and North Carolina who was born before the Civil War and whose family were slaveowners so he grew up in that culture. So despite his rep as a reform minded intellectual at Princeton (allowing the first Jews and Roman Catholics on the board) he was adamant, unlike other Ivy League schools of not admitting Black students.

“ The birth of a Nation” used quotes of his, including the promotion of the KKK.

So yes, Wilson has a complicated legacy, for all his acknowledged accomplishments.

yes I know. Quite stunning our resident troll calls him an icon of the left. But idiots do as dumbass's do I guess...

 

[calitennis127]

I’ve long been a student of Woodrow Wilson, ( read the excellent book on the Versailles treaty:
Peacemakers: The Paris Peace Conference of 1919) , and even within the context of his own times ( arguably in contrast with say, Thomas Jefferson) Wilson was an eye brow raising racist. Department agencies that had been integrated since the end of the Civil War were segregated under his watch In the Capitol and elsewhere.

Wilson actually argued that segregation was not a public humiliation but to reduce “friction“ between Blacks and white, Civil Rights Black leaders responded indignantly that integration had worked In DC For many decades. Justifiably they felt betrayed by his actions, as many had supported his campaign.

Wilson was famously the President of Princeton before becoming Entering politics and being elected President, so many forget he was a Southener ( Virginian) raised primarily in Georgia and North Carolina who was born before the Civil War and whose family were slaveowners so he grew up in that culture. So despite his rep as a reform minded intellectual at Princeton (allowing the first Jews and Roman Catholics on the board) he was adamant, unlike other Ivy League schools of not admitting Black students.

“ The birth of a Nation” used quotes of his, including the promotion of the KKK.

So yes, Wilson has a complicated legacy, for all his acknowledged accomplishments.

For the record, I have no affinity for Wilson at all. He was one of the demons in my reading of 20th century history. But frankly his segregationist views were nowhere close to as malevolent as his foreign policy actions or ideas.

Would you care to explain why Wilson’s beliefs about race were any worse than, say, Moxie’s? Moxie believes that blacks should be subsidized by the federal government to shoot each other, do hard drugs, and then blame their problems on Republicans hundreds of miles away. How is that any better than Wilson saying blacks and whites should be segregated from each other? At least Wilson did not encourage black people to destroy themselves and then think like anti-white Nazis politically. That’s what Moxie and her ilk do.

 

[calitennis127]

yes I know. Quite stunning our resident troll calls him an icon of the left. But idiots do as dumbass's do I guess...

I’m talking about foreign policy, you poorly read buffoon. The left absolutely loves the U.N. and no world leader was more responsible for laying the groundwork for it than Wilson. The domestic front is a different matter, but how the hell do you think Wilson was revered at Princeton for so long if the left didn’t adore him for something?

They loved his view of an international world order and international government authority.

Get up to speed, pupil. I always enjoy teaching you:

“Wilson, in contrast, believed passionately in the dream of a new international order; it had inspired him to lead the country into what was, after all, a war of choice. He bet that a massive army and compelling ideals would cleanse the world of autocracy, empire, and, with the new League of Nations, perhaps even war itself.”

The Forgotten President

Woodrow Wilson was as important as FDR or LBJ. Why aren't we celebrating his 100th anniversary?

newrepublic.com

 

[Federberg]

I’m talking about foreign policy, you poorly read buffoon. The left absolutely loves the U.N. and no world leader was more responsible for laying the groundwork for it than Wilson. The domestic front is a different matter, but how the hell do you think Wilson was revered at Princeton for so long if the left didn’t adore him for something?

They loved his view of an international world order and international government authority.

Get up to speed, pupil. I always enjoy teaching you:

“Wilson, in contrast, believed passionately in the dream of a new international order; it had inspired him to lead the country into what was, after all, a war of choice. He bet that a massive army and compelling ideals would cleanse the world of autocracy, empire, and, with the new League of Nations, perhaps even war itself.”

The Forgotten President

Woodrow Wilson was as important as FDR or LBJ. Why aren't we celebrating his 100th anniversary?

newrepublic.com

nope.. you said he was an icon of the left. Now you're trying to qualify your comments. We're all watching you mate. Rather admit your error and re-state your case, but you won't because you have the emotional and intellectual maturity of a mummy's boy who lives in a basement and fantasises about "10s". Oh wait... that's you! Dumbass...

 

[Jelenafan]

For the record, I have no affinity for Wilson at all. He was one of the demons in my reading of 20th century history. But frankly his segregationist views were nowhere close to as malevolent as his foreign policy actions or ideas.

Would you care to explain why Wilson’s beliefs about race were any worse than, say, Moxie’s? Moxie believes that blacks should be subsidized by the federal government to shoot each other, do hard drugs, and then blame their problems on Republicans hundreds of miles away. How is that any better than Wilson saying blacks and whites should be segregated from each other? At least Wilson did not encourage black people to destroy themselves and then think like anti-white Nazis politically. That’s what Moxie and her ilk do.

