US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

well I guess the hundreds of thousands of protesters all over America and Europe are low IQ people like me then.

Yes, we agree on that. To be protesting on the basis of zero data and zero information for your case is dumb. There were less unarmed black males shot and killed by police in 2019 than unarmed whites males, and in both cases the number was so small it was negligible.

It is also ironic to see these mass protests in light of how self-righteous and sanctimonious you and the other morons protesting have been about "COVID." I guess you are all implicitly admitting that it never really was about a disease, was it? For you and your ilk, it was at best a superstition and at worst a mass political protest from people saying "life is not worth living if Donald Trump is president." Exactly what I said all along.

 

[calitennis127]

I hope they do! The GOP is extraordinarily good at controlling the narrative. They managed to make Kaeparnicks' protest against police brutality into something about patriotism which was completely ridiculous.

No, idiot. First of all, you should at least learn how to spell his name. Second, Kaepernick made it about patriotism. Did you even listen to what he had to say? Or did you just in your own mind put words in a black person's mouth to fit your narrative like white left-wing people always do?

Kaepernick did not say he was simply protesting police brutality. He said he was protesting "400 years of oppression" and he essentially said that the entire history of the U.S. was evil. Not only is that position completely dumb and hypocritical, but it is a clear condemnation of the United States per se. Don't accuse Republicans of making it about something bigger when Kaepernick himself explicitly said it was about more than clashes with police.

It makes me shake my head that historic events like the Boston Tea Party would be recast as violence and looting in this day and age, by the very people who applaud the causes of that historic dissent

Did the protesters at the Boston Tea Party burn down over 200 businesses and cause $55 million in property damage? If so, please provide the link on that info. I'd love to see it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

There were only 9 unarmed black males killed in the United States in all of 2019, you stupid mental defective. That number is utterly negligible. Like I have said many times, it is dumb, low-information, low-IQ people like you who form the base of the Democratic Party.

You don't even care when your arguments are refuted or you are presented with facts. You are too stupid to even realize when you are wrong.

One day..you are going to slip up in public and someone is going to address your concerns.. otherwise just keep hiding like bunker boy

 

[the AntiPusher]

No, idiot. First of all, you should at least learn how to spell his name. Second, Kaepernick made it about patriotism. Did you even listen to what he had to say? Or did you just in your own mind put words in a black person's mouth to fit your narrative like white left-wing people always do?
AP rebuttal:

That's a damn bald face lie..if was Trump who changed the narrative..It's always been focused about the brutal lynchings of unarmed blacks by the police. I can verify all of KAP quotes and speeches..Can you show Us where KAP said it was patriotism? Show Us or admit your lying?


Kaepernick did not say he was simply protesting police brutality. He said he was protesting "400 years of oppression" and he essentially said that the entire history of the U.S. was evil. Not only is that position completely dumb and hypocritical, but it is a clear condemnation of the United States per se. Don't accuse Republicans of making it about something bigger when Kaepernick himself explicitly said it was about more than clashes with police.



Did the protesters at the Boston Tea Party burn down over 200 businesses and cause $55 million in property damage? If so, please provide the link on that info. I'd love to see it.

 

[calitennis127]

One day..you are going to slip up in public and someone is going to address your concerns.. otherwise just keep hiding like bunker boy

Lol....look, I know how low-IQ you are, but you really don't need to continue to go even further into the ditch. You know nothing about me or my life, but you are such a guttural loser that on a message board you can't even keep an abstract conversation abstract. I have repeatedly cited the fact that only 9 unarmed black males were shot and killed in the United States in all of 2019 - a lower number than for unarmed white males. You have absolutely nothing to say back, so you go the personal route.

Then, allow me to go personal on you: no one on this board, except you, has repeatedly asked for people to meet with him in person in the course of routine conversations. That shows something is really off with your psychology and your life. You also write English on the level of someone for whom English is a 4th language that they are struggling with. You are subliterate, philistine, and anti-intellectual.

