US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

AP, just ignore him. He's pretending to know the political affiliation of the people IN the photos.

Are you seriously that fucking stupid? Antifa has been rioting and looting for over 3 years now. And it is primarily comprised of white leftists who agree with your moronic worldview.

He's both baiting and hopelessly clueless about race in America.

No, I know it far better than your dumb ass. White leftists such as yourself are the number one problem for black people in America. You are a total cancer and it would be better if none of you ever opened your mouth about politics again or voted. White leftists are worse for America and the world than ISIS.

He pretends he's Mr. I Know More about Black Experience than All-Ya'll. Right.

Yes, I do. You are a fool.

 

[Federberg]

You are COMPLETELY missing the point. I do not need to look at the data to know that racism exists, I need to look at the data to see how racism manifests itself. If people start from the conclusion, then no conversation is needed, and the only possible outcome is conflict.

I think the MLK quote is completely out of context. The times are different, the direct action needed back then was to CHANGE THE LAWS. The laws have been changed, now they need to be enforced. I am not saying people should not be out there protesting, I am only questioning which is the more effective way to protest. By the way, I completely agree with the way Colin Kaepernick protested. And I ask you this: what is more potent? People burning things five nights after the fact, or policemen calmly kneeling in sign of protest? Can I simply ask this question? Or I need to keep reading that my head is buried in the sand or BB is part of the problem?

Even saying that is hiding from the blatantly obvious. You actually need data to see how racism manifest itself?? Come on man... I gave you an example in my response to you! As for MLK's quote being out of context? That's truly hilarious. It fits perfectly. The point is that changing the laws were clearly not enough, but the majority has chosen to hide behind the good fight being won, when the lived experience of Americans tells you that it isn't. As for Colin Kaepernick. Don't make me go back into the tapes to see what you said at the time. I'll fkg do it

 

[calitennis127]

This is a quote from Martin, which I've been hearing a lot today.

There were far better educated and far more intelligent blacks in American history than "Dr." Martin Luther King Jr, who plagiarized his doctoral dissertation at Boston University and made healthy race relations in this country impossible. He is part of the reason why race relations are so terrible in the United States today (the main reason being the social influence of white leftists, who are the most dangerous demographic on the planet). King taught blacks to hate whites as permanent oppressors and permanently divided this country as black v. white.

Sadly, it's 50 years old, and still completely relevant:

Sadly, the ideas of white leftists like yourself have failed miserably for 50 years-plus, and you still are too dumb to realize it. Sadly, blacks have given mindless 90%-plus support to the vile Democratic Party, which has oversaw the ruin of cities and widespread misery and self-destruction for much of black America. And that is the legacy of "Dr." Martin Luther King. All sad indeed.....

As for the inane quote of "Martin".....

…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots.

Yes, such as the social influence of white leftists, black allegiance to the vile Democratic Party and, in fact, the existence of the Democratic Party itself. Those are the conditions that lead to the riots.

But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard.

No, black leftists have been heard plenty in the last 50 years. Cities like Baltimore haven't had a Republican mayor in decades with blacks constantly voting for the Democratic Party in massive numbers and Democrats have run various cities to the ground. Black left-wing concerns have always dominated public discourse to a large degree. There has been plenty of "hearing" of black leftists in recent decades.

And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met.

Actually, King clearly did not even know his own society very well. Blacks were advancing and prospering in the 1940s and 1950s before his ideas came along and ruined black areas all over the country.

And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity.

Perfect description of the white leftists who blacks have allied themselves with in the Democratic Party and who are the #1 problem in the United States.

And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay.

Yes, not discrediting, humiliating, and suppressing white leftists has been the main reason we are having these riots.

And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.

Agreed. So let's put Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strzok, and McCabe in jail to begin the process of smashing the white left and throwing it in the dustbin of history.

Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Progress is impossible as long as white leftists have the influence they do. They are the number one enemies of black people in America.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I've stated it at least three times AP, but keep ignoring it at your leisure.

