US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

Can't read it...it's behind a pay wall. But either you don't understand the discussion, or you are blowing smoke, as usual. Even if the numbers were lower in 2019, you refuse to address that blacks killed by cops are disproportionately over-represented.

Not true. They are actually under-represented to a very significant degree based on crime rates. Again, here is MacDonald:

""In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. "

And the discussion is not about how many cops are killed by blacks. I don't know how you can seriously disregard how many blacks are stopped for no reason and often end up dead for nothing or little.

Sentence 1: this is not about cops killing blacks. Sentence 2: this about cops killing blacks.

Are you okay Moxie? Are you tripping on something? You must be if you think 9 people total in a country of 330 million, including 40 million blacks, is a consequential figure. It's not.

 

[calitennis127]

I’m not so sure. Could say the same for Esper. Even Barr is backing away from the fiasco now

A fiasco, huh? Like the geriatric Botox model Nancy Pelosi wearing the cloth of African slave traders? Why didn't you condemn this "photo op"?

Democrats Wore the Kente Cloth to Honor Geoge Floyd – The Same Fabric of the Ashanti Slave Traders
Published June 10, 2020

Figures. Democrats Wore the Kente Cloth to Honor Geoge Floyd - The Same Fabric of the Ashanti Slave Traders | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Some things never change.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[calitennis127]

This is the "right side of history" to Federberg. And apparently Melting Pot Moxie supports this - the burning down of Asian restaurants and businesses.

Can anyone imagine if Trump supporters had done this?

Is this what Moxie means when she celebrates the "melting pot"?

Good job guys. I hope you're proud of applauding this nihilistic, cretinous behavior. It's really inclusive and it's on "the right side of history."

Sure. Without a doubt. This was just like the Boston Tea Party. And like Federberg and CNN say, it was "mostly peaceful."


79 Korean Businesses & Several Viet Businesses Looted and Destroyed
June 3, 2020

79 Korean Businesses & Several Viet Businesses Looted and Destroyed - Asian Dawn

June 3, 2020 The numbers are staggering. Hundreds of Asian owned businesses have been destroyed and with them, the hopes and dreams of hundreds of hard-working Asian families across the United States. It is not clear how many Chinese-American, Indian-American, and other Asian businesses have...

www.asian-dawn.com

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....the equating of the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag has been very common in media and educational circles in the last 10 years. It is completely irrational and fact-free, but it has become a cliche. Don't accuse me of coming up with it.

You brought it up on here, at the same time saying that anyone equating those things was an ignoramus, or whatever. You are the one and only person who has ever mentioned it here, so the idiot is you on that one.

Well, Moxie, apparently Abraham Lincoln was on the wrong side too. The nihilistic, civilization-hating, book-burning, low-information, uncultured cretins you ally yourself with just blew up an Abraham Lincoln monument, apparently on the grounds that he did not have the idiotic views on race of Democrats in 2020. When Trump said after Charlottesville that the left is coming for everything, he was right. Robert E. Lee was one of the most honorable people in this country's history, which is why Lincoln offered him command of the Union army. Once there was no respect for Lee, it was only a matter of time before they started coming for everything and everyone else, Lincoln included.

Abraham Lincoln Monument Torched In Chicago
June 11, 2020

OK, that happened in 2017, around the time of the Charlottesville riots. The statue was painted black, and then it was also set on fire. Very likely the work of white supremacists, by all accounts. Again, you are blowing smoke.

In Englewood, cherished Abe Lincoln statue is broken, vanishes, then resurfaces

A pale gray curl of snow spun in the air where the statue once stood. It had been a modest memorial, occupying a narrow median of grass, between the rusting padlocked ruins of a Chicago gas station…

www.chicagotribune.com

Yes, out of shallowness, ignorance, laziness, hatred, and bigotry.

This comment was in response to mine where I said: "And you may not like this idea, but there are plenty of people who see it as a racist symbol." You say that is shallow? I would like you to justify that comment. Or any notion that the Confederate battle flag being racist is based on ignorance, laziness, hatred or bigotry. Hatred and bigotry towards whom? White people? They're not even all Southerners who display it. Where is the "laziness" or "ignorance" in seeing that flag as a symbol of racism? It does come from an actual understanding of the history of the Civil War, which was fought over the issue of slavery. That flag symbolizes not only a disregard for the union of these United States, it stands for a position of pro-slavery. What part of that is lost on you? What part of that is a shallow understanding of the symbolism of it?

 

[Moxie]

I’m not so sure. Could say the same for Esper. Even Barr is backing away from the fiasco now

If the history of Trump tells us anything, they could all be out. Barr would be the only shocker. Where would Trump go from there? He's burned through 5 in 3+ years.

 

[Moxie]

A fiasco, huh? Like the geriatric Botox model Nancy Pelosi wearing the cloth of African slave traders? Why didn't you condemn this "photo op"?