I will say Woodrow’s arrogance could be breathtaking. He actually took Zero , nada, zilch Republicans with him to the Versailles Treaty and somehow expected bipartisan support for his proposals, including the League of Nations. We know how that ended up.

 

[calitennis127]

nope.. you said he was an icon of the left. Now you're trying to qualify your comments.

I’m sorry for assuming too much knowledge on your part. I thought it was conventional knowledge that Wilson was adored by the left for his foreign policy views while there was discomfort over his segregationist views. This was something so basic that I thought everyone took it for granted. I guess not. You never fail to come up short in meeting even the most basic expectations.

If I say someone is an “icon of the left,” that doesn’t mean everything about them was palatable to the fashion of 2020. If I said Martin Luther King Jr was an icon of the left even though he had sex with teenage girls and sexually abused numerous women, would that be incorrect? If I said Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were icons of the left even though they imprisoned, tortured, and shot homosexuals, would that be incorrect?

Of course it wouldn’t. Being an “icon” of a political side doesn’t mean that you will meet all of its fashionable standards at certain points in the future.

We're all watching you mate. Rather admit your error and re-state your case, but you won't because you have the emotional and intellectual maturity of a mummy's boy who lives in a basement and fantasises about "10s". Oh wait... that's you! Dumbass...

Federberg, you really need to speak to a female mentor who can help you control your estrogen and get through your period better. I am always very supportive of the 10’s I am with when they are dealing with that time of the month. You need someone similar in your life. Maybe Moxie can take a break from her fruitless rhetorical attempts to help blacks and be a real-life mentor for you?

 

[calitennis127]

I will say Woodrow’s arrogance could be breathtaking. He actually took Zero , nada, zilch Republicans with him to the Versailles Treaty and somehow expected bipartisan support for his proposals, including the League of Nations. We know how that ended up.

Yes indeed. It was fitting that Wilson behaved that way in light of the hypocrisy and corruption of subsequent internationalists who followed in his footsteps. I have always regarded the U.N. as a fraud for that reason, among others.

 

[Federberg]

I’m sorry for assuming too much knowledge on your part. I thought it was conventional knowledge that Wilson was adored by the left for his foreign policy views while there was discomfort over his segregationist views. This was something so basic that I thought everyone took it for granted. I guess not. You never fail to come up short in meeting even the most basic expectations.

If I say someone is an “icon of the left,” that doesn’t mean everything about them was palatable to the fashion of 2020. If I said Martin Luther King Jr was an icon of the left even though he had sex with teenage girls and sexually abused numerous women, would that be incorrect? If I said Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were icons of the left even though they imprisoned, tortured, and shot homosexuals, would that be incorrect?

Of course it wouldn’t. Being an “icon” of a political side doesn’t mean that you will meet all of its fashionable standards at certain points in the future.



Federberg, you really need to speak to a female mentor who can help you control your estrogen and get through your period better. I am always very supportive of the 10’s I am with when they are dealing with that time of the month. You need someone similar in your life. Maybe Moxie can take a break from her fruitless rhetorical attempts to help blacks and be a real-life mentor for you?

you can try to parse all you want, you're not that smart. No one on this forum believes you

 

[Moxie]

Would you care to explain why Wilson’s beliefs about race were any worse than, say, Moxie’s? Moxie believes that blacks should be subsidized by the federal government to shoot each other, do hard drugs, and then blame their problems on Republicans hundreds of miles away. How is that any better than Wilson saying blacks and whites should be segregated from each other? At least Wilson did not encourage black people to destroy themselves and then think like anti-white Nazis politically. That’s what Moxie and her ilk do.

Listen. To. Me: I have told you before about putting words in my mouth, much less this fithy, racist BS. Make no mistake, people, those thoughts come straight out of Cali's diseased mind, and reflect nothing of my own thinking. Cali, if you ever attribute anything so vile again and attribute it to my thinking, I will petition to have it deleted. Asshole.

 

[calitennis127]

you can try to parse all you want, you're not that smart. No one on this forum believes you

Again, this is just common knowledge for anyone who knows about Wilson. He has been idolized by numerous presidents and foreign policy figures for his vision of an international world order, but many have been uncomfortable with his segregationist positions. If Wilson was known as a segregationist and nothing else, I assure you that he wouldn’t have had a public policy school at Princeton named after him all the way up until now.

I’m sorry you don’t know about this. But all I can do is try to teach.

 

[calitennis127]

Listen. To. Me: I have told you before about putting words in my mouth, much less this fithy, racist BS. Make no mistake, people, those thoughts come straight out of Cali's diseased mind, and reflect nothing of my own thinking. Cali, if you ever attribute anything so vile again and attribute it to my thinking, I will petition to have it deleted. Asshole.