Dr King stated "Rioting are the Language of the voices of the Unheard".

 

[calitennis127]

it's funny you know. We grade him on this curve so it's easy to miss this very obvious point. He really is just watching tv, playing golf and tweeting. I hope voters take note. He doesn't want to win re-election for them, clearly just for himself!

Are you that fucking stupid? Wait, I know the answer.....yes you are.

Most of the Democratic leadership in urban areas has no interest in complying with Trump on anything. They enjoy grandstanding against him. The black female mayor of Chicago just said "F U" to trump in a press conference.

It's amazing how the incompetent, stupid, low-IQ Democratic Party takes no blame for anything. Their cities are on fire because of their rhetoric and their voters and their constituents, yet they want to blame Trump. It is beyond stupid.

Also, when this exact same thing happened in Baltimore, Ferguson, Milwaukee, Oakland, and Charlotte during Obama's presidency I don't remember hearing that Obama had abdicated leadership. Why is that? Well, we all know the answer. It was one of a million double standards in how Republicans and Democrats are treated - just like how DeSantis gets no credit for repressing COVID in Florida, while Cuomo gets no blame for handling it worse than any other governor in the USA.

The good thing about these riots is that they have made a total mockery of the "COVID" fraud and they are richly deserved by the Democratic leaders of the cities where the riots are. The Democrats deserve every bit of this.

 

[the AntiPusher]

There were far better educated and far more intelligent blacks in American history than "Dr." Martin Luther King Jr, who plagiarized his doctoral dissertation at Boston University and made healthy race relations in this country impossible. He is part of the reason why race relations are so terrible in the United States today (the main reason being the social influence of white leftists, who are the most dangerous demographic on the planet). King taught blacks to hate whites as permanent oppressors and permanently divided this country as black v. white.



Sadly, the ideas of white leftists like yourself have failed miserably for 50 years-plus, and you still are too dumb to realize it. Sadly, blacks have given mindless 90%-plus support to the vile Democratic Party, which has oversaw the ruin of cities and widespread misery and self-destruction for much of black America. And that is the legacy of "Dr." Martin Luther King. All sad indeed.....

As for the inane quote of "Martin".....



Yes, such as the social influence of white leftists, black allegiance to the vile Democratic Party and, in fact, the existence of the Democratic Party itself. Those are the conditions that lead to the riots.



No, black leftists have been heard plenty in the last 50 years. Cities like Baltimore haven't had a Republican mayor in decades with blacks constantly voting for the Democratic Party in massive numbers and Democrats have run various cities to the ground. Black left-wing concerns have always dominated public discourse to a large degree. There has been plenty of "hearing" of black leftists in recent decades.



Actually, King clearly did not even know his own society very well. Blacks were advancing and prospering in the 1940s and 1950s before his ideas came along and ruined black areas all over the country.



Perfect description of the white leftists who blacks have allied themselves with in the Democratic Party and who are the #1 problem in the United States.



Yes, not discrediting, humiliating, and suppressing white leftists has been the main reason we are having these riots.



Agreed. So let's put Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strzok, and McCabe in jail to begin the process of smashing the white left and throwing it in the dustbin of history.



Progress is impossible as long as white leftists have the influence they do. They are the number one enemies of black people in America.

Everything for you is Right vs Left. That's all you see or can comprehend..Yet you consistently but very UNSUCCESSFULLY try to attack the intelligence of Moxie , Federerberg and myself..That's insecurity, that's typical of someone's who's IQ is probably less than his President.

 

[calitennis127]

Everything for you is Right vs Left. That's all you see or can comprehend..Yet you consistently but very UNSUCCESSFULLY try to attack the intelligence of Moxie , Federerberg and myself..That's insecurity, that's typical of someone's who's IQ is probably less than his President.

Everything for Democrats is left v. right. I am only doing what they do in reverse and it gets under your skin to see that approach to politics duplicated in the opposite direction.