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Democrats Wore the Kente Cloth to Honor Geoge Floyd – The Same Fabric of the Ashanti Slave Traders
Published June 10, 2020

Stand by...you won't accept the symbolism of the Confederate flag, but now you're all over the kente cloth? As if you even knew before you read this. But you know full well what the Confederate flag means, and you still downplay it.

The Ashanti weren't only slave traders, they were also slaves, and brought their craft with them:

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[Federberg]

Lol.....the equating of the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag has been very common in media and educational circles in the last 10 years. It is completely irrational and fact-free, but it has become a cliche. Don't accuse me of coming up with it.



Well, Moxie, apparently Abraham Lincoln was on the wrong side too. The nihilistic, civilization-hating, book-burning, low-information, uncultured cretins you ally yourself with just blew up an Abraham Lincoln monument, apparently on the grounds that he did not have the idiotic views on race of Democrats in 2020. When Trump said after Charlottesville that the left is coming for everything, he was right. Robert E. Lee was one of the most honorable people in this country's history, which is why Lincoln offered him command of the Union army. Once there was no respect for Lee, it was only a matter of time before they started coming for everything and everyone else, Lincoln included.

Abraham Lincoln Monument Torched In Chicago
June 11, 2020

'An Absolute Disgraceful Act': Abraham Lincoln Monument Defaced, Follows 2017 Damage in Chicago | The Gateway Pundit | by Eric A. Blair

Corrected: This post has been updated and corrected to indicate the incident in Chicago occurred in 2017 and was followed by the defacing of the Lincoln Monument in Washington D.C.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Yes, out of shallowness, ignorance, laziness, hatred, and bigotry.

I guess we should chalk this up to your ignorance but in Germany the Nazi flag is illegal and so the far right has taken to using the Confederate flag, must you continue to embarrass yourself so flagrantly and publicly??

 

[Vince Evert]

I have long come to the conclusion you AMERICANS will elect anyone to the POTUS...no matter how ridiculous.

As it stands, in 5 months time american folks are left to choose two people,who in the real world would be flat out holding down a job in today's climate, as the next president.....and no one in between !

if those are the only two party leaders you have or can come up with, then I'm sorry to say but you deserve the standard of government you have...now and for the next 4 years.

 

[Federberg]

A fiasco, huh? Like the geriatric Botox model Nancy Pelosi wearing the cloth of African slave traders? Why didn't you condemn this "photo op"?

View attachment 3796

Democrats Wore the Kente Cloth to Honor Geoge Floyd – The Same Fabric of the Ashanti Slave Traders
Published June 10, 2020

Figures. Democrats Wore the Kente Cloth to Honor Geoge Floyd - The Same Fabric of the Ashanti Slave Traders | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Some things never change.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

lol! It was cringeworthy there's no argument there! But it's hardly equivalent to a sitting President violating his oath..

 

[Vince Evert]

Last week where President Trump made his speech outside some church, effectively he has declared war on America and held up a bible in doing so.

 

[Vince Evert]

John Legend's tweet sums things up-

#BunkerBoy Trump had to prove he could walk in broad daylight today so he sicced the police on peaceful protesters so he could stand there and awkwardly hold the Bible. Dear God. We need to end this nightmare of a presidency. https://t.co/umEY90OTcy

— John Legend (@johnlegend) June 2, 2020

 

[the AntiPusher]

I guess we should chalk this up to your ignorance but in Germany the Nazi flag is illegal and so the far right has taken to using the Confederate flag, must you continue to embarrass yourself so flagrantly and publicly??

Ignorance and just a real Asshole just like his leader Trump.

 

[Federberg]

It's just too funny. The Trump reelection campaign doesn't want to be held liable for any covid-19 infections for people who attend rallies. I thought it was all fake news?

 

[calitennis127]

I guess we should chalk this up to your ignorance but in Germany the Nazi flag is illegal and so the far right has taken to using the Confederate flag, must you continue to embarrass yourself so flagrantly and publicly??

Germany is the most politically insane country on earth. They consider even the slightest dissent from left-wing orthodoxy to be "far right."

That aside, equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag is just downright ignorant. No one did it in the decades after World War II. No one who actually knew anything about the two wars did that.

The Confederate flag was actually the first American flag flown over Japan during the Battle of Okinawa.

So let me get this straight.....a flag flown to celebrate defeating the Nazis and their allies is now a Nazi flag? If the Southerners who flew it were such Nazis, why did they agree to fight the Nazi side?

"The first American flag to fly over the conquered Japanese fortress at Shuri Castle during the World War II battle of Okinawa was the Confederate battle flag."

Okinawa Confederate Flag – Abbeville Institute

www.abbevilleinstitute.org

 

[Moxie]

Germany is the most politically insane country on earth. They consider even the slightest dissent from left-wing orthodoxy to be "far right."

That aside, equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag is just downright ignorant. No one did it in the decades after World War II. No one who actually knew anything about the two wars did that.