Okay, but how is that wrong? That is clearly the position of the Democratic Party, especially in the case of Chicago, which had its most violent day in over 60 years a few weekends ago under the leadership of a purely Democratic political class. The only solution ever offered by people like yourself is to blame the police, then blame Republicans (even when they have zero influence in urban areas), and then call for “more funding” and “more resources” for inner city areas. This has been the playbook for decades.

You may not like how I phrased it, but that is the harsh reality. I really don’t see how Woodrow Wilson’s racial ideas are any worse than what the Democratic Party in Chicago is offering with dozens of people being shot every weekend. I don’t think Woodrow Wilson tolerated 1-year-old and 3-year-old black children being murdered in drive-by shootings, or did he?

 

[Federberg]

Again, this is just common knowledge for anyone who knows about Wilson. He has been idolized by numerous presidents and foreign policy figures for his vision of an international world order, but many have been uncomfortable with his segregationist positions. If Wilson was known as a segregationist and nothing else, I assure you that he wouldn’t have had a public policy school at Princeton named after him all the way up until now.

I’m sorry you don’t know about this. But all I can do is try to teach.

That was not what you said mate. The record is here for all to see. I'm sorry to say this but we're not a bunch of credulous Trump supporters here who believe after the fact revisions. I know Woodrow Wilson's history quite well. Some great achievements but to say that he is an icon of the left, particularly in a moment like this is such unadulterated shit that even you have to be cringing at your pathetic attempt. You are a liar. You are a troll. Statistics and basic mathematics seem to be quite beyond your intellectual ability. You peddle falsehoods about everything, but you do it with such aggression you seem to believe that folks on this forum will let you get away with it. Not here, not with me. No way no how. You pathetic little dumbass pussy you

 

[Federberg]

^And I note that you haven't been able to come up with a response about the Putin bounties, or the covid-19 spikes in Southern States. You are a little boy, who isn't man enough to own up to your stupidity. You come on here and post all sorts of shit. You're actually juvenile enough to tell us about your prowess with women which no one on here believes. We are laughing at you mate. Don't you get it? It shouldn't mean much to you because we're all here via the glorious inter web, but you are such a weak soul that it's clear that it hurts your fragile ego. Go and spend some time with your imaginary tens. The only relationship you have with women and the number 10 are the ten digits you use in your masturbatory fantasies, you utterly pathetically vile blowhard. Oh and yeah... you're a dumbass

 

[the AntiPusher]

Since AntiPusher likes to talk about personal stories that make his belly feel mushy inside.....

I just spoke to another healthcare professional (this one who works at a major hospital in the Northeast) and she told me that hospitals are reporting any and all deaths as COVID. I asked her if she believed the 120,000 number and she emphatically said "no."

I said "where would you put the number? Around 50,000?"

Her answer: "Not even."

Like I have said many times, this 120,000 number is absolute and total bullshit. But by the time the truth comes out no one will care.

Someone should have sent me a pm because apparently I'm still renting space inside your head that will always be free for me..

Wow, this is just too juicy not to pass up..( BTW you can't have it both ways in reference to your claims that I personalized my replies to you but again you want to plagiarise. )

There's a reported 120,000 deaths but the OAN latest conspiracy theory is that this number has been multiplied by 2.5 percent? Let me say something from the street because I see you want to be Federerberg's mentor in "talking hard". Cali, what are you smoking? Put the pipe down. The Covid-19 related deaths numbers are legimate.

 

[calitennis127]

That was not what you said mate. The record is here for all to see. I'm sorry to say this but we're not a bunch of credulous Trump supporters here who believe after the fact revisions. I know Woodrow Wilson's history quite well. Some great achievements but to say that he is an icon of the left, particularly in a moment like this is such unadulterated shit that even you have to be cringing at your pathetic attempt. You are a liar. You are a troll. Statistics and basic mathematics seem to be quite beyond your intellectual ability. You peddle falsehoods about everything, but you do it with such aggression you seem to believe that folks on this forum will let you get away with it. Not here, not with me. No way no how. You pathetic little dumbass pussy you

Lol.....you are just looking for anything you can to one-up me on because of how many times I have smacked you down. Nothing that I am claiming now is contradicting what I said earlier. Wilson absolutely has been an icon of the left for decades. That's why he had a prominent school named after him at Princeton for so long. But as I explained, saying that he has been an icon of the left and saying that everything he believed would have been palatable to the modern left are two totally different things. Attitudes shift and change over time. Obviously Wilson's segregationist views are completely unfashionable today, but the foreign policy establishment of the United States has loved his international ideas so much for decades that his segregationism was often overlooked.

So yes, Wilson has been an icon of the left for decades. I assumed that you knew this was the case in spite of his segregationist views. I am sorry for giving you that much credit. My apologies. I won't do it next time.