All three of you are political fools. I stand by that completely and I would tell that to your face. Trust me, in my life I have told many Democrats I know right to their face that I think they are total morons.....you are no different.

More to the point of this conversation though.....the thinking of all three of you - but especially Moxie - is why race relations are so poor in this country. White leftists are the world's worst poison at this time. They are ISIS times 1000 and they have to be stopped. All they stand for in the end is vile, civilization-destroy barbarism, as you are seeing with the riots across the country.

 

[calitennis127]

I am not saying people should not be out there protesting,

I am. The people "protesting" are doing so on the basis of lies and misinformation about blacks being disproportionately mistreated by police when study after study after study have confirmed that is not the case. Also, virtually every leftist protest turns violent in a matter of minutes. So yes, I don't think those people should be protesting. They are barbaric cretins and as soon as they get in a large crowd violence is only moments away.

By the way, I completely agree with the way Colin Kaepernick protested.

Kaepernick protested on the basis of misinformation and lies. And his ideas planted the seed for the chaos and destruction you are witnessing right now. Kaepernick is an idiot.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Everything for Democrats is left v. right. I am only doing what they do in reverse and it gets under your skin to see that approach to politics duplicated in the opposite direction.

All three of you are political fools. I stand by that completely and I would tell that to your face. Trust me, in my life I have told many Democrats I know right to their face that I think they are total morons.....you are no different.

More to the point of this conversation though.....the thinking of all three of you - but especially Moxie - is why race relations are so poor in this country. White leftists are the world's worst poison at this time. They are ISIS times 1000 and they have to be stopped. All they stand for in the end is vile, civilization-destroy barbarism, as you are seeing with the riots across the country.

It doesn't get under my skin. It's the other way, I laughed at your rants ..I have a job, I have my own business, I have a home , I have a family I have friends and love ones . Cali. What do you have

 

[the AntiPusher]

My point is that the analysis I am seeing in the two videos uploaded and discussed here, are too emotional. I am not dismissing them, I think they are honest reactions, that need to be heard.But, as an analysis, because of the emotional part, they are limited and/or wrong. I do not doubt that there people out there making good, well thought analysis of this problem since the 60's, 70's, 80s... But when I do see you writing the word "subtle", I cannot help but remember that it is very easy to confuse subtlety for "unverified underlying assumption".

There is one giant elephant in the room that is simply being ignored (in this thread I mean). In all the talk above, when people say that the "social contract is not being observed" (which is by the way a very clever and concise way to put things), people are not referring to one single death, as tragic as it may be. If the social contract is failing, those things are happening in a mass scale. If they are happening in a mass scale, you then need to look at the data. In that regard, ANY conclusion reached without looking at the data is COMPLETELY void.

Now comes the important part. If people are so sure that the data will show what they think it will, fine, roll up your sleeves and show your point. Nobody (or almost nobody) would be able to argue then. Or the effort isn't worth the price? Of course it is.

Someone could say, "but oh, data is corrupt'" (in the US I frankly doubt it, it could be, up to a point, here in Brazil). Well, anyway, if you put your hands in the data you would be able to prove, or at the very least show huge inconsistencies, in the data, and that would prove that something "sistemic" is wrong. (by the way, I really think systemic racism or institutional racism are very idiotic concepts. If racism is not coded in words, it is then present on people, period. Get it out of the people, you get it out of the system. If people are not racist, and you show them race injustice, they will act. If they are racist, they will not. It is as simple as that.)

Or, in other words: We can understand the riots as the voice of the unheard, but we cannot rationalize it and use it as a political tool. The ones that can be heard can do better than that, are obliged to do better than that. We cannot forget that part.

You say "the ones that can be heard can do better than that"..
Mrzz.. it's the other way, " the white silence voice Can-do better than remain Silent."

 

[calitennis127]

This is true: Trump is no longer President.

Fauci was president for two months and that's what you asked for, idiot.

