US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

Trump acts more like a rapper than a middle-class blue-collar white man

 

[calitennis127]

Lol.....you are only showing your cluelessness about hip hop culture (which, btw, is evident in your sports analysis). Your take on sports is as lily white as a Washington DC suburb filled with white Democrats working for the federal government. Have you seriously ever listened to rap in your life? I highly doubt it, unless it was something like social justice rap.

This song was made in 2014 before Trump was designated a "racist." This is one of many examples that could be provided of Trump getting praise from people in hip hop for his brash mentality and braggadocio. How many businessmen have rap songs made about them (not that I like the song below, lol) and then get praise from Ice Cube for their personal style?

Some testosterone-deficient, pseudo-intellectual white pussy like "Tom Nichols" would never even have such a thought:

Rae Sremmurd - Up Like Trump




Ice Cube Explains Donald Trump's Appeal to Americans

 

[calitennis127]

No one wants to murder old people, you wanker, except perhaps you, who said that we can sacrifice some oldies for the sake of the economy.

I'm not so sure about that.....I think there was very possibly an element of malevolence in what the states of New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Pennsylvania did in sending COVID patients into nursing homes. I would not at all put it past the Democratic leadership in those states to purposely allow large numbers of old people to die so they could pump up the death totals. Sending COVID patients into nursing homes is either indescribably stupid or wicked; there's not much room in between. The numbers when you compare the Democratic-led states to the Republican-led states speak for themselves (see below).

Btw, Governor Meatball never shuts up about his Italian heritage. How could he have possibly missed the dozens of news stories about old people dying in Italy when that episode is what scared the hell out of the entire world? Shouldn't Mr. "I Love Italian Family Dinners" have known about that?

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....you are only showing your cluelessness about hip hop culture (which, btw, is evident in your sports analysis). Your take on sports is as lily white as a Washington DC suburb filled with white Democrats working for the federal government.

This I just find personally hilarious. I grew up in DC, and basically everyone worked for the government. But what do you know about that, to make it a metaphor? It's certainly not as white as you make it or as "Democrat." You'd be surprised how agnostic mid-level bureaucrats are on politics. Because their jobs depend on that. And yet you accuse FBI/CIA and others of playing politics. Believe me, it doesn't work like that.

This song was made in 2014 before Trump was designated a "racist." This is one of many examples that could be provided of Trump getting praise from people in hip hop for his brash mentality and braggadocio. How many businessmen have rap songs made about them (not that I like the song below, lol) and then get praise from Ice Cube for their personal style?

Some testosterone-deficient, pseudo-intellectual white pussy like "Tom Nichols" would never even have such a thought:

Rae Sremmurd - Up Like Trump




Ice Cube Explains Donald Trump's Appeal to Americans

I don't owe you my own cred, but SE Washington, NOLA and NYC, it's not like I live in blanketed white American, so you can shove that. What makes you the mouthpiece for Black America?

As to the Ice Cube piece, he said this in your citation:

"Do I thinking he's going to do anything to help people that are struggling? No. Because he's a rich white guy. How can he relate? How can he relate to the small guy?" As to the Obama birth certificate he said: "He sounded crazy to me then." He also called him, "a guy who couldn't say that he was wrong."

So much for the Donald as Rapper. Please.

Oh, and the irony of the first clip is clearly lost on you.

 

[britbox]

I genuinely laughed when I just read this. You know the funny thing? I don't class you as one of the ones I was talking about. I like to think that you and I have always been crystal clear about where we stand. As have Cali and Moxie (as well as others). I don't see you as someone claiming to be apolitical, you know what you believe in, and I respect that. Mate... when have I ever claimed to be apolitical? Let me repeat it for you again if I haven't been clear over the last few years. I fucking loathe Trump, and I loathe how craven the GOP has become. I liked some elements of who the GOP claimed to be years ago, but they only seem to meet their purity tests when they're in opposition. They're not a patch on the Conservative Party over here.

So why the hell you think I would be sitting around ready to praise the guy for the once in a blue moon good deeds he does? Puh-leeze…

As an aside, when UFC 249 was shown - that's the first one since the lockdown - Dana had Trump say a few words at the start of the programme. I actually like it. I remembered that there was a time I was ok with Trump. It was when he was an entertainer. A thing for amusement. If he gets back to that me and him, we'll be good

I know you loathe Trump, but you were calling out another member for a bit of "Whataboutism" and that's not exactly a novel concept around here.

 

[Federberg]

I know you loathe Trump, but you were calling out another member for a bit of "Whataboutism" and that's not exactly a novel concept around here.

Not sure I did. That member claimed impartiality yet singled out a Biden gaffe, that he apologised for in rapid time. But had no issue with Trump comments that were at least as bad. I even agreed that the gaffe was horrific, although the characterisation was hyperbolic in my opinion. Any pretence of impartiality which is false should be called out. Which is what I did

 

[britbox]

Interesting developments between Twitter and the Whitehouse in recent days. Tech companies have more power to affect voting intentions than foreign bots.

 

[Moxie]

Interesting developments between Twitter and the Whitehouse in recent days. Tech companies have more power to affect voting intentions than foreign bots.

Trump is frankly a bit of a troll on Twitter. This was what he tweeted that they added a caveat to:

There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone.....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 26, 2020

There actually is no evidence of wide-spread abuse of the absentee ballot system. All of Oregon votes by mail-in. CA is only sending ballots to registered voters, btw, not just "anyone." Trump has blatantly stated that he's for voter suppression, because wide-spread voting would lead to "no Republicans being elected ever again."

Curious to know why you think that "tech companies have more power to affect voting intentions than foreign bots"? Particularly the "intentions" bit.

 

[britbox]

Trump is frankly a bit of a troll on Twitter. This was what he tweeted that they added a caveat to:

There actually is no evidence of wide-spread abuse of the absentee ballot system. All of Oregon votes by mail-in. CA is only sending ballots to registered voters, btw, not just "anyone." Trump has blatantly stated that he's for voter suppression, because wide-spread voting would lead to "no Republicans being elected ever again."

Curious to know why you think that "tech companies have more power to affect voting intentions than foreign bots"? Particularly the "intentions" bit.

Quite simple. They can remove whatever they feel like removing and channel a narrative in a certain direction.

Take Youtube for instance. Their policy is now to remove anything that conflicts with WHO guidance (as misinformation).

Roll back to January. The WHO is not always correct (i.e. Human Transmission of COVID-19). Science should always be challenged, otherwise we'd all still think the world was flat (I know a few still hold onto that theory).

Who fact checks the fact-checkers? Everyone's own truth is whatever they want it to be.

 

[britbox]

As for Trump's tweets, there have been various studies on voting, including one headed by Jimmy Carter that also highlighted absent voting (i.e. Mail votes) as being open to fraud. Twitter's head of integrity has actually tweeted that there are Nazis in the Whitehouse and donated to Hillary Clinton. Do you imagine him to be impartial?

 

[Moxie]

As for Trump's tweets, there have been various studies on voting, including one headed by Jimmy Carter that also highlighted absent voting (i.e. Mail votes) as being open to fraud. Twitter's head of integrity has actually tweeted that there are Nazis in the Whitehouse and donated to Hillary Clinton. Do you imagine him to be impartial?

This voter fraud thing is a bit of a MacGuffin, if you ask me. I don't think it has anything on voter suppression, which I find hugely egregious, and, by all accounts, historical and current, much more wide-spread. I don't know anything about Carter's feelings on mail-in votes, but if you have a citation, I'll read it. Gerrymandering of districts happens on both sides of the aisle, depending on who is in power, and I hate it. Just putting that out there. But you do know that there has been a historical and current suppression of the black vote in the US. As to voter fraud, let's look at what Trump had to say: "Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed." First of all, every one of those things is a federal crime. Second of all, that's a lot of work to gin up enough fake ballots to sway an election. Think of it: a person can't vote twice, so even if you steal their ballot and photocopy it, you have to invent a new name. And a new address. All hand-made, and hand-signed. What kind of an army of fraud would it take to make that many fake ballots and all of those fake names and addresses? Which won't pass the recount, if we need to clarify an election.

That's a lot of effort, as opposed to voter disenfranchisement. When Bush v Gore got decided by FL, a lot of black voters in many districts said they'd been kicked off the rolls for no reason. There is a huge push in the US to keep convicted felons disenfranchised for life. I don't have to tell you that that suppresses the black vote. There is a push for ID that tends to exclude people of color from voting. I'd ask you: which worries you more? That fake votes get registered, or that citizens who really want to vote don't get to?

 

[calitennis127]

I don't owe you my own cred, but SE Washington, NOLA and NYC, it's not like I live in blanketed white American, so you can shove that.

Lol.....one of the dirty secrets about America's major metropolitan areas - including the one I live in - is how much de facto segregation there is. For the most part, different races go their own way culturally and socially. And that is partially why blacks in major cities are so intensely anti-white despite living near white Democrats. They think that basically all whites are "racist" Republicans and hardly differentiate between white Republicans and white Democrats. A year ago I told a black acquaintance of mine that 95% of blacks mindlessly vote for one party. His retort was "95% of whites do the same thing." Despite living among white Democrats his whole life, he had no concept of the fact that roughly 35-40% of whites vote Democrat.

The point being.....whites in major urban areas are mostly isolated from blacks. Simply living in an urban area is not enough to get acquainted with non-white cultures. It takes more effort than saying "hey I'm from New York City and I believe in the melting pot. So you can shove that. Hehe."

What makes you the mouthpiece for Black America?

I never claimed to be. I just claimed to understand it far better than you do. Obviously in my case, there is a major gulf between myself and the majority of black America when it comes to certain political matters. But politics is not everything in life. There are also cultural and psychological dimensions to it.

As to the Ice Cube piece, he said this in your citation:
"Do I thinking he's going to do anything to help people that are struggling? No. Because he's a rich white guy. How can he relate? How can he relate to the small guy?"

How many rappers constantly boast about wealth and flaunt it? A lot.

Of course Ice Cube would say that.....that's been one of the dogmas of the Democratic Party for decades: that the elites of the Republican Party are cold-hearted white male racists who don't care about the minority poor. You also have to remember that that particular clip was from the heart of the 2016 campaign, when probably everyone in Ice Cube's social circle was critical of Trump, so he did not want to come off as a total Trump admirer.

But again, politics is not everything in life.

You conveniently omitted the first part of the clip, which was about temperament and had to do with my response to that trash article Federberg posted from The Atlantic:

"Donald Trump is what Americans love. Donald Trump is what Americans aspire to be: rich, powerful, do what you want to do, say what you want to say, be how you want to be. That's kind of been, like, the American dream. So he looks like a boss to everybody, and Americans love to have a boss, so, you know, that's his appeal to me."

That is the sense in which Trump is like a rapper - straight from none other than Ice Cube.

So much for the Donald as Rapper. Please.

Okay, then why don't you tell 50 Cent, who is from the city you reside in, exactly that? I merely hold his position, which is obvious to anyone who has listened to more than social justice rap. 50 Cent told Larry King exactly what I just stated on this board: that Trump has the mentality of a rapper. Do you think 50 might know, given that he is from southside Jamaica Queens and has done pretty well selling some albums over the years?

Go to 0:45:

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....one of the dirty secrets about America's major metropolitan areas - including the one I live in -

Which one would that be? Did you move?

 

[Moxie]

Quite simple. They can remove whatever they feel like removing and channel a narrative in a certain direction.

Take Youtube for instance. Their policy is now to remove anything that conflicts with WHO guidance (as misinformation).

Roll back to January. The WHO is not always correct (i.e. Human Transmission of COVID-19). Science should always be challenged, otherwise we'd all still think the world was flat (I know a few still hold onto that theory).

Who fact checks the fact-checkers? Everyone's own truth is whatever they want it to be.

Clearly Twitter is having a hard time figuring out where this all leads, as is/was the same with FB. Creepy times, when you just thought you were going to be a chat feed. Part B of the question is: what do the foreign bots have to say about the elections these days? And not just in the US. Doesn't that worry you? At least the social networks have some transparency. The nefarious integration of them by foreign entities and bots is going to be harder to spot and control.

 

[britbox]

Clearly Twitter is having a hard time figuring out where this all leads, as is/was the same with FB. Creepy times, when you just thought you were going to be a chat feed. Part B of the question is: what do the foreign bots have to say about the elections these days? And not just in the US. Doesn't that worry you? At least the social networks have some transparency. The nefarious integration of them by foreign entities and bots is going to be harder to spot and control.

Yeah, all manner of bots can be unleashed. Not just by countries, but by companies with their own vested interests. It'll probably get worse as Video and Voice AI evolves.

You'll have people on video appearing to say stuff and it won't be them, just a digital representation. Right now, we can just about distinguish between the fake and real. It's not far away when these things will be churned out at a finger press and seem very "real".

 

[britbox]

This George Floyd case is disturbing. I believe the cop has been fired, but he should face trial for that kind of policing.

I understand the riotous anger completely, but not the looting. Ransacking local stores for electrical goods always struck me as a strange side-effect of grief.

 

[calitennis127]

As for Trump's tweets, there have been various studies on voting, including one headed by Jimmy Carter that also highlighted absent voting (i.e. Mail votes) as being open to fraud. Twitter's head of integrity has actually tweeted that there are Nazis in the Whitehouse and donated to Hillary Clinton. Do you imagine him to be impartial?

Britbox, to be honest, you and Trump are only scratching the surface of the reality of how much cheating the Democrats have already engaged in and how much they intend to. Every voting initiative they advocate is intended to be a power grab. I assure they would be all for voter ID if they thought the "suppressed" voters were going to go Republican.

That said.....you may be interested in this recent story out of Philadelphia. The amount of voter fraud that occurs in cities such as Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis on behalf of the Democratic Party is probably beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

by Mensah M. Dean and Julie Shaw, Updated: May 21, 2020

From May 2020: South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

Domenick DeMuro, a Democratic ward leader, pleaded guilty to inflating vote counts for help candidates for judge.

www.inquirer.com

 

[calitennis127]

Part B of the question is: what do the foreign bots have to say about the elections these days? And not just in the US. Doesn't that worry you? At least the social networks have some transparency. The nefarious integration of them by foreign entities and bots is going to be harder to spot and control.

Again, this is all just a reference to the left-wing conspiracy theory that Russia "hacked" or influenced the 2016 election. It did not. That was simply an excuse made up by the Obama and Clinton camps for Hillary's loss. It also provided a pretext for harassing the Trump administration with law enforcement agencies.

Russia did not "hack" or interfere with the 2016 election. There is zero evidence of that. Wikileaks almost certainly did not get Hillary's emails from the Russian government, and the Crowdstrike CEO told Congress under oath that his company had found no evidence that it was Russia who gave Wikileaks Hillary's emails.

The only two countries I would worry about influencing American's elections are Ukraine and China, both on behalf of the Democratic Party. You may remember this story. The Democrats did in 2016 with Ukraine what they accused Trump of doing with Russia.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN

01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

www.politico.com

 

[Moxie]

This George Floyd case is disturbing. I believe the cop has been fired, but he should face trial for that kind of policing.

I understand the riotous anger completely, but not the looting. Ransacking local stores for electrical goods always struck me as a strange side-effect of grief.

Institutional violence against people engenders violence as a reaction. You ask why it results in acting against their own self-interest, violence and looting in their own community. I think this is a lack of empathy for the unempowered, who tend to extract violence on themselves out of frustration. That's a classic response of the abused. Where else do they have to act out, since they get no recompense from the status quo? Sure, it's irrational, but this keeps on happening, this killing of black men by cops. Peaceful protest doesn't work. Colin Kaepernek got treated like a pariah for trying to make a peaceful protest out of it. Women who have been sexually abuse often resort to anorexia, bulimia, and cutting themselves. Turning it inward. I'm sure you can find some empathy for the frustration of an underclass group in the face of this.

 

[calitennis127]

Institutional violence against people engenders violence as a reaction.

Look at the actual facts. Far more white people than black people have died from police shootings in recent years (and the numbers for both races are pretty low given the population size of the USA). You just hardly hear about those incidents:

You ask why it results in acting against their own self-interest, violence and looting in their own community. I think this is a lack of empathy for the unempowered, who tend to extract violence on themselves out of frustration. That's a classic response of the abused.

LOL.....so now you don’t care about “social distancing” all of a sudden? What happened to your handwringing over that?