You cannot engage a serious argument. You can only vent your emotions with patched-together phrases and utterances that sometimes resemble sentences. Reading your posts is the intellectual equivalent of watching a warthog dig into the ground.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Lol....look, I know how low-IQ you are, but you really don't need to continue to go even further into the ditch. You know nothing about me or my life, but you are such a guttural loser that on a message board you can't even keep an abstract conversation abstract. I have repeatedly cited the fact that only 9 unarmed black males were shot and killed in the United States in all of 2019 - a lower number than for unarmed white males. You have absolutely nothing to say back, so you go the personal route.

Then, allow me to go personal on you: no one on this board, except you, has repeatedly asked for people to meet with him in person in the course of routine conversations. That shows something is really off with your psychology and your life. You also write English on the level of someone for whom English is a 4th language that they are struggling with. You are subliterate, philistine, and anti-intellectual.

You cannot engage a serious argument. You can only vent your emotions with patched-together phrases and utterances that sometimes resemble sentences. Reading your posts is the intellectual equivalent of watching a warthog dig into the ground.

There's nothing special about you.. I'm not missing any significant thoughts or any intellectual knowledge transfer because you are absence of any intellectual property. Yes, you try to gaslighting which may fly with some tennis troll trying to have competitive banter about their desired champion. I don't have to justify my intellect with you. I don't have to respond with name calling to a known present day Nazi. I will not respond to this topic because you refuse to tell the truth. I guess you're just a product of your environment which always begins with mental health and ends with Institutions.

 

[Federberg]

There's nothing special about you.. I'm not missing any significant thoughts or any intellectual knowledge transfer because you are absence of any intellectual property. Yes, you try to gaslighting which may fly with some tennis troll trying to have competitive banter about their desired champion. I don't have to justify my intellect with you. I don't have to respond with name calling to a known present day Nazi. I will not respond to this topic because you refuse to tell the truth. I guess you're just a product of your environment which always begins with mental health and ends with Institutions.

You're wrong AP! He's special. He gets all the 10s remember. He's a special special guy!

 

[calitennis127]

 

[calitennis127]

I don't have to respond with name calling to a known present day Nazi. I will not respond to this topic because you refuse to tell the truth.

Look, I'll take a break from being mean to you for a second and ask you two adult questions:

1) What makes someone a Nazi? Please define the term. You can cite a historian like Richard Evans (who wrote a 3-volume work on The Third Reich) if you please.

2) How am I "refusing to tell the truth" when I say that only 9 unarmed black males were killed in the United States in all of 2019? You have refused to address this statistic in favor of hurling names.

There you go.....

The floor is yours.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Look, I'll take a break from being mean to you for a second and ask you two adult questions:

1) What makes someone a Nazi? Please define the term. You can cite a historian like Richard Evans (who wrote a 3-volume work on The Third Reich) if you please.

2) How am I "refusing to tell the truth" when I say that only 9 unarmed black males were killed in the United States in all of 2019? You have refused to address this statistic in favor of hurling names.

There you go.....

The floor is yours.

You refuse to acknowledge the reason for the protest.. until then find someone else who wants to go down your Rabbit holes

 

[the AntiPusher]

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So your twisted philosophy is you can accept the smaller ratio of blacks that are getting lynched as oppose to the ones who are performing territorial genocide on each other. Do I have it correctly?

 

[Moxie]

I agree it's not an official Dem cause, but the simple fact is that activists will get associated with the party. My point is that the Democratic Party needs to be careful about that. And yes Biden has distanced himself from it, but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't going to try to tie him to it. This isn't about facts, it's about branding. It might not be enough to distance oneself, Dems might need to create their own brand. After all space will be filled in a vacuum. I would hope we've learned that by now

I know why you're saying this and I do agree. Trump has already signaled that he's going with "law and order." (I told @britbox why that's pretty "coded" language here.) For sure the Republicans will use the recent "unrest" as a talking point in the upcoming election. (Just as Dems will use the economy and Trump's handling of the pandemic, to be fair.) But, in a vacuum, the Dems could be painted with the brush of "defunding the police." I'd suggest a strong and smart initiative in terms of how to reform policing, how to get rid of bad cops, and how to reassign some duties to agencies better suited to handling them. It's what needs to be done, without pushing an agenda that most in America would be comfortable with.