He's definitely abdicated control and responsibility for the pandemic to the governors.

Because some of the governors (i.e. the Republicans) are competent, while others (i.e. the Democrats) are incompetent and would not listen to him anyway.

 

[calitennis127]

It doesn't get under my skin. It's the other way, I laughed at your rants ..I have a job, I have my own business, I have a home , I have a family I have friends and love ones . Cali. What do you have

AntiPusher, one sign of your retardation - which is profound - is that you make an impersonal message board personal, constantly. You are always telling people to DM you and meet up with you and you are sharing things about yourself, as if it carries any weight. I can understand once in a while revealing something about yourself when it is germane, but you can't go more than 5 posts without challenging someone to meet up with you or telling them about how wonderful you are.

Let me break something to you.....I feel absolutely no need whatsoever to justify myself or anything about me to you. That's nice (assuming you're not lying) that you have a job, a business, a home, a family, and "love ones." That would just mean that you have a profile of the average Trump voter, whereas a huge chunk of the Democratic Party is poorly educated, unemployed, homeless, deracinated, and mentally imbalanced. Good for you.

But once again.....I do not feel any need to tell you about myself. So you are barking up the wrong tree. If you have so many personal relationships, then maybe you should go and engage them in real life instead of going on a message board and constantly imploring people to DM you and meet up with you and tell you about themselves. This is a message board where issues are discussed in the abstract, not a dating app.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Ever

You are COMPLETELY missing the point. I do not need to look at the data to know that racism exists, I need to look at the data to see how racism manifests itself. If people start from the conclusion, then no conversation is needed, and the only possible outcome is conflict.

I think the MLK quote is completely out of context. The times are different, the direct action needed back then was to CHANGE THE LAWS. The laws have been changed, now they need to be enforced. I am not saying people should not be out there protesting, I am only questioning which is the more effective way to protest. By the way, I completely agree with the way Colin Kaepernick protested. And I ask you this: what is more potent? People burning things five nights after the fact, or policemen calmly kneeling in sign of protest? Can I simply ask this question? Or I need to keep reading that my head is buried in the sand or BB is part of the problem?

BB and Mrzz Are you more upset with the riotings and burnings or the unarmed blacks that have been murdered.. eg Breonna Taylor murdered while sleeping in her bed because the police invaded the wrong Apt..

Please respond with the same energy that you have expressed your distain for large numbers of misguided protesting that has intentionally turned into riotings.

 

[the AntiPusher]

AntiPusher, one sign of your retardation - which is profound - is that you make an impersonal message board personal, constantly. You are always telling people to DM you and meet up with you and you are sharing things about yourself, as if it carries any weight. I can understand once in a while revealing something about yourself when it is germane, but you can't go more than 5 posts without challenging someone to meet up with you or telling them about how wonderful you are.

Let me break something to you.....I feel absolutely no need whatsoever to justify myself or anything about me to you. That's nice (assuming you're not lying) that you have a job, a business, a home, a family, and "love ones." That would just mean that you have a profile of the average Trump voter, whereas a huge chunk of the Democratic Party is poorly educated, unemployed, homeless, deracinated, and mentally imbalanced. Good for you.

But once again.....I do not feel any need to tell you about myself. So you are barking up the wrong tree. If you have so many personal relationships, then maybe you should go and engage them in real life instead of going on a message board and constantly imploring people to DM you and meet up with you and tell you about themselves. This is a message board where issues are discussed in the abstract, not a dating app.

You keep calling me retarded..My current boss is the richest man in the world..my ex boss was the former richest man in the world..I have met both who have attended my technical presentations to the world's top Retailer who has been my number one client for the past 15 years. So tell me should be offended by words from you ..You tell me genius

 

[calitennis127]

Ever

BB and Mrzz Are you more upset with the riotings and burnings or the unarmed blacks that have been murdered.. eg Breonna Taylor murdered while sleeping in her bed because the police invaded the wrong Apt..