The Confederate flag was actually the first American flag flown over Japan during the Battle of Okinawa.

So let me get this straight.....a flag flown to celebrate defeating the Nazis and their allies is now a Nazi flag? If the Southerners who flew it were such Nazis, why did they agree to fight the Nazi side?

"The first American flag to fly over the conquered Japanese fortress at Shuri Castle during the World War II battle of Okinawa was the Confederate battle flag."

Okinawa Confederate Flag – Abbeville Institute

www.abbevilleinstitute.org

That is your worst straw man of all time. Seriously.

 

[calitennis127]

That is your worst straw man of all time. Seriously.

It's not a straw man at all. I have heard numerous leftists in recent years equate the Confederate flag with the swastika, even though numerous Southern soldiers were flying Confederate flags during World War II as they fought against the Nazis.

Of course, the left is now equating the American flag itself with Nazism.....in only a few years there will be demands to completely yank it down as offensive. What Kaepernick did was only a first step. Abraham Lincoln's monument in Chicago was just blown up, and you don't want to face up to what kind of uncultured, philistine, civilization-destroying monster the left has actually become.

 

[calitennis127]

Here is a defense of Robert E. Lee from President Eisenhower, who kept a picture of Robert E. Lee in his office. This comes in the form of a letter written to a dentist who himself had written a letter to Eisenhower questioning why he admired Lee.


August 9, 1960
Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower


Detractors will likely point to Eisenhower’s friendship with Lee biographer Douglas Southall Freeman and his use of the term “War between the States” as an indication that he was blinded by the Lost Cause mentality of the time. Nevertheless, there is no disputing that Dwight D. Eisenhower – raised in Kansas, graduate of West Point, Supreme Allied Commander of World War II, five-star general, and President of the United States – admired Robert E. Lee for his character without considering him a traitor to the uniform or the country.

Dwight D. Eisenhower in Defense of Robert E. Lee

Robert E. Lee remains one of the most polarizing figures of the Civil War (or War Between the States). Debates and opinions abound in newspapers, books, and social media as to whether Lee is a pers…

www.civilwarprofiles.com

 

[Federberg]

Here is a defense of Robert E. Lee from President Eisenhower, who kept a picture of Robert E. Lee in his office. This comes in the form of a letter written to a dentist who himself had written a letter to Eisenhower questioning why he admired Lee.


August 9, 1960
Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower


Detractors will likely point to Eisenhower’s friendship with Lee biographer Douglas Southall Freeman and his use of the term “War between the States” as an indication that he was blinded by the Lost Cause mentality of the time. Nevertheless, there is no disputing that Dwight D. Eisenhower – raised in Kansas, graduate of West Point, Supreme Allied Commander of World War II, five-star general, and President of the United States – admired Robert E. Lee for his character without considering him a traitor to the uniform or the country.

Dwight D. Eisenhower in Defense of Robert E. Lee

Robert E. Lee remains one of the most polarizing figures of the Civil War (or War Between the States). Debates and opinions abound in newspapers, books, and social media as to whether Lee is a pers…

www.civilwarprofiles.com

so what?

 

[calitennis127]

so what?

I know that you are a philistine who agrees with the statue-destroying cretins in Western Europe and North America, but for anyone who takes even a slight interest in history the Eisenhower letter I posted has value. I'm sorry that you can't address the substance of what Eisenhower said and you think on a simplistic 5th-grade level about "slavery."

Of course, you just defended the people in Minneapolis who burned a bookstore to the ground. You called this "peaceful protesting." It's fitting that you would defend book burning in light of your response to the Eisenhower letter.

It's funny how you and CNN condemn "fascism" but you are EXACTLY like the Nazis. Exactly. You are anti-Nazi Nazis. You condone violence and then call it "peace." It's "peaceful protesting" to burn down book stores apparently.

 

[Federberg]

I know that you are a philistine who agrees with the statue-destroying cretins in Western Europe and North America, but for anyone who takes even a slight interest in history the Eisenhower letter I posted has value. I'm sorry that you can't address the substance of what Eisenhower said and you think on a simplistic 5th-grade level about "slavery."

Of course, you just defended the people in Minneapolis who burned a bookstore to the ground. You called this "peaceful protesting." It's fitting that you would defend book burning in light of your response to the Eisenhower letter.

It's funny how you and CNN condemn "fascism" but you are EXACTLY like the Nazis. Exactly. You are anti-Nazi Nazis. You condone violence and then call it "peace." It's "peaceful protesting" to burn down book stores apparently.

lol! Don't presume to speak for me you dumbass troll. What does it matter if Eisenhower defended Lee? He was a great President by the way. George Washington had slaves I believe. Winston Churchill was a rabid white supremacist. So what? It doesn't take away from their greatness. They were great in a moment that needed something specific from them. That didn't make them perfect, or align their values with what we - most of us - know to be true. Racism is evil. Confederates were a bunch of traitorous losers who lost, and deserve no statues or memorialisation of their past