 

[Moxie]

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Hold on a second, Mr. "only 9 unarmed black people were killed in 2019." (By police, I believe we're talking about.) Didn't you also compare that with 19 unarmed white men? That is not a proportional representation, no matter how you look at it. And, if you're going with "only," it still sucks, for the black men and the white men. Unarmed people, and often innocent of crimes, being killed by cops. Something still needs to be done about that, wouldn't you say? Or is that collateral damage you can live with?

 

[Moxie]

No, idiot. First of all, you should at least learn how to spell his name. Second, Kaepernick made it about patriotism. Did you even listen to what he had to say? Or did you just in your own mind put words in a black person's mouth to fit your narrative like white left-wing people always do?

Kaepernick did not say he was simply protesting police brutality. He said he was protesting "400 years of oppression" and he essentially said that the entire history of the U.S. was evil. Not only is that position completely dumb and hypocritical, but it is a clear condemnation of the United States per se. Don't accuse Republicans of making it about something bigger when Kaepernick himself explicitly said it was about more than clashes with police.

Ever since I corrected you on some misunderstandings of words, you have become the spelling and grammar police here. You might give that a rest. We all type too fast. It's not like Kaepernick is easy to spell.

That said, no Kaepernick didn't make it about "patriotism." Trump and the NFL did. Sure he was protesting 400 years of oppression. But what he said, actually: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder", referencing a series of African-American deaths caused by law enforcement that led to the Black Lives Matter movement and adding that he would continue to protest until he feels like "[the American flag] represents what it's supposed to represent".

Did he say that US history was "evil?" I didn't read that. And what about this kind of resistance and protest is un-American? Even Aaron Rodgers said that this has never been about the anthem or the flag. I do not understand why the opening of a sporting even needs to be a display of patriotism. And certainly NOT participating in it shouldn't be cause for losing your job, or being labeled "unpatriotic," or "against the troops." Colin Kaepernick never did anything wrong. He just reacted to his conscience. Conservatives objected to this peaceful protest. Now they object to angrier protest. What are people actually allowed to do, to react in anger to the killing of an innocent man with a cop's knee on his neck for nearly 9 minutes? Staying there even when he had no pulse. When he said he couldn't breathe, when he cried for his mother.

Did the protesters at the Boston Tea Party burn down over 200 businesses and cause $55 million in property damage? If so, please provide the link on that info. I'd love to see it.

Now this is where you are just being a dummy. What the protesters at the Boston Tea Party specifically did was a direct action against the East India Tea Company. It was a big company. You can argue the dollars and relative worth at the time, but it was exactly the same thing as what is happening now. Hit them where they live...in the money belt. How is this different?

 

[calitennis127]

Hold on a second, Mr. "only 9 unarmed black people were killed in 2019." (By police, I believe we're talking about.) Didn't you also compare that with 19 unarmed white men? That is not a proportional representation, no matter how you look at it.

This is why, again, I say that the Democratic Party voter base is low-information and outright dumb. Do you know the details of what happened in those 9 cases? They were violent encounters in which the use of force by the police officer was typically justified. Some time in the next few days I will go through and list the names and what occurred for you. Apparently you think those 9 unarmed blacks suspects were the equivalent of an innocent pet whose owner came home after a bad day of work and started taking their frustration out on them. To put it mildly, that was not the case.

Now, as for perspective, even if the unarmed suspects were killed completely without justification (which was not the case, but let's say for the sake of argument that it was), a number of 9 for the entire country is utterly negligible. It's not enough reason to hold mass protests and talk as though an entire race of people is being mowed down indiscriminately. That is an utterly ludicrous conclusion to be drawn. There are roughly 40 million black people in the United States. Assuming half of them are male, that leaves a proportion of 9 over 20 million, or .0000045% that were killed by police in 2019 while unarmed.

And that is worth causing hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage in multiple cities over? Please.

Unarmed people, and often innocent of crimes, being killed by cops. Something still needs to be done about that, wouldn't you say?