Once again, you're a misinformed idiot. There were a measly 9 unarmed black people killed by cops in the USA in 2019.....and recently there were 10 black people killed in one weekend in Chicago. Far more white people than black people were killed by cops in 2017, 2018, and 2019 in the United States.

You're outraged on the basis of lies.

 

[Federberg]

According to government data Antifa is responsible 2% of political violence in America, the other 98% is due to far right groups. You would think from some of the comments here that it was the other way around....

And let's be clear, not only is there no evidence that Antifa has actually been involved in these riots. So far we have only the word of that fabricator of an AG who made the accusation. So if we're going to insist on facts, let's add that to the mix!

On another note, why on earth haven't the other policemen not been charged yet. There was a case a few years ago of a black man being executed in a Southern State who ran away when friends of opened fire. The guy wanted nothing to do with. But he was charged and executed for not doing anything to stop the crime. If that's the standard then how can these other cops not be charged??

 

[calitennis127]

You keep calling me retarded..My current boss is the richest man in the world..my ex boss was the former richest man in the world..I have met both who have attended my technical presentations to the world's top Retailer who has been my number one client for the past 15 years. So tell me should be offended by words from you ..You tell me genius

You just proved my point again.....you continuously make your posts on this board personal, when none of us has any way of verifying these claims or putting them in a personal context. Why do you feel the need to constantly brag about yourself to people you have never met and challenge them to meet you face to face?

If you want to challenge someone's views, fine. But your constant references to your personal life and challenging of other people about theirs comes off as pathetic after a while. You do this not just when you're pissed, but non-stop. Everything is about who is jealous of who or who has more popularity. You have the social mindset of a 9th grade female who is trying to fit in at high school.

 

[calitennis127]

According to government data Antifa is responsible 2% of political violence in America, the other 98% is due to far right groups. You would think from some of the comments here that it was the other way around....

Because the government is filled with leftist Democrats who doctor the numbers. Those numbers are not accurate.

And let's be clear, not only is there no evidence that Antifa has actually been involved in these riots.

You are absolutely clueless and your sources of information are terrible. There is a ton of footage online from Portland and Seattle of Antifa going berserk there. You are an absolute slave to CNN misinformation and propaganda.

 

[britbox]

According to government data Antifa is responsible 2% of political violence in America, the other 98% is due to far right groups. You would think from some of the comments here that it was the other way around....

And let's be clear, not only is there no evidence that Antifa has actually been involved in these riots. So far we have only the word of that fabricator of an AG who made the accusation. So if we're going to insist on facts, let's add that to the mix!

On another note, why on earth haven't the other policemen not been charged yet. There was a case a few years ago of a black man being executed in a Southern State who ran away when friends of opened fire. The guy wanted nothing to do with. But he was charged and executed for not doing anything to stop the crime. If that's the standard then how can these other cops not be charged??

The other cops should be charged. I'd hazard a guess they will be.

Your political violence figures don't make any sense. For instance, if you claim there was no evidence of Antifa at the riots (or many other riots), then are you categorising everything else as far-right.

 

[the AntiPusher]

You just proved my point again.....you continuously make your posts on this board personal, when none of us has any way of verifying these claims or putting them in a personal context. Why do you feel the need to constantly brag about yourself to people you have never met and challenge them to meet you face to face?

If you want to challenge someone's views, fine. But your constant references to your personal life and challenging of other people about theirs comes off as pathetic after a while. You do this not just when you're pissed, but non-stop. Everything is about who is jealous of who or who has more popularity. You have the social mindset of a 9th grade female who is trying to fit in at high school.

It's not bragging but confidence.. Do you see questioning others intelligence because their views differs from mind. No..that's you. That's Grown Man Grown Folk Talk. Not the mentally of a 9th grade girl trying to fit in.. Cali, everyones knows that AP doesn't give a damn if someone "likes" my posts..I have been consistently the same person.. I'm not the one who trying to fit in it must be your reflection in the mirror you are speaking of.