US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

Here's an article on that. It's from that rag the NY Times, but I didn't have time to see what Alex Jones had to say on the subject, so it'll have to do.

Right, because Alex Jones represents the entirety of right-wing media. That's the only alternative to getting information from The New York Times and Washington Post.

And bigotry only resides on the right. Sure.

In case you missed it, I posted this article yesterday from The Daily Caller - not Alex Jones - which actually cited a report from The New York Times:

"New York City added nearly 4,000 people who never tested positive for the coronavirus to its death toll Tuesday, bringing coronavirus-related deaths in the city to around 10,000 people.

The city decided to add 3,700 people to its death tolls, who they “presumed” to have died from the virus, according to a report from The New York Times. The additions increased the death toll in the U.S. by 17%, according to the Times report, and included people who were suffering from symptoms of the virus, such as intense coughing and a fever."

Did you have the courtesy to address that?

No. Out of bigotry you simply dismiss any dissent as "Alex Jones" propaganda.

 

[calitennis127]

This post is legitimately someone with an IQ of 80 who has zero grasp over logic.

Says the mental handicap with a vocabulary of a 3rd grader, who hilariously makes fun of how Trump and Biden speak. At least they both have a vocabulary of more than 45 words, unlike you, the Lebanese Elmer Fudd.

As for the underlying point I was making, it is quite eloquently laid out in this New York Times column. (See Moxie? Unlike you I can read articles from publications with views opposing my own.) Does this Yale doctor also have an IQ of 80 because he is simply pointing out what those tweet videos illustrated so vividly?

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone?
Except for treating Covid-19, many hospitals seem to be eerily quiet.

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? (Published 2020)

Except for treating Covid-19, many hospitals seem to be eerily quiet.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Moxie]

Right, because Alex Jones represents the entirety of right-wing media. That's the only alternative to getting information from The New York Times and Washington Post.

And bigotry only resides on the right. Sure.

In case you missed it, I posted this article yesterday from The Daily Caller - not Alex Jones - which actually cited a report from The New York Times:

"New York City added nearly 4,000 people who never tested positive for the coronavirus to its death toll Tuesday, bringing coronavirus-related deaths in the city to around 10,000 people.

The city decided to add 3,700 people to its death tolls, who they “presumed” to have died from the virus, according to a report from The New York Times. The additions increased the death toll in the U.S. by 17%, according to the Times report, and included people who were suffering from symptoms of the virus, such as intense coughing and a fever."

Did you have the courtesy to address that?

No. Out of bigotry you simply dismiss any dissent as "Alex Jones" propaganda.

Jeepers, you cannot take a joke. I thought the Alex Jones reference was outrageous enough to be obvious. But you missed my point in the post. And the quote above misses it too. As I said, we've discussed the fact that attributions of deaths specifically to CV 19 will have to be better sorted out later. (You may have read that there is a dearth of tests in most of the country, including NY.) However, the point is that nearly twice as many people have died - of all causes - as died in the same period last year. So there is something going on.

As to the "courtesy to address" everything you post? No one has that kind of time, with all the stuff you post.

 

[calitennis127]

As to the "courtesy to address" everything you post? No one has that kind of time, with all the stuff you post.

Yet you continually scold me for supposedly ignoring contents of your posts.

 

[Moxie]

Yet you continually scold me for supposedly ignoring contents of your posts.

Only when I respond to you directly and you ignore the post, or ignore the parts you have no response to. I don't assume that everyone reads stuff I post for general consumption.

 

[calitennis127]

I am going to have to partially take back what I have been arguing to Federberg and Moxie about Russian collusion.....it looks like Russian disinformation did meddle in our democracy, except it was slanted against Trump, not in his favor. New footnotes released today from a DOJ report are a strong indication of this.

“The footnotes, released by Sens. Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson on Wednesday, provide further indications that Russian operatives fed disinformation to Steele that ended up in his infamous anti-Trump dossier.”

Chuck Ross

Today's entertainment gossip and chatter

dailycaller.com

 

[calitennis127]

Only when I respond to you directly and you ignore the post, or ignore the parts you have no response to.

Lol.....that is precisely what I did by asking why you did not respond to the Daily Caller article (which cited the sacred NYT) yesterday about amplified death totals in New York, and you reacted like a grouchy grandpa who just woke up from a nap.

Stop being so hypocritical.

Anyhow, Sweden still has a very small number of cases and it has been able to keep the cases low without annihilating the employment prospects of millions of its people. Saying it has slightly more cases than its neighbors is completely trivial. Compared to the rest of the world it stands up very well. You should look at the full global context.

Speaking of which.....take a look at Hong Kong, which re-opened its economy 23 days ago and has not had a single COVID death since then, with the number of cases declining to boot. Sorry to bring that news to you. If only Hong Kong had Dr. Fauci to keep everyone at home for the next 3 months!

Why do you have to hate on Hong Kong’s success Moxie? It seems that Democrats can’t stop piling on Hong Kong. First the NBA sided with China over Hong Kong, and now Hong Kong’s success in combating the coronavirus is being belittled. Poor Hong Kong.

 

[Moxie]

Dude, I have said nothing about Hong Kong. And I have heard no one belittling their success. What do you say we stop fighting about all this and just discuss it. From what I understand, HK got right on top of it, locked down hard, so they had relatively few cases, and have been able to open back up. That's great. Smaller countries have less to deal with than the US, you have to say. It's an interesting choice that Sweden has made, and perhaps they can control things, in relative terms, as they are a fairly isolated country, too. But you have to think their neighboring countries who have made a different choice won't want to be having Swedes come in, at the moment. All choices have a knock-on effect.

In the US, we're not as willing to jump to the kind of invasion of privacy that South Korea used, for example, of basically keeping an eye on everyone with an app. Do you think that would fly here? I don't. And I don't disagree with you completely that some states can handle it differently than NY is. But we are 48 contiguous states, and therefore there needs to be a coherent policy from the Fed, so that neighboring states don't endanger each other due to wildly conflicting policies. This is interesting in terms of what states are restricting travel, and how. Makes sense, for the most part.

 

[Moxie]

Here's one thing that is pissing me off: celebrities and politicians getting tested when they are asymptomatic, and the rest of us can't get a test, because they are in short supply. Example: News report that George Stephanapoulus tested positive for Covid-19. His wife has it, (though it seems a mild case,) and he got tested and tested positive. No symptoms. If his wife has it, can't we assume that he's positive and that he should quarantine? If we're unsure of the numbers, and we have limited tests, should we not stop testing the famous people just because they're famous?

 

[britbox]

Here's one thing that is pissing me off: celebrities and politicians getting tested when they are asymptomatic, and the rest of us can't get a test, because they are in short supply. Example: News report that George Stephanapoulus tested positive for Covid-19. His wife has it, (though it seems a mild case,) and he got tested and tested positive. No symptoms. If his wife has it, can't we assume that he's positive and that he should quarantine? If we're unsure of the numbers, and we have limited tests, should we not stop testing the famous people just because they're famous?

Valid points. I think at one point in the early days of the breakout, that the Utah Jazz basketball team used the majority of the tests available in the entire state (at the time). Hardly a high-risk group either.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Yesterday, an American died every 35 seconds of Coronavirus. Now some of course, "aren't convinced" but these are the same people who think JR Smith is the best player in the NBA (for reference, he was a free agent all year because no team would actually sign him). So, yeah.

 

[brokenshoelace]

By the way, Donald Trump is going to consult with Dana White and Vince McMahon, among others. Now as someone who covered MMA for a significant portion of my life, let me tell you something, that the faith of American is in any way influenced by Dana White and Vince fucking McMahon, is just...wow.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You can't answer these questions because you know nothing about these topics. What's becoming clearer by the day with these conversations is that you are low-information and seething with hateful bigotry toward certain targets. My posts have gotten you to reveal your true colors: low knowledge level, rage at dissent, and pure hate. Ultimately that's your profile.

It's truly amazing that someone can be so fucking delusional that they think another person not taking them seriously is indicative of anything other than just that.

I don't take you seriously because your opinions on the 3 topics we've discussed are literally that of an idiot. Not using it as an insult, but an honest-to-goodness description.

You think Nalbandian and JR Smith are the most talented in their respective sports, and that Trump is being negatively framed in literally every instance of incompetence and/or criminal activity.

This dude honestly thinks my unwillingness to engage in a legitimate conversation about actual consequential issues is for any other reason than the fact that he's a joke. My man, you've literally been proven to be a moron when it came to every opinion you felt strongly about: Trump, Coronavirus, Nalbandian, JR Smith, Nadal, etc... and not just wrong, but pantheon-level clueless.

Your method of wanting to discuss certain issues is "name me a US foreign policy figure." My way of discussing this is: "X amount of innocents have died due to a needless US War, so eat shit and shut the fuck up." You literally claimed they did in the name of democracy. That you're too dumb to realize how outrageously ridiculous this claim is isn't my fault. I'm neither responsible for your genes, education nor upbringing. Others are to blame for that. So again, eat shit and shut the fuck up. You'll have your meltdowns like your orange president, and that's fine, but remember, eat shit, because reality is more or less forcing you to.

So no, I simply look at you as a racist moron. The fact that I don't bite and discuss these issues and continue to call you an idiot is simply by choice. And that's all I'll do, because literally every day continues to prove how wrong you are about all these topics. You'll still provide biased information that you claim supports your case, and reality will continue to show how much of an idiot you are.

And for good measure here it is one more time: You're a homophobic bigot who everyone here thinks is stupid. So you're either that or a misunderstood visionary.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Let me say I find it utterly hilarious how now Cali points out to the way other countries have handled the Coronavirus as proof of anything, but god forbid the same can be done for gun control.

You see, there is no need into specifics, articles, studies, stats, etc... when you can just poke a major hole in an argument by pointing out basic logic. The fact that you're too cognitively challenged to grasp this isn't on me.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Trump has halted US funding to WHO in the middle of a global pandemic.

Meanwhile, KellyAnne Conway thinks it's called Covid-19 because it's the 19th version of the virus as if it's an iOS update. Yup, the country is in safe hands. Godspeed.

 

[Federberg]

I'm endlessly amused by the excusing making for this President, but surely even some of his supporters have to recognise that he is not doing a good job on this thing. Can we all at least agree that as President he should be:

(1) helping the States to coordinate
(2) facilitating the ramping up of testing nationally
(3) facilitating the production of PPE

he's doing none of these things. Getting GE to make ventilators is only a small part of what's needed. Can we agree on that?

He is so manifestly incompetent I'm stunned. Don't get me wrong, I knew the guy was a fraud. I knew he personally wasn't a capable person (or a billionaire). But I never knew that he would stand in the way of, and feel threatened by, anyone competent. I keep waiting for someone to tell me it's all a big April Fools joke, but it isn't..

 

[britbox]

I'm endlessly amused by the excusing making for this President, but surely even some of his supporters have to recognise that he is not doing a good job on this thing. Can we all at least agree that as President he should be:

(1) helping the States to coordinate
(2) facilitating the ramping up of testing nationally
(3) facilitating the production of PPE

he's doing none of these things. Getting GE to make ventilators is only a small part of what's needed. Can we agree on that?

He is so manifestly incompetent I'm stunned. Don't get me wrong, I knew the guy was a fraud. I knew he personally wasn't a capable person (or a billionaire). But I never knew that he would stand in the way of, and feel threatened by, anyone competent. I keep waiting for someone to tell me it's all a big April Fools joke, but it isn't..

This is part of the problem with Trump "reporting"... and its been going on ever since he took office. It's probably destroyed the likes of CNN as a credible, reliable arbiter of fact or truth where politics is involved. The media has tons of reliable material to work with, yet spends too much time focusing on random bullshit.

On your points...

(1) the point is fairly ambiguous. Trump did say that the States should stop competing with one another for ventilators and PPE and come to Federal for that role. If that wasn't the consideration you were looking at then qualify the statement and explain how you measure it.
(2) The ramping up of testing has been significant. Nearly 3.3m tests (highest in the world) and this has rocketed over the last 2 weeks.
(3) PPE production has been in overdrive. The number of US equipment being produced is rising exponentially.

If you disagree, show me that testing has not been ramped up and the production of PPE isn't happening. Other than that, it's an opinion not rooted in fact.

The main point here is that there is a ton of ammunition to attack Trump with, without the need to just make stuff up or completely distort facts. Intentional or not.

 

[britbox]

Call me cynical, but is this Lieawatha's VP running-mate pitch?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

 

[calitennis127]

Trump has halted US funding to WHO in the middle of a global pandemic.

Brilliant move. The WHO has been complicit in China's cover-up of the pandemic's outbreak. It's not Trump's fault that you don't know anything about Bruce Aylward, "Dr." Tedros, or the WHO's corrupt relationship with China.