Maybe you should consider the possibility that in these instances the cops may occasionally be right. Even if they were always wrong in killing unarmed suspects (which is not the case, but again, let's assume for the sake of argument that they were always wrong), the total number of cases in which they kill unarmed suspects is utterly miniscule. In 2019, there were roughly 10 million arrests in the United States and only 41 of them resulted in the fatal shooting of an unarmed suspect. That's 41 over 10 million, or .0000041% - again, an utterly trivial percentage not worth tearing cities down over (and, again, only 9 of those 41 unarmed suspects were black males).

So, to answer your question directly, I don't think the killing of unarmed suspects is such a widespread problem that it needs to be dealt with because, unlike you, I don't think .0000041% is a large number.

But, in the rare cases where such killings occur and are unjustified, there are already rules on the books to punish the officers and prosecute them. I support those rules.

Or is that collateral damage you can live with?

A number of 41 out of 10 million arrests is such a tiny number it is negligible. But, if you want to talk about "collateral damage," why don't you address the massive and disturbing black-on-black homicide rate that white leftists like yourself have tolerated, covered up, rationalized, excused, and, yes, promoted in major cities for decades?

Is what happened in Chicago this past weekend just "collateral damage you can live with"? Wait, I know the answer to that one: of course it is.

 

[calitennis127]

You refuse to acknowledge the reason for the protest.. until then find someone else who wants to go down your Rabbit holes

I know full well the reason for the protests.....people in general (but particularly blacks and white leftists) believe that blacks are being killed in huge numbers by white racist cops in the United States. They also think that the entire socioeconomic system of the country is unjust toward them and that the USA is fundamentally an evil/racist (the two words are synonymous to them) country.

So I absolutely acknowledge the reason for the protest.....I just point out that there is no data to back up the beliefs of the protesters. There is no evidence that black people are treated unfairly by police. You may want to look at the work of Heather MacDonald, a highly educated woman and excellent crime researcher from the Manhattan Institute. She is far more rational than Moxie.

"In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer."

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

Opinion | The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

www.wsj.com

 

[calitennis127]

So your twisted philosophy is you can accept the smaller ratio of blacks that are getting lynched as oppose to the ones who are performing territorial genocide on each other. Do I have it correctly?

No, what I am saying is that the occurrence of white-on-black homicide (whether by police or otherwise) is so rare compared to black-on-black homicide that it simply is not rational to worry about the former more than the latter. Look at the chart. If you actually care about black lives - as opposed to simply attacking white Republicans - you would focus on the cause that is responsible for taking black lives roughly 90% of the time as opposed to what is taking black lives no more than 5% of the time.

My position is that the 24 black bodies that were killed this past weekend in Chicago were no less valuable than the life of George Floyd, while you evidently think that George Floyd's life was more valuable than those other 24 in Chicago because of who killed him and what that symbolizes politically.

Also, the blacks you are mentioning are not getting "lynched." That is ridiculously emotive language that does not apply in the current context.

You may want to take note of the fact that between 2012 and 2015, there were roughly 630,000 violent interracial victimizations, excluding homicides, between blacks and whites. Blacks committed roughly 540,000, or 85%, of those felonious assaults on whites, while whites committed roughly 90,000, or 15 percent, on blacks. (These are numbers from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.)

The white-on-black crimes are wrong, of course, and they should be condemned, but the number for those incidents is nowhere even close to the black-on-white number, which never gets talked about. And despite the fact that I am aware of these numbers, I don't mimic your ridiculously emotive language about lynching in how I characterize these black-on-white crimes. I just say they occurred. Unlike you, I am not trying to demonize an entire race.

 

[calitennis127]

Yep, a lot of white people are coming out in support of the Black Lives Matter protests. You have a problem with that?

I have an immense problem with both the black and white people coming out in support of the Black Lives Matter protests. I have a problem with the black left (which is about 90% of the black electorate) because they have a completely irrational and self-destructive hatred for the Republican Party and increasingly they are seething with a vengeful hatred for all of white society. If you want to talk about irrational, hysterical, and outright evil Nazi-like racism, blacks are increasingly demonstrating just that. And they are becoming this way on the basis of outright lies about the extent of police and overall white violence toward their communities.

If you believe that people of all races are equal, then you should consider the possibility that blacks are just as capable of racial animosity as anyone else. And it is clearer by the day that their hatred for whites is getting out of control.

As for white leftists: I don't know where to start with them. I could write a 500-page volume on all of the problems I have with them. In this particular matter, they are being completely substandard slobs in not even bothering to research basic statistics on interracial crime. They are also demonstrating a completely philistine and ignorant attitude toward key figures of the past (such as Churchill), while pretending to be intellectual. And when it comes to black leftism, they are emboldening blacks to be utterly hateful, unhinged racial extortionists. Unlike white leftists, I actually listen to blacks and what they say instead of putting words in their mouths.

What you don't realize, Moxie, is that in the name of combating racism you and your white leftist ilk are doing more to promote it and inflame it than anyone ever has. You are making minorities, particularly blacks, into the most race-obsessed, vengeful race-fanatics imaginable.

As I just said above, if you truly believe in racial equality (at least in a spiritual sense), then you have to acknowledge that blacks are just as capable of evil as whites. And what you and your white left-wing ilk are doing is egging them along to be maniacal racial extortionists. To give you just three examples, this is the world you are creating. And it will be one in which saying "I'm white but I voted for Obama" will not be an adequate defense:


“Wealth Transfer Is Exactly What’s Needed” – BET Founder Calls for $14 Trillion in Reparations to 42 Million African American Including a $350,767 One-Time Payment

"Wealth Transfer Is Exactly What's Needed" - BET Founder Calls for $14 Trillion in Reparations to 42 Million African American Including a $350,767 One-Time Payment | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft | 2

BET Founder Bob Johnson called today for a $14.7 Trillion reparations package for 42 million African Americans.

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‘Give Up the Home You Own’: Black Lives Matter Activist Makes List of ‘Requests’ For White People

‘Give Up the Home You Own’: Black Lives Matter Activist Makes List of ‘Requests’ For White People

‘Give Up the Home You Own’: Black Lives Matter Activist Makes List of ‘Requests’ For White People

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Get On Your Knees Because You Have White Privilege

Though I do seem to continually have to remind you that, percentage-wise, that still over-represents black men, in proportion to the population of the US.

Oh, so now you want to talk about proportionality. Well, allow me to cite Heather MacDonald in the Wall Street Journal:

"In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population."

In other words.....blacks actually get killed by the police at only half the rate that their proportion of crime would predict. So, yes, you're right their proportions don't match up - just not in the way you mean. They actually get killed by police at only half the rate that according to your logic should be what's taking place.

 

[calitennis127]

I guess you don't understand the sensitivity of the notion of "law and order" in the context of history, the civil rights movement and the surge of the NRA.

Well this black left-wing civil rights attorney (Leo Terrell) has been on Fox calling for "law and order" in the past week and a half. Does that mean he doesn't understand the Civil Rights movement now, even after fighting for black civil rights throughout his entire professional life?

Is Mr. Terrell being insensitive to fellow blacks by pointing out that the looting and property destruction will in the long run hurt blacks the most because many of those jobs they would otherwise hold won't be coming back? Is he selling out his race by saying these things?

I guess so.....Moxie understands blacks better than they understand themselves (at least when they dissent from the Democratic Party line).

 

[Moxie]

I have an immense problem with both the black and white people coming out in support of the Black Lives Matter protests. I have a problem with the black left (which is about 90% of the black electorate) because they have a completely irrational and self-destructive hatred for the Republican Party and increasingly they are seething with a vengeful hatred for all of white society. If you want to talk about irrational, hysterical, and outright evil Nazi-like racism, blacks are increasingly demonstrating just that. And they are becoming this way on the basis of outright lies about the extent of police and overall white violence toward their communities.

I guess that says a lot. So the protests are about you, and how afraid you are of black people. And I guess that kind of sums it up for some small-minded white folks. It goes without saying that you haven't been to any of these marches, or have any idea what is in the hearts and minds of people participating in them. One clue, Zippy...it's not hatred. Try outrage. Try fear. Try deep, deep